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#1 Staff DERebecca

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:14 PM

What to expect with Damage 2.0: or:

 

"What to expect when you're expecting Damage 2.0" or

"A Fish called Damage 2.0" or

"How I learned to stop worrying and Love Damage 2.0" or

"Much ado about Damage 2.0" or

 

"It's the Grineer Damage 2.0!"

 

Coming up with a clever name is hard! But, information in this post is relevant to all Tenno. Let's get started, shall we?

 

Read this post to learn about the coming Damage 2.0 changes in Update 11.

This new damage system introduces a number of new terms. This post will take you through introducing and explaining these terms, then elaborating on what they mean for combat. Keep in mind that things are subject to change, that some terms may be placeholder.

 

Physical Damage:

Impact
Puncture
Slash

 

Every weapon in the game is made up of a combination of these three damage types. The overall damage of any given weapon is the sum of Impact, Puncture, and Slash damage. Weapons will exhibit a variety of combinations on the Impact, Puncture, and Slash damage spectrum. Mods will affect damage types as decided by the player by their loadout.

 

In short, Weapon Damage = (Impact + Puncture + Slash)

 

Real-life Firearm Metaphor: Impact=Slug; Puncture=Armor Piercing; Slash=Hollow-point. When assigning physical damage aspects to weapons we avoid making them 'pure' (100% in one direction). This ensures you can damage all enemies in the game.

 

Elemental Damage:

In addition to the 3 base damage types, Elemental Damage can be applied on top of a weapon’s base damage depending on what Elemental Mods are applied. For some rare weapons, elemental damage is all they have.

There are four primary Elemental Damage types:

Heat
Cold
Electric
Toxin

 

Elemental Damage can be applied alone but if you combine primary elements they create new combined elemental damage types! This opens up new possibilities, reduces 'rainbow build' problems and reduces some of the confusing effects like 'frozen guy is on fire'.

 

Combined Elemental Types:

To create these combined elements requires mixing two primary elements together:

                Blast (Fire + Cold)

                Gas (Fire + Toxin)

                Radiation (Fire + Electricity)

                Magnetic (Cold + Electricity)

                Viral (Cold + Toxin)

                Corrosive (Electricity + Toxin)

 

Elemental Damage is applied in addition to a weapon’s physical damage types.

Weapon Damage = (Impact + Puncture + Slash) + (Elemental).

 

Elemental Damage Hierarchy & Combining Elementals

Elemental damage combinations are made by following a strict order.

 

Fire, Cold, Electric, Toxin.

As an example: If you want Fire damage + Magnetic damage (Cold + Electricity), you will need to split it between weapons because when a Fire Mod enters the mod loadout any other elementals will combine with it as it is first in the hierarchy.

 

Elemental Damage & Combining Elements: CHANGES!

 

After reviewing this thread and working things out with combinations, we have changes to report to Elemental Combinations. Elemental combinations will no longer be based on a predetermined elemental hierarchy, but instead a MOD PLACEMENT hierarchy.

 

This hierarchy is from closest to top left (first to be considered) to closest to bottom right (last to be considered) on the Mod Layout.

 

If you place Cold, Toxin, Fire, and, Electric, in that order from top left to bottom right, you will get:

(Cold + Toxin) and (Electric + Fire).
 

 

Status Effects ('Procs')

All damage types have a chance to inflict a status on the target – including you!

Impact: Knockback
Puncture: Weakened (reduced damage output)
Slash: Bleed (health reduced over time, healing blocked)

Fire: Ignited (fire damage over time)
Cold: Slowed
Electric: Chain Electricity Damage
Toxin: Poison Damage over time to health.

Blast: Stun
Gas: Poison in area
Radiation: Confusion (difficulties targeting)
Magnetic: Shield reduction
Viral: Sickened
Corrosive: Armor Damage

 

UI Representation

The UI will represent all these damage stats numerically. Attached are screenshots of what you can expect to see with Damage 2.0.

 

 

Exhibit 1: 3 images that show the Physical Damage types represented in the UI, and the added Heat damage after a Heated Charge is added.

