SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) A brief summary of discussions so far and my Arguments for Transhumanism in the Tenno. The Warframe is not a machine, but perhaps a biological, mechanical construct that houses the ‘essence’ of the Tenno. This means that the Warframe can bleed, stumble, fall whatever, but is also capable of superhuman feats of strength, power and agility that are impossible for the human body to perform without full replacement augmentations. [CONFIRMED] The Tenno in rescue missions are perhaps diplomats or some other political member of the Tenno race. Although they may appear human, the body could be just as much a construct used for meeting other, more physical races and provide the illusion of similarity. They sure don’t act like masters of Gun and Blade, even without Warframe armor! Remember, the Devs have said that what lies below the armor is not set in stone. [ARGUABLY CONFIRMED - They are Origin System residents, not Tenno] The human body is incapable of performing the kinds of feats used by the Tenno on a daily basis. Even if it were a super-powered suit, the joints, musculature and bone structure of a vanilla human inside would be liquefied after a few weeks. [CONFIRMED] Matter to energy conversion has been confirmed in the Capture missions, turning the prisoner into energy and essentially absorbing it. This means that essentially digitizing a consciousness for interrogation is possible; eluding that such a process could be used by the Tenno. [ARGUABLY CONFIRMED - The Tenno use Transference, a form of instant communication] We all agree that the races share a common ancestor in Humanity! [UNCONFIRMED - but assumed] This would be the simplest explanation for the lack of a gender swap, while having several Warframes of the same type in one ‘cell’ of Tenno. The Warframe is perhaps designed with little room for leeway change, so the Tenno ‘re-sleeve’ themselves into the new Warframe when needed. Essentially meaning that perhaps the Tenno have no ‘gender’ per se. (As Scott mentioned in the Dev stream.) [CONFIRMED] The Warframes are not remote controlled, as the distanced needed to transmit data would not allow for a 1-to-1 connection. Tenno would need to physically possess the suit to make sure there is no movement lag. This also brings up the possibility of death for the Tenno. Without a home for their essence (digital or otherwise) the mind would die. [DEBUNKED - Transference does not require possession] I do not believe an AI would be able to control a Warframe. I also do not think that it would be a desirable use of their chosen weapons. Tenno are like Samurai in my view; the Warframe may be a construct or piece of equipment, but it is treated with the same reverence as their Skana (which is stated to be a pillar of their training) and used with great care and distinction. It is their physical ‘face’ and as such must be kept pure. [DEBUNKED - Multiple instances of Warframes controlled by non-Tenno] Please note that some of the items listed in my first post have been revised over several pages of discussion! Please read the back-and-forth between the posters if you plan to respond! --------------------------------------------------------------- ORIGNIAL POST: So when talking about the Tenno, I was previously under the impression that the Tenno were an organic race of beings who may have become so indoctrinated in their warrior mindset that they were akin to monks and ninja. Individual identity was not so important, so they called themselves by their given Warframe names – their outer faces if you will. Perhaps the Lotus was a controlling faction of beings, using the Tenno as their trigger men / women, supporting them because they themselves lacked military might. Recently, a lot of things did not add up to that conclusion. The way the Lotus refers to herself, or the things said by bosses as they are cussing you out. Small cracks appeared in my theory of an organic race wearing a suit, but started leaning to something much more prophetic. In short it goes like this; The Tenno is a Transhumanist Race, living in a state of either digital or energy-based life. Let us start with the Warframes themselves. The basics of their construction revolve around three components; the helmet, the systems and the chassis. The Helmet is pretty straight-forward in its explanation. The head is usually the most complex part of a body and generally contains a whole bunch of sensory organs / equipment. The systems are also another separate component, perhaps emulating a central nervous system. On top of that, you then have a chassis. The word chassis is the name for the underlying framework for a man-made object to function, not specifically a suit exterior or skin. All of the words seem to point towards a construct, rather than anything ‘organic’ involved, even though the plating on the Warframe looks almost like flesh and bone. If it were only a suit of armor, then why not call it such? The recent call of gender has also made me think about the nature of the ‘Frame itself. The Devs (during the Q&A livestream) have hinted that there is perhaps no such things as ‘gender’ in the Warframe world. However the bosses call your character by name, then mentions how cowardly you act when you hide behind your ‘X’ Warframe. This would imply that either the Tenno are capable of gender swapping, or in fact, the ‘Frames are indeed constructs that are specifically made, and the Tenno somehow pilot these ‘Frames into