I Think It's Time Boltor Prime Stops Rendering ~130 Weapons Obsolete

[ndantony]

Those disadvantages are really tiny compared to huge advantages it has.

Most of those disadvantages automatically disappear simply by modding the weapon. (damage type ones)

Crit is not needed at all considering huge damage it does, and bolts travel very quick, absolutely no need lead your shots in 90% fights.

...similar argument can be used on quite a few other weapons. And if it says bolt take some travel time and you say, no, it travel very quick and "90%", then there is no argument.

[Azawarau]

The boltor prime has its advantages and disadvantages just like many weapons in the games... but these nerfing arguments are just ignoring that fact...

Need to give this weapon more disadvantages??

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Boltor_Prime

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This weapon deals primarily Puncture damage.

Advantages:

■High base damage.

■Deals high Puncture damage; effective against armored targets.

■High rate of fire.

■Due to its high fire rate and damage, it yields one of the highest sustained single target dps of all primary weapons, the other being the Boar Prime.

■Knocks target back on kill, dealing damage to nearby enemies behind the target.

■Low Recoil.

■ and polarities.

Disadvantages:

■Bolts have a small amount of travel time.

■Generally less effective against shields and flesh

■Low Impact damage, which is compounded by the damage penalty Puncture has against shields

■No Slash damage, making it less effective against flesh and Infested.

■Low critical chance.

■Below-average ammo efficiency in general, especially when used with Speed Trigger.

Comparisons:

■Boltor Prime, compared to the Boltor:

■Higher base damage (55.0 vs. 25.0).

■Higher Impact damage (5.5 vs. 2.5).

■Higher Puncture damage (49.5 vs. 20.0).

■Does not have Slash damage (0.0 vs. 2.5).

■Higher critical damage (200.0% vs. 150.0%).

■Faster rate of fire (10.0 rounds/s vs. 8.8 rounds/s).

■Slightly faster reload time (2.4s vs. 2.6s).

■Higher accuracy (50.0 vs. 25.0).

■Have an extra polarity.

The travel time means near nothing in PvE

 

Enemies are too slow and dumb to dodge and large open spaces are relatively rare

 

The lower damage against shield sand flesh is also not taking into account that the weapon is so much more powerful that youll beat out other weapons despite the fact

 

Ammo efficiency can be fixed with a single mod and using speed trigger is generally a bad idea for ammo efficiency on any weapon that doesnt charge

 

Low critical chance just means you can mod more for damage and less for crit, which is hardly a disadvantage especially considering youre getting alot more bang for your buck

 

The only actual disadvantages i can see are the low status chance and somewhat the travel time on shots

 

Aside from that its towering

[Edgedemon]

this has drag for too long, with only reason for most arguments being translated as  

"i don't want to choose another weapon because this is so OP i'm forced to use it even when i don't like it"

ill abandon THREAD*

 

Edited October 1, 2014 by Edgedemon

[Deruser]

Guys, Boltor prime does not equal to all prime weapons. When everyone only wants the boltor prime and completely ignores all other primes, you know there's something wrong.

[(PSN)ElZilcho]

Guys, Boltor prime does not equal to all prime weapons. When everyone only wants the boltor prime and completely ignores all other primes, you know there's something wrong.

I agree. There is something very wrong with the sort of boring sack that only ever uses a single weapon. How do they even enjoy this game, or any game for that matter, if they only do one thing?

The gun, on the other hand, is just fine.

[Dasmir]

Warframe is fulled with power creep and de is too lazy to even balance mods soo........

[Azawarau]

this has drag for too long, with only reason for most arguments being translated as  

"i don't want to choose another weapon because this is so OP i'm forced to use it even when i don't like it"

ill abandon THREAD*

 

Thats not even close to accurate

[Monolake]

Even if not a nefr

Boltor P needs mastery 8 requirement thats for sure, or it makes a joke of the entire game's content. It's 'balanced' vs much higher levels than you normally meet anywhere. Its a high-end weapon, it should only be accessible to veteran players for the quasi 'end-game' not to noobs with some 30-40 plat.

Latron P should have higher mastery requirement too (5 or 6)

[-_Zeron_-]

This argument is unfounded, if you nerf the Boltor prime something else is going to take its place. Something has to be at the top and something has to be at the bottom, it's how video games work. You're not going to stop min-maxers from min-maxing, it's what they find enjoyable. It's their problem if they feel they need to use the best of the best to do a mercury mission.

 

I do however think it should be a MR 8+ weapon. There are a lot of new players who just buy a plat pack, buy a Boltor P set and claim they've "beaten the game" or that "everything else sucks" or some such nonsense. Seeing as it's MR2 i believe.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Zeronthe

[(PSN)Veg1ta]

What happens if they make a auto rifle thats better than the boltor p? Everyone who uses the boltor p will switch over, cause its the same ppl that want easy mode op weapon,like how everyone used the acr or ump45 in cod.

[Azawarau]

This argument is unfounded, if you nerf the Boltor prime something else is going to take its place. Something has to be at the top and something has to be at the bottom, it's how video games work. You're not going to stop min-maxers from min-maxing, it's what they find enjoyable. It's their problem if they feel they need to use the best of the best to do a mercury mission.