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Exhibit 2: 2 Images that show the impact of a No-Return mod on Puncture Damage

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Exhibit 3: 2 images that show the impact of an Elemental Damage combination.

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Enemy Levels

Enemy levels now fall in a more compressed scale. Level 1 enemies are still the easiest, but the difficulty of a Level 40 enemy in Damage 2.0 will be comparable to a Level 100 enemy in Damage 1.0. Infinite mission types will still feature ever increasing enemy levels. Enemies will be wielding weapons that can inflict different types of damage and Procs on the Tenno, meaning the difficulty will come from a combination of their loadouts and their level.

 

Know your enemy.

Enemies will react to damage types differently. Begin hunting your enemies to discover the best way to approach different faction and enemies. With your Primary, Secondary, and Melee weapon, you will be able to take on the fiercest foes with many different combinations.

 

Significance of Change
Damage 2.0 is a very significant change to Warframe. We are standing by to receive feedback and experiences on this new Damage system when it is released.

 

Thank you for reading, everyone!


Edited by DERebecca, 20 November 2013 - 03:19 PM.
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#2 Flatline22

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

So much to absorb and learn, very excited to test out the new damage system when it comes out. Now we only need a disruptor elemental  to show those ancients just how annoying it is to be on the receiving end. Loving the new Lotus look!


Edited by Flatline22, 19 November 2013 - 03:30 PM.

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#3 TheSeannachaidh

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:21 PM

Hahah brilliant titles :)


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#4 Letter13

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:22 PM

a.k.a. "50 Shades of Damage 2.0"


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#5 ItsNexusDecay

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:22 PM

yay


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#6 sedu13

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:23 PM

Yeeeeeeeeeeeees


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#7 Geneticfate

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:24 PM

Glad we got more information on this.


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#8 NightmareT12

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:24 PM

Oh my god, I believe I'm going to be crazily trying to suit myself to/testing the new Elemental states...

 

Thanks for the update Rebecca, and glad to see the new Lotus already here :D


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#9 Feenecks

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:25 PM

Looks awesome! Just call it the "Makes Armour Piercing Mods Not Required Update".


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#10 NetSlayer

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:26 PM

Knowledge is Power! ^^


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#11 NightBorz

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:26 PM

Well, we are still waiting for U11 *_*


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#12 KARMA2605

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:27 PM

Nice explanation, also wonderful to see that each weapon is getting a "proc chance".  I'd imagine mods will be introduced to take more advantage of that, possibly of the combined elemental types as well.


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#13 KF5AQX

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:27 PM

This looks very, very promising. I had my doubts, but DE, you proved me wrong. Keep it up, and I'll be a happy man.


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#14 Shehriazad

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:27 PM

But the real question is....does it blend?


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#15 GaleRoar

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:27 PM

New info is always good. I'm going to have a lot of fun with these new elements.

Edited by GaleRoar, 19 November 2013 - 03:34 PM.

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#16 Rajko

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

Those UI elements look very clear, I'm happy to see that.

 

Will Damage 2.0 affect Warframe Powers as well?  I.E. will electrical hits from Volt's Shock and Overload have a chance to proc electrical chains?


Edited by Rajko, 19 November 2013 - 03:44 PM.

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#17 Generalthree

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

This is great! None shall live through their own elements! Noobs shall fall from their gas clouds without even reaching rank 4!

Otherwise, I'll just be over here sticking to the old tactic...

RAINBOW BUILD EXPERIMENTATION

Edited by Generalthree, 19 November 2013 - 06:14 PM.

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#18 blackflashcannon

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

I... Cant... Wait


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#19 Gamecrazed1

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

I cannot tell you how much relief this gives me to have a guide (of sorts) about this damage 2.0. This just makes me look forward to it more (well, assuming that by "level 40 is comparable to level 100 now" you don't mean "bullet sponge" but instead you mean the enemies pose more of a threat due to their new damage output.) Now, I only hope that we are soon to be reaching this "corner" the devs like to place their goody bags around.


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#20 OldSnakeMGS4

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:29 PM

Now - when is it coming out =P ?


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