battle. There is also a lot of talk from bosses that may seem like simple insults, but when approaching the subject from a different angle, things start to make sense. One boss states that you are a ‘Walking Tomb’. Perhaps it is a simple insult to say that the Tenno is already dead, but then why not say that? The use of the word tomb implies something inanimate; it is a hollow, cold place to store the dead. It hints that the contents may be nothing but shades and ghosts. The Corpus is known to take Tenno bodies and Cryopods and study them for the secrets of the Orokin. It is a technology alien to them and given their penchant for ritual and faith, perhaps it is because the contents of the body cannot be explained by their science and ritualism is often associated with a faithful reverence for something ethereal. It is – after all - implied that the Corpus engage in some kind of religious science to use and study Orokin technology. The Grineer are envious of the Tenno, but it is never stated why. It is known that the Grineer are the results of years of cloning and genetic degradation. They discovered and reactivated the cloning technologies of old, long abandoned by the Orokin. What if the Orokin abandoned those technologies because they had found an even better way to immortalize themselves? Free of the horrors of the Technocyte plague they created and leaving behind physical, mortal weakness to disease and sickness? The Grineer, left behind as a mortal military force would feel nothing but anger for the people who would leave them behind. Having to scrape together old technology and clone themselves into extinction would cause any mind to go on a genocidal binge of revenge, especially when a system-wide plague – created by the same people who abandoned them - was consuming whole sectors of the solar system. It is my suspicion that the Orokin did not die out, but in fact became something completely different: a new race of transhuman creature called the Tenno. Of course in many ways, both the Grineer and Corpus are removed from the origin of humanity, less so with the Corpus perhaps with their use of proxies, but the Grineer became the evolutional dead end. The game seems to support these ideas with both imagery and action. The White Tower (as it has been recently called) seems more like the loading program from The Matrix. Tests are staged here and there is even talk of some kind of Tenno dojo coming to place within these Orokin towers. If these structures were in fact residences, the ability to live in them would be hard to maintain. I think Orokin towers are nothing more than Tenno nodes and server farms. The essences of the Tenno live within these towers, gathering, training and living in a virtual environment that allows them to communicate, train and share information. Cells of Tenno are grouped into attack teams, all of them using their own Warframe Proxies to download into, perform their missions and then return to the Orokin outposts. Even the Lotus seems to be more like a control and organizational system assigned (perhaps built) by the Tenno to act as caretakers, operatives and information gatherers. Yes. I am saying DERebecca is an AI. (Or at least her character is!) Speaking of The Lotus, let’s talk about how she hints at a Transhumanist state. The big hitter for me is that when you are doing a mobile defense mission, one of the objectives is to plug a data mass into the machine then guard it. The Lotus prompts you to ‘Put me into the Machine’ rather than saying, ‘connect me’ or ‘insert the connection program’ or something. The phrasing seems oddly specific. In fact, this also makes sense when she states ‘The Lotus will be pleased’ when completing a mission. The Lotus could be the overhead AI that controls, organizes and strategizes; a defense computer if you will. Directing the Tenno and making sure that the Tenno rise again as a race seems like the kind of programming left behind by the people who created it; The Orokin. When all of the Tenno were forced into exile (supposedly by Grineer military action) whole towers were probably destroyed, losing thousands of individual Tenno essences. How do you hide? Put the Tenno in proxies and freeze them in deep space. The Lotus would watch, assess the situation and when the time was right, reactivate the Tenno and begin the process of rebuilding. Another contributing factor is that you essentially atomize the captured corpus operative on the ship missions. After killing him, your character seems to break them down into an energy-like state and suck them into the palm of the Warframe. No sooner have you done so, the Lotus states ‘The prisoner has been transported successfully.’ (Or something like that. I’m paraphrasing.) How is it that a person turned into energy matter after being cut down can be interrogated? By digitizing a soul, the Tenno could potentially tear it apart like a program. I am also sure the process is incredibly painful. I have more, but I want to hear what you guys think! Edited December 20, 2021 by SilverBones Updating after all these years - Post New War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapp3r Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I feel I can't do your essay justice with a few words, but it certainly fits. I guess it gives us a sensible reason why the tenno can switch gender between warframes. Nice theory, I'm eager to see if you're correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I disagree, and I am backing it up with these taunts: Lech Krill: "Beneath those suits exists flesh. Flesh bleeds. Player bleeds." Phorid: (Revoke the frailities of flesh. Let us in.) (Through the coalescence of flesh and universal will, we will exist as one.) (Tenuous is your human spirit, Player. Let us be your salvation.) Ruk also mentions Grineer perfection which is achieved by shedding of flesh, and that flesh is flaw. If anything i would say that Grineer are trying to achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Given that explanation the hate that the grineer has makes sense. Ever study history? Throughout history mankind has created religions based on the end result of "ever lasting life" Maybe the end result of whatever the Tenno did gave them ever lasting life in a similar fashion the Egyptians believed in placing their souls in status called the Ka. Maybe Ka from Egypt and Warframe from Tenno are the exact same thing. They live till whatever it is they are stored in is destroyed or all the objects they can go back to are destroyed. Simply put the Grinneer hate Tenno because they achieved ever lasting life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I disagree, and I am backing it up with these taunts: Lech Krill: "Beneath those suits exists flesh. Flesh bleeds. Player bleeds." Phorid: (Revoke the frailities of flesh. Let us in.) (Through the coalescence of flesh and universal will, we will exist as one.) (Tenuous is your human spirit, Player. Let us be your salvation.) Ruk also mentions Grineer perfection which is achieved by shedding of flesh, and that flesh is flaw. If anything i would say that Grineer are trying to achieve that. We still have no idea what the suits are really made of... maybe the suits when finished acctually have flesh in them like perfect flesh. Similar the Promise in christian religion that in the end those who follow God will be reborn with a perfect body. Maybe these warframes are a perfect body? and somehow have some unatural artifical flesh? that bleeds... something... then again when you die you dont bleed like the enemies do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealgaire Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) Sorry Silverbones. You've obviously put a lot of thought into this, but the warframes have explicitly been referred to as suits by Steve on multiple occasions. Check out the first dev diary: I think the Tenno are supposed to be kind of like the Bene Gesserit from Dune. They're humans, but they've developed almost perfect control of their bodies and minds through advanced training techniques. What if use of the warframes required this high level of physical and mental development that can only be acquired through ancient, esoteric techniques passed on from the Orokin era? That might explain why noone but the Tenno can use the warframes. Check out this overview of the Bene Gesserits prana-bindu training and tell me that doesn't fit the Tenno. Except the "sexual talents" part maybe (though future warframes might change that!) http://en.wikipedia....he_weirding_way People are overthinking the gender thing. The devs seem to want to give each warframe a distinct feel. That doesn't necessarily mean they're a unique character. The warframes might be more like archetypes, and Tenno choose which one they use based on their personalities, skills, and apparently gender. It would be cool if the Tenno had to go on some kind of "vision quest" where they fasted and meditated in isolation until it seemed like one of the warframes chose them. Think totem animals in Native American folklore. Edited March 1, 2013 by Sealgaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Err... what? Tenno arent indian... they dont do weird vision quest like that waiting for a warframe to choose them they don't have machine spirits like in Warhammer 40k... that would make everything so much more slower and creepier... Plus lots of people call the human body a suit. Those who are religious already call the human body a "space suit" for the soul(shouldve called it earth suit lol). So you have to back several steps and think. Are these Tenno religious? Maybe these warframes are the suits for their soul. They hop suits for the best results from the missions. Each suit could represent a God to them as well. The suits could be symbolic all on their own. Also to Seal In the Q&A video they also mentioned that the Tenno player will also get to choose their path. As in choose what events happened to them in the past which makes up who they are. So that means even further each player is unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 I disagree, and I am backing it up with these taunts: Lech Krill: "Beneath those suits exists flesh. Flesh bleeds. Player bleeds." Phorid: (Revoke the frailities of flesh. Let us in.) (Through the coalescence of flesh and universal will, we will exist as one.) (Tenuous is your human spirit, Player. Let us be your salvation.) Ruk also mentions Grineer perfection which is achieved by shedding of flesh, and that flesh is flaw. If anything i would say that Grineer are trying to achieve that. I agree that this may be a reference to flesh, but I am not sure the Infested are aware of the true nature of the Tenno. For thousands of years, the Infestation has been feeding off the Grineer and - possibly - some corpus engineers. Why would they assume the Tenno are different? I don't think the infestation is smart enough to differentiate such an enemy so old as the Tenno. In a sense, Corpus