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As it stands, they're fairly underpowered. Just like bows needed it to keep them viable, Crossbows could use a little exploding love. I love strafe firing with my Ballistica, but its virtues can only carry it so far. And with what I've heard about Attica, it's "acceptable." If Paris is a low-rank weapon that can be buffed with it, certainly the Rank 2 Ballistica and Rank 4 Attica can.

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Thunderbolt is a pretty terrible mod at higher levels. A static 250 damage is peanuts compared to enemy health.

 

No, the Attica and Ballistica are going to need more than that to be any good.

Good to know, I guess. But, viability is viability, regardless of the source. This would at least communicate that they're trying, especially if crossbow weapons got a one-third damage buff like bows did at the same time.

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Good to know, I guess. But, viability is viability, regardless of the source. This would at least communicate that they're trying, especially if crossbow weapons got a one-third damage buff like bows did at the same time.

 

No. This is almost worse than nothing, since in typical DE fashion to handwave a mediocre tweak to a weapon while ignoring its true flaws. Attica would be fun with Thunderbolt but it is definitely not what it needs.

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I don't see why this stuff should be mutually exclusive. Why should one be unable to equip a mod simply because the mod is crap due to bad scaling? That is counter-productive logic. It doesn't matter if Attica NEEDS thunderbolt or not. Please people, don't forget that low levels and starter players still matter. And sometimes, fun matters even more.

 

By all means, all bolt / arrow weapons should be allowed to equip thunderbolt. Since the Ballistica is a Pistol, there would be it's own mod needed, but I also don't see why that should not happen, considering Thunderbolt has been created at a time when there were ONLY bows, and not crossbows.

 

Thus; signed.

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I don't see why this stuff should be mutually exclusive. Why should one be unable to equip a mod simply because the mod is crap due to bad scaling? That is counter-productive logic. It doesn't matter if Attica NEEDS thunderbolt or not. Please people, don't forget that low levels and starter players still matter. And sometimes, fun matters even more.

 

By all means, all bolt / arrow weapons should be allowed to equip thunderbolt. Since the Ballistica is a Pistol, there would be it's own mod needed, but I also don't see why that should not happen, considering Thunderbolt has been created at a time when there were ONLY bows, and not crossbows.

 

Thus; signed.

Thank you. And yes, Thunderbolt would need a new kind of classification for sidearms, it's just the quickest relation I could make.

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So what does it need?

 

Faster reload, faster bolt speed, more damage, larger magazine, an actual idea of what the gun is trying to accomplish... basically anything but Thunderbolt.

 

Not that it shouldn't be able to use Thunderbolt. Just that there are far more glaring issues with the Attica than it not having exploding arrows. They'd be more "fun," but in the end they wouldn't accomplish anything unless Thunderbolt itself was buffed.

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Faster reload, faster bolt speed, more damage, larger magazine, an actual idea of what the gun is trying to accomplish... basically anything but Thunderbolt.

 

Not that it shouldn't be able to use Thunderbolt. Just that there are far more glaring issues with the Attica than it not having exploding arrows. They'd be more "fun," but in the end they wouldn't accomplish anything unless Thunderbolt itself was buffed.

I agree with your points, considering according to Mogamu it's faster to semi-auto fire the Attica. Clearly, it's based on the repeating crossbow used in the Boxer rebellion, but given its native fire rate... the rebellion would've been over before it started if it was like this. I guess, esentially, what I'm asking for is Crossbows 2.0.

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Thunderbolt is a pretty terrible mod at higher levels. A static 250 damage is peanuts compared to enemy health.

 

No, the Attica and Ballistica are going to need more than that to be any good.

 

^ This, crossbows are not magically viable on mid/high lvl mobs just because you add a terrible mod that no1 in their right mind even uses on bows.

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Of course people use it on bows. you simply need to get it into your head that some people use things for fun. And considering the Attica is a CrossBOW, there is again no reason why the Thunderbolt mod should not be applicable to it.

 

And I'm almost willing to bet money that once they buff thunderbolt to have a higher proc chance and scale with all mods, making it a viable damage boost, then all of you are going to scream "give it to the Attica ASAP!"

 

Some things can be done and fixed in foresight, you know?

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Of course people use it on bows. you simply need to get it into your head that some people use things for fun. And considering the Attica is a CrossBOW, there is again no reason why the Thunderbolt mod should not be applicable to it.

 

And I'm almost willing to bet money that once they buff thunderbolt to have a higher proc chance and scale with all mods, making it a viable damage boost, then all of you are going to scream "give it to the Attica ASAP!"

 

Some things can be done and fixed in foresight, you know?

 

who said their buffing thunderbolt?   you assuming?

 

the ballistica has been around longer, threads like this one are by no means the first and still thunderbolt is only for bows, and even then its static low dmg for trash mobs.

 

if it was changed in "foresight" as you said then thunderbolt would be working on both crossbows as of now but it doesnt, for mechanics reasons the ballistica and attica are identical to the boltor/boltor prime and twin gremlins, they fire bolts, they share their inner-workings with those weapons, the crossbows arent a breed of their own.

