derclaw Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) People suggested to make Rhino prime ironskin to be golden (because its suits Pimp-style of Primes) - DE agreed with this. Deal with IT! Its the same thing as being unable to colour the golden trim on primes. Go swager or go home. Edited March 20, 2014 by derclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) A reason for why Rhino Prime's Iron Skin should be gold is because unlike the other Primes, Rhino's Iron Skin is an ability that replaces a significant amount of its appearance during normal gameplay. It also has the unfortunate effect of obscuring the color features that differentiate Rhino Prime from its normal counterpart. When you see a Mag Prime, its golden tints make it apparent that it's a Prime; and Ember Prime's gold is physically designed differently enough that you can tell it's a Prime at a glance, not to mention its flaming head. (Now I do think Frost Prime needs more obvious gold in its body, as replacing its helmet makes it nearly identical to the normal). Hence, why not make Rhino's most visible ability - Iron Skin - more obviously "Prime"? Thinking about it some more though, having the Gold Iron Skin have the same level of specularity as the Boltor Prime - or other Primes - gold would be a bad idea. While the level of shine on Primes is perfect, that's only because they're trims and thin parts. Given how much of the Rhino's body is covered by Iron Skin, having a very shiny Iron Skin on the same level as Prime Gold would make Rhino a literal eyesore especially in bright environments like Phobos and Orokin Void. I still think the current implementation of Iron Skin doesn't look too good, mostly because of its base color, which appears more dark green rather than yellow. As someone who's personally experienced trying to replicate gold in digital art, it's too easy to make gold look green due to how close the two colors are in the color spectrum. Thus, most gold in digital art is made out of a bright yellow with dark orange, brown, or white mixed in, which makes for better golden colors. A fix I can suggest is to reduce the reflectivity of the Iron Skin as noogums suggested (so it doesn't reflect environment colors so easily), increasing specularity to give it shine (not to the same level as Prime Gold though), and finally changing the base color to remove the greenish tint. Now that I think about it, the reflectivity and specularity changes to the Gold Iron Skin could also benefit the normal Rhino Iron Skin, to make it truly look Chrome. That's all unnecessary so I put it in a spoiler. My point is, if Rhino is getting special ability changes (in addition to the controversial stat change) other primes should get the same treatment. Rhino Prime's helmet, nobs, and shoulders are pretty clear indicators of his prime status. If Rhino Prime get's golden Iron Skin purely because he is a prime, maybe Frost Prime should get a Golden Snow Globe. Excal Prime should get Golden Skanas for his Radial Javelin. Why not make Iron Skin gold? Because it is unnecessary. If Rhino Prime is getting extra stuff, so should all the other primes. On Topic: Its called Iron Skin, not Chrome Skin. IMO his Iron Skin ability (both prime and non-prime variants) should remain as they are in normal (non-prime) form. Edited March 20, 2014 by SquirmyBurrito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakystupi Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 its not prime swag its bling crap they overdid this badly give it golden highlights yes but turn him into a walking bannana fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulie Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 It doesnt even match the prime gold. Its all dark and ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGear Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) That's all unnecessary so I put it in a spoiler. My point is, if Rhino is getting special ability changes (in addition to the controversial stat change) other primes should get the same treatment. Rhino Prime's helmet, nobs, and shoulders are pretty clear indicators of his prime status. If Rhino Prime get's golden Iron Skin purely because he is a prime, maybe Frost Prime should get a Golden Snow Globe. Excal Prime should get Golden Skanas for his Radial Javelin. Actually, I like all those ideas in principle. Prime Warframes have the least improvement over their normal counterparts of Primed items, why not make their abilities flashier to compensate? As I mentioned though, Iron Skin is an ability that's also a bodily cosmetic, something none of the other Prime Warframes have. Thus, its aesthetic appearance should match Rhino bring a Prime, and should enhance Rhino's appearance as a Prime instead of obscuring it. Finally, the thought of Rhino getting a new Iron Skin came to me when I was playing with a Rhino Prime in a match, yet I didn't even realize he was a Prime until he I got a very good look at him standing still. In matches, I can always easily spot Mag Primes and Ember Primes even in motion, yet Rhino Prime was hard to differentiate with Iron Skin on, since it obscures some of the physical changes on him, like the larger shoulders. Finally, Iron Man is gold and red, yet we don't call him "Golden Red Man". =P Edited March 20, 2014 by LGear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkeus Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 golden parts in prime frames are fine, but golden skin isnt, who wanted it gold go and buy yellow colours and make it for yourselfs lazy kids, i would like to choose my own colour for iron skin and the energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALE94 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 On open maps this looks glorious, that was fast fix :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faustias Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 ohohohh... s-shiny... *rubs the shoulder piece, drooling* this motivates me to waste more T3 survival keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 On open maps this looks glorious, that was fast fix :D that is the single most epic thing I have ever seen when it comes to rhino... just ahead of the neat color schemes possible with Rhino prime, and Rhino prime itself just behind that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaboomonme Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 It needs to COMPLETELY cover Rhino imo. THose little bits showing from under the Ironskin kinda ruins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loswaith Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 He looks like the bumblebee transformer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALE94 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 These are colors not much changed does not matter just picked most deep yellow from the left in halooween pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IIJetfireII Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) He looks like the bumblebee transformer. but he's missing half black or grey colour. or i think he doesn't look like bee, cuz of certain obvious differences... Edited March 20, 2014 by IIRodimusprimeII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Golden codpiece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naugus Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I stopped using iron skin since it was turned gold... every time I used it, the color of it caused me to have an urge to pee >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maou Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Lets chip off pieces off you, so we can sell the gold for creds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchel Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 rhino iron skin of pee bear grylls amaez. w0we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaraAstara Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Pretty! Pretty! Shiny! Shiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 rhino iron skin of pee bear grylls amaez. w0we. *facepalm* damn.. your right... it does look like Rhino took the whole pee can save you a little too far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyCARNAGE Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Ugh, looks horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogums Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Huh. I turned off color correction, and for some reason everything looks better. In that picture, most of the green seems to be based on specularity coming from the surrounding gold which is being reflected a little too green, which is a common thing with gold/yellow colours, if there is blue involved, be it in the lighting, or the specular settings of the Iron Skin. That being said, I still think that toning down the reflectivity and tweaking the shader settings could produce a more pronounced gold. I'd like this thread to be kept alive long enough to get a Dev's input on this, since I'm just going from what I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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