bleed, but who is to say they are not just oozing lubriant? I think this is years of genetic assumption on Phorid's part, not an understanding of the Tenno, since none of them have been infected (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 Sorry Silverbones. You've obviously put a lot of thought into this, but the warframes have explicitly been referred to as suits by Steve on multiple occasions. Check out the first dev diary: I think the Tenno are supposed to be kind of like the Bene Gesserit from Dune. They're humans, but they've developed almost perfect control of their bodies and minds through advanced training techniques. What if use of the warframes required this high level of physical and mental development that can only be acquired through ancient, esoteric techniques passed on from the Orokin era? That might explain why noone but the Tenno can use the warframes. Check out this overview of the Bene Gesserits prana-bindu training and tell me that doesn't fit the Tenno. Except the "sexual talents" part maybe (though future warframes might change that!) http://en.wikipedia....he_weirding_way People are overthinking the gender thing. The devs seem to want to give each warframe a distinct feel. That doesn't necessarily mean they're a unique character. The warframes might be more like archetypes, and Tenno choose which one they use based on their personalities, skills, and apparently gender. It would be cool if the Tenno had to go on some kind of "vision quest" where they fasted and meditated in isolation until it seemed like one of the warframes chose them. Think totem animals in Native American folklore. An excellent rebuttal, sir. But there is very few other ways to describe the Warframe other than a suit. It does not move aside the rest of the (arguable) evidence I have seen for Transhumanism, and the very direct quote recently saying that 'perhaps there is no gender' lends credence to the evolving nature of transhuman exsistance to the Tenno. The gender issue is not what brought this up. Oddly enough, the Lotus was the biggest idea starter for me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) I lost my very long post damn it. One thing - Grineer knows about Orokin Towers - that is why they are keeping Mercury locked down - so no Tenno will get outside. If they were able to destroy Orokin Tower, so launching cryotubes would be only salvation, what would stop them from demolishing all of Towers? And if that was a way to escape Infestation, what good would it do - why not create supermassive space ship and run away - instead they immobilized themselves, left themselves vulnerable and defenseless. And if Infestation is not interested in fighting machines - why bother striking at Jupiter sector - from strategic point of view it would be better to leave them be - they are danger to Corpus and Grineer. I can see many good points which I would not be able to counter, or barely - but I think it's like "Indoctrination Theory" in ME3 - made tons of sense, was proven to be false. And personally i hate the notion of being puppeteer of some cyber-doll, being in this doll or controllling it via remote. I like to think that this is my &#! that is put on the line. EDIT - I meant "outside" not inside Edited March 1, 2013 by SabreUr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 The Infested don't seem as successful as other infestation races from other games, movies, tv shows. I doubt they know anything or have a high inteligence. Their leader doesnt seem to have anything omnipotent like the Hive Mind of the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k or that humanoid Queen from the Zerg. They do not have the ability to pass on intelgience like the Alien Queens from the Aliens series. They do not have a Hive mind like the flood from Halo otherwise they would have won by now. The tenno and Orokin seem to have plenty of control to the point these technocyte created infestation are incapable of becoming too inteligent to harm their creators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 The Infested don't seem as successful as other infestation races from other games, movies, tv shows. I doubt they know anything or have a high inteligence. Their leader doesnt seem to have anything omnipotent like the Hive Mind of the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k or that humanoid Queen from the Zerg. They do not have the ability to pass on intelgience like the Alien Queens from the Aliens series. They do not have a Hive mind like the flood from Halo otherwise they would have won by now. The tenno and Orokin seem to have plenty of control to the point these technocyte created infestation are incapable of becoming too inteligent to harm their creators. What this has to do with my post? And creature speaking directly to my mind using actual sentences is not intelligent nor "knows anything"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealgaire Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) Err... what? Tenno arent indian... they dont do weird vision quest like that waiting for a warframe to choose them they don't have machine spirits like in Warhammer 40k... that would make everything so much more slower and creepier... Plus lots of people call the human body a suit. Those who are religious already call the human body a "space suit" for the soul(shouldve called it earth suit lol). So you have to back several steps and think. Are these Tenno religious? Maybe these warframes are the suits for their