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As it stands, they're fairly underpowered. Just like bows needed it to keep them viable, Crossbows could use a little exploding love. I love strafe firing with my Ballistica, but its virtues can only carry it so far. And with what I've heard about Attica, it's "acceptable." If Paris is a low-rank weapon that can be buffed with it, certainly the Rank 2 Ballistica and Rank 4 Attica can.

i agree that i would like to have thunderbolt on it because it would be fun as you can imagine but facts are facts and as people have said the crossbow is not a bow but more like a pistol and fires bolts not arrows well it really is up to DE whether or not they will do it maybe they have discussed this already? not sure 

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While crossbows fire "bolts" and arrows fire "arrows" they are both "projectiles" in an archery sense using the same principle. Furthermore the Attica is not a Crossbow, but an automatic/repeating Crossbow, if anything.

 

 

who said their buffing thunderbolt?   you assuming?

 

the ballistica has been around longer, threads like this one are by no means the first and still thunderbolt is only for bows, and even then its static low dmg for trash mobs.

 

if it was changed in "foresight" as you said then thunderbolt would be working on both crossbows as of now but it doesnt, for mechanics reasons the ballistica and attica are identical to the boltor/boltor prime and twin gremlins, they fire bolts, they share their inner-workings with those weapons, the crossbows arent a breed of their own.

 

Yes, me assuming, because this can always happen, and considering how much they changed already, this is not a far-fetched thought.

 

 

Could it possibly occur to you, that Thunderbolt has not been changed yet because they haven't decided on what they think is the best way of redesigning it? That would make it perfectly reasonable why they didn't unlock it for the Attica yet, simply because if they want to touch it, they want to make it worth while. And who knows where on the priority list Thunderbolt is.

The same goes for the Ballistica. It would need a pistol version of Thunderbolt, which then again needs to be applied to drop tables, etc, and same as above applies. Why seeding a mod that isn't quite as favourable in design?

 

Also, it might be just me, but I've always considered Boltor etc. firing Darts, not Bolts, but oh well.

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While crossbows fire "bolts" and arrows fire "arrows" they are both "projectiles" in an archery sense using the same principle. Furthermore the Attica is not a Crossbow, but an automatic/repeating Crossbow, if anything.

i would just like to point out some mistakes you have made here arrows do not fire arrows this makes no sense Bows fires arrows and yea they maybe projectiles and you may have seen some movie where a crossbolt shot explosive ammo you forget that DE has made other weapons that use the same ammo and one of them is a rifle and you can imagine the things DE would have to do to try and "balance" these weapons my guess would be a nerf war but i personally dont like my weapons being nerfed 

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I try to see where you counter my mistakes but other than throwing assumptions of where I get my ideas or not, AND inserting assumptions of your own, I see no substance in your post. Which is quite literal, considering the lack of punctuation.

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first i dont care about punctuation stuff because im not writing for some test so grammar trolls can hop off and these assumptions were just examples i could care less where you got your ideas also i was not making assumptions of my own these are straight facts if you put thunderbolt on the crossbolt then the other weapons would follow (.period.) 

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^ This, crossbows are not magically viable on mid/high lvl mobs just because you add a terrible mod that no1 in their right mind even uses on bows.

 

Of course people use it on bows. you simply need to get it into your head that some people use things for fun. And considering the Attica is a CrossBOW, there is again no reason why the Thunderbolt mod should not be applicable to it.

Yes, not everyone is a min/ maxer. I beat the first boss on Mercury, alone, with my Ballistica, by burst firing and ducking in and out of cover. THAT was intense, and the elusive beast of fun.

 

first i dont care about punctuation stuff because im not writing for some test so grammar trolls can hop off and these assumptions were just examples i could care less where you got your ideas also i was not making assumptions of my own these are straight facts if you put thunderbolt on the crossbolt then the other weapons would follow (.period.) 

Will you please contribute constructively to the conversation?

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I try to see where you counter my mistakes but other than throwing assumptions of where I get my ideas or not, AND inserting assumptions of your own, I see no substance in your post. Which is quite literal, considering the lack of punctuation.

Likewise, your assumption that DE is going to buff Thunderbolt - or might buff Thunderbolt - carries no weight. Unless someone at DE specifically said they would be looking at Thunderbolt, any notion of it getting buffed is pure conjecture. And DE isn't known for being on the ball about buffing underpowered mods. It would be more constructive to discuss how Thunderbolt should be improved in another thread at this rate.

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Will you please contribute constructively to the conversation?

what i mean that other weapons will follow is weapons that use the bolt ammo will have thunderbolt as well and there would be explosions everywhere if put on a fast bolt weapon so you could imagine the chain of events that would follow Unless DE specifically makes it so only the crossbow can use it but i am no dev this is just my  hypothesis

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Could it possibly occur to you, that Thunderbolt has not been changed yet because they haven't decided on what they think is the best way of redesigning it? That would make it perfectly reasonable why they didn't unlock it for the Attica yet, simply because if they want to touch it, they want to make it worth while. And who knows where on the priority list Thunderbolt is.

There's lots of terrible mods that need buffs or changes and have yet to get them, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Thunderbolt change.

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what i mean that other weapons will follow is weapons that use the bolt ammo will have thunderbolt as well and there would be explosions everywhere if put on a fast bolt weapon so you could imagine the chain of events that would follow Unless DE specifically makes it so only the crossbow can use it but i am no dev this is just my  hypothesis

It's still only a 30% chance. Not every arrow ends up in an exploding shower. Shots would behave the same way. But, thank you for bringing up a good point, one does have to consider if you apply it to all "bolt" weapons how will it affects the balance in the game.

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