soul. They hop suits for the best results from the missions. Each suit could represent a God to them as well. The suits could be symbolic all on their own. Also to Seal In the Q&A video they also mentioned that the Tenno player will also get to choose their path. As in choose what events happened to them in the past which makes up who they are. So that means even further each player is unique. You missed the quotes around "vision quest" and word seems when talking about warframes choosing their users. I was just thinking of a cooler way for the Tenno to decide what warframes they would use, as it seems like a huge decision, especially if they're "bonded" with their frames for potentially their whole lives. I think that's a much more interesting idea than them just hopping from suit to suit like it's just another piece of gear, it should be part of who they are. Edited March 1, 2013 by Sealgaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 I lost my very long post damn it. One thing - Grineer knows about Orokin Towers - that is why they are keeping Mercury locked down - so no Tenno will get outside. If they were able to destroy Orokin Tower, so launching cryotubes would be only salvation, what would stop them from demolishing all of Towers? And if that was a way to escape Infestation, what good would it do - why not create supermassive space ship and run away - instead they immobilized themselves, left themselves vulnerable and defenseless. And if Infestation is not interested in fighting machines - why bother striking at Jupiter sector - from strategic point of view it would be better to leave them be - they are danger to Corpus and Grineer. I can see many good points which I would not be able to counter, or barely - but I think it's like "Indoctrination Theory" in ME3 - made tons of sense, was proven to be false. And personally i hate the notion of being puppeteer of some cyber-doll, being in this doll or controllling it via remote. I like to think that this is my &#! that is put on the line. EDIT - I meant "outside" not inside A blitz strike may have resulted in the Tenno being forced into a centralized location. Perhaps the final towers on Mercury are too well defended - not to mention being a stones throw away from the sun - for the Grineer to protect themselves effciently. If they cannot destory it, then seige it. I would think that the survivors outside of Mercury are escapees from a time long ago, hidden away. Escape may not have been a great option there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 What this has to do with my post? And creature speaking directly to my mind using actual sentences is not intelligent nor "knows anything"? Some sort of communincation via infected Corpus members does not mean they are understanding of the Tenno. It has been said that no Tenno has been infected yet. It also seems that Phorid wants to unify the races through flesh. This alludes to some sort of shared genetic legacy or strength, or perhaps memories passed along via assimilation. With no infected tenno, how would they gain knoledge of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 SilverBones, question to you - probability of this theory aside - but would you personally like it being a truth? Because I would see it as rather cheap - i personally imagine that Tenno are "bounded" more or less literary to their Warframes, like warrior to it's weapon and there is some kind of connection between them - something like Sealgaire mentioned - or something like Samurai and his sword. And being spirit (in any meaning) possessing warframe would degrade warframe to "tool".There would be no "care for your Warframe, because it's first and last thing between you and death. You take care of warframe and Warframe takes care of you." more like "it is tool - you can choose any of those, and if you damage it we will refund it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 And ninja'd :D Lotus states that Infested were created by Orokin in Golem mission - to fight Sentience. What is/was sentience aside - but if Infested were created by Orokind I assume that they would recognize Tenno - maybe as "masters", "handlers" or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ced23Ric Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) We still have no idea what the suits are really made of... The suits are made of Technocyte Virus tissue, because the TCV is the source of both the powers and protection of the Tenno. The Tenno can work with and control the effects of the TCV, whereas the Infestation .... had not so much luck. Being former Corpus or Grineer personell, it seems clear that the TCV is not limited to who it affects, and it seamlessly integrates technology into its tumors - as shown with the Infested Chargers. The Tenno, though, are able to control the TCV, both in growth and expressions of powers, which they use as abilities, without the TCV overtaking their minds and bodies. In Update 7, there will be further proof of the TCV growth, in the form of a new-... *BLAM!* New enlightening litanies by the ecclesiarchy. Praise the Emperor! Edited March 1, 2013 by Ced23Ric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 SilverBones, question to you - probability of this theory aside - but would you personally like it being a truth? Because I would see it as rather cheap - i personally imagine that Tenno are "bounded" more or less literary to their Warframes, like warrior to it's weapon and there is some kind of connection between them - something like Sealgaire mentioned - or something like Samurai and his sword. And being spirit (in any meaning) possessing warframe would degrade warframe to "tool".There would be no "care for your Warframe, because it's first and last thing between you and death. You take care of warframe and Warframe takes care of you." more like "it is tool - you can choose any of those, and if you damage it we will refund it!" I hate the idea that I may have been wrong about the Tenno for so long. The fact is I wrote all my "I am..." stuff based on individuals assuming the identity of a suit of armor; a living being. If the Transhumanism aspect is right then everything I have written is wrong. But this seems right to me. Transhumanism means that the Tenno - your race - is capable of so much interaction and are immortal souls fighting against under-evolved, angry natives of a world you once ruled. It takes the hero aspect of a fallen king and is the story of his return to power. In western culture, that may be seen as a bad-guy winning, but look at movies like Hero where the ‘villain’ is in fact got nothing but the best for the country in mind. You slaughter Grineer in their hundreds, lay waste to Corpus troops and ships as if they are nothing more that 20-minute distractions. Soon you will be able to deflect bullets. These are the actions of a race beyond mortal. You may feel some kind of disconnect, thinking that you are piloting a proxy, but I disagree. I think the body is but a weapon for the Tenno, but like the Katana to the ancient Samurai, it is one that is a part of you; inseparable, honored and feared. Your Warframe is your identity to anyone who is not a Tenno. That is what is feared and revered at the same time, not the soul inside it, and through your mastery and connection to it, you are the same ultimate badass that demands as much respect as a man in a suit, throwing himself before blades. Tenno can still die. Death in a Warframe is still death. I think what you are seeing as a remotely-controlled tool. I see Warframes like shortened down mecha where the pilot still resides in it. If it dies, the pilot dies. There is still that feeling of mortality for me, at least in a combat sense, just not in an ‘old age and sickness’ sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 The suits are made of Technocyte Virus tissue, because the TCV is the source of both the powers and protection of the Tenno. The Tenno can work with and control the effects of the TCV, whereas the Infestation .... had not so much luck. Being former Corpus or Grineer personell, it seems clear that the TCV is not limited to who it affects, and it seamlessly integrates technology into its tumors - as shown with the Infested Chargers. The Tenno, though, are able to control the TCV, both in growth and expressions of powers, which they use as abilities, without the TCV overtaking their minds and bodies. In Update 7, there will be further proof of the TCV growth, in the form of a new-... *BLAM!* New enlightening litanies by the ecclesiarchy. Praise the Emperor! Your first points seem pretty valid. Can you give us a referance where it says that the suits are made of TCV? It seems to make sense, but I wouldn't say that they are totally organic. Either way, they are still viable as 'bleeding proxies'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I get it - i disagree but i understand. And if you are not native English speaker, you should totally apply for Tenno Operative status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labcat Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) One thing you might want to take into consideration, showing bonds between the Tenno and the Orokin race, is that despite having everything needed for building Warframes, Grineers and Corpus do not have any knowledge how to do so. They have the blue prints, safegaurded by their highest authority, where as their researchers are probably looking into how to build warframes. That is why they are grabbing Warframes still in cryosleep, I would presume. The biggest secrets of the warframes, are how they are composed. We who control the Tenno only need the parts, and some time. This means we have the Orokin knowledge on how a Warframe is composed, something otherwise long forgotten, and never shared, with the Grineer(Nor Corpus). If this knowledge made the Grineer enemies to the Orokin out of greed, the Orokin could have switched state into "Tenno" forgetting all about the past, and enabling the power of the Warframes, and as a saftey mesure, go into cryosleep in pods, to appear as space rubble on radars, avoiding detection. They probably had Lotus programmed before this, to resurrect them, wake them up, when the Grineer and the Corpus were at their weakest peak. Be it in reproduction stage, or technologically. The infested has probably slowed down both the Grineer's cycle(As said by DERebeccas character, the Grineer's reproduction line has degenerated to dangerously low levels, meaning they are getting weaker and weaker from the super humans they supposively once was), as well as Corpus technical progress, so it is a perfect time for the Tenno to return. Also, about Transhumanity, not that I have looked into the subject, but something that is amasing about the warframes is how you can equip a frame, and suddenly change all appearances, such as musclemass and muscle strenght. Somewhere here one could assume that instead of one body, with one mind, with several armors, there is one mind, with several body's. Whereas the Warframes are not only an armor, but the flesh inside as well. These are mere speculations, but several facts do show that this could be the case. This would fit the current system as well. Before you go in to a mission, you are in a sort of a "praeparatio statu", where you pick which body you would like to possess, and which items should be equipped to it. This also explains how you put modifications on a Warframe, apart from supergluing them on(or duct taping them). You change the Warframe itself, consuming the Modification temporarily(Again, Orokin technology), making the suit stronger in specified way. That mind doing all this is you, in front of the screen. Get it? Feel free to critique me, I don't know S#&$ about the lore, other than things I've might have read around here, or in game. Edited March 2, 2013 by Labcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) One thing you might want to take into consideration, showing bonds between the Tenno and the Orokin race, is that despite having everything needed for building Warframes, Grineers and Corpus do not have any knowledge how to do so. They have the blue prints, safegaurded by their highest authority, where as their researchers are probably looking into how to build warframes. That is why they are grabbing Warframes still in cryosleep, I would presume. The biggest secrets of the warframes, are how they are composed. We who control the Tenno only need the parts, and some time. This means we have the Orokin knowledge on how a Warframe is composed, something otherwise long forgotten, and never shared, with the Grineer(Nor Corpus). If this knowledge made the Grineer enemies to the Orokin out of greed, the Orokin could have switched state into "Tenno" forgetting all about the past, and enabling the power of the Warframes, and as a saftey mesure, go into cryosleep in pods, to appear as space rubble on radars, avoiding detection. They probably had Lotus programmed before this, to resurrect them, wake them up, when the Grineer and the Corpus were at their weakest peak. Be it in reproduction stage, or technologically. The infested has probably slowed down both the Grineer's cycle(As said by DERebeccas character, the Grineer's reproduction line has degenerated to dangerously low levels, meaning they are getting weaker and weaker from the super humans they supposively once was), as well as Corpus technical progress, so it is a perfect time for the Tenno to return. Also, about Transhumanity, not that I have looked into the subject, but something that is amasing about the warframes is how you can equip a frame, and suddenly change all appearances, such as musclemass and muscle strenght. Somewhere here one could assume that instead of one body, with one mind, with several armors, there is one mind, with several body's. Whereas the Warframes are not only an armor, but the flesh inside as well. These are mere speculations, but several facts do show that this could be the case. This would fit the current system as well. Before you go in to a mission, you are in a sort of a "praeparatio statu", where you pick which body you would like to possess, and which items should be equipped to it. This also explains how you put modifications on a Warframe, apart from supergluing them on(or duct taping them). You change the Warframe itself, consuming the Modification temporarily(Again, Orokin technology), making the suit stronger in specified way. That mind doing all this is you, in front of the screen. Get it? Feel free to critique me, I don't know S#&$ about the lore, other than things I've might have read around here, or in game. I agree with the point about Warframes also having a 'body' as part of it. Technology is forever trying to mimic the body because of its natural ability to regenerate and self-lubricate and reenergize itself with an untold level of efficiency. Just because the Warframe is a body that bleeds and has musculature and other organic components, does not make it any less of a construct. Why would you not mimic the pinnacle of evolution in this system? My theory states that the Tenno evolved to no longer need that body, but nevertheless have to take one to fight it’s physical aggressors; the Grineer and the Corpus. Edited March 2, 2013 by SilverBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBones Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) I get it - i disagree but i understand. And if you are not native English speaker, you should totally apply for Tenno Operative status. I am sad that I do not come across as a native English speaker :) I need to work on my grammar some more it seems :) ALSO: I would really love for a DE employee to come shoot me down, but they have been pretty tight-lipped when it comes to lore so far. I'm thinking I will have to live in torment, feveriously trying to re-write my "I am..." series. Bollocks. Now Awoken into Darkness will need a re-write too. I just this second thought of that. Edited March 2, 2013 by SilverBones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreUr Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 ? Having perfectly good grammar does not indicate that you must be a native speaker - yt comment section and some users on our forum prove otherwise . I mentioned it because you would be able to take a look at some interesting stuff. I meant no disrespect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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