 

I do however think it should be a MR 8+ weapon. There are a lot of new players who just buy a plat pack, buy a Boltor P set and claim they've "beaten the game" or that "everything else sucks" or some such nonsense. Seeing as it's MR2 i believe.

Its fine if boltor stays on top

 

But obsoleting entirely so many other weapons is not OK

 

Noone wants to nerf it to the ground

 

IMO it should stay the best but not by as much as it is currently

[Racter]

60m is enough to clear any room in the game. 30 - 40 would still be a just nerf without removing any of your beloved numbers you jerk off to

I don't think English is your first language or you're a little slow... talking about survival times not range. The gun is the best full auto rifle in the game, but full auto rifles are only viable for mid level or below content. Latron Prime goes a little farther but really bows and launchers are the only viable end game primaries anyway so what's the point? The Boltor P is too strong on Venus please make useless everywhere?

[Naftal]

I don't want to read this whole thread so can someone explain me how boltor prime makes weapons useless and how you are forced to use it in any mission?

[vaugahn]

I don't want to read this whole thread so can someone explain me how boltor prime makes weapons useless and how you are forced to use it in any mission?

 

Nobody is forced to do anything. 

 

However, the statistical outlier that is the Boltor Prime makes other weapons feel irrelevant, which is a no-no. You want all weapons to feel viable. It also trivializes content to an extent other weapons do not. 

[Naftal]

Nobody is forced to do anything. 

 

However, the statistical outlier that is the Boltor Prime makes other weapons feel irrelevant, which is a no-no. You want all weapons to feel viable. It also trivializes content to an extent other weapons do not. 

It maybe makes other automatic primaries irrelevant, but that's it.

[Racter]

It maybe makes other automatic primaries irrelevant, but that's it.

That's the thing, it doesn't even do that. All content full auto rifles are good for, any of them will work. Which is just about everything in the game. So...

[Azawarau]

I don't think English is your first language or you're a little slow... talking about survival times not range. The gun is the best full auto rifle in the game, but full auto rifles are only viable for mid level or below content. Latron Prime goes a little farther but really bows and launchers are the only viable end game primaries anyway so what's the point? The Boltor P is too strong on Venus please make useless everywhere?

Latron prime is just as viable as bows

 

And by sacrificing a bit of damage,using items, and/or bringing a nekros youll likely have little issue even at 60 minutes with ammo efficiency AND EVEN IF YOU DID

 

Thats no way to balance the game

 

Around lvl 45-50 the boltor wont have these issues

[Racter]

Latron Prime is not even remotely competitive with Dread/Penta in terms of raw damage. Not at all saying it's a bad weapon (I have 3-5 forma in both my Prime and my Wraith) but be realistic. Dread can damage cap AMD in 1-2 shots, Latron can't even come close to that. The ammo efficiency isn't the issue so much as the damage just not cutting it anymore.

[Dasmir]

Latron Prime is not even remotely competitive with Dread/Penta in terms of raw damage. Not at all saying it's a bad weapon (I have 3-5 forma in both my Prime and my Wraith) but be realistic. Dread can damage cap AMD in 1-2 shots, Latron can't even come close to that. The ammo efficiency isn't the issue so much as the damage just not cutting it anymore.

 

The thing is Latron Prime its hit scan and doesnt have issues against large crowds unlike bows you need to lead and mobs running straight to dealt with crowds.

[ndantony]

Latron prime is just as viable as bows

 

And by sacrificing a bit of damage,using items, and/or bringing a nekros youll likely have little issue even at 60 minutes with ammo efficiency AND EVEN IF YOU DID

 

Thats no way to balance the game

 

Around lvl 45-50 the boltor wont have these issues

Better to buff a little more with other weapons than to use them to argue for nerfing boltor. Apparently here, it can be argued either for or against. And those following lines of argument are just that. And around lvl 45-50 it won't matter because the enemies are crowded enough and are next to you and kill you anyway.  

[Brynslustafir]

I never use Boltor Prime. It's just so boring. 

Amprex and Miter are my usual choices. 

[Azawarau]

Latron Prime is not even remotely competitive with Dread/Penta in terms of raw damage. Not at all saying it's a bad weapon (I have 3-5 forma in both my Prime and my Wraith) but be realistic. Dread can damage cap AMD in 1-2 shots, Latron can't even come close to that. The ammo efficiency isn't the issue so much as the damage just not cutting it anymore.

Dread has an aim time and requires a bit of leading on anything that isnt too close by

 

when you miss a shot it hurts your DPS quite a bit and you cant build for status abuse >Reducing armor/killingshields/stun< as effectively

 

Also the Latron prime does better in crowds and will likely never run out of ammo unlike bows

 

If youre looking at raw damage alone youre not going to actually figure out whats better

 

And as for the Penta

 

So whats your point? It outclasses near every gun in the game along with the Ogris

 

Thats hardly  a point to make

 

Better to buff a little more with other weapons than to use them to argue for nerfing boltor. Apparently here, it can be argued either for or against. And those following lines of argument are just that. And around lvl 45-50 it won't matter because the enemies are crowded enough and are next to you and kill you anyway.  

Buff every weapon in the game

 VS nerf boltor

 

Hmmm...

 

Buff only top tier weapons VS nerf boltor

 

That power jump AND low mastery? Makes everything mastery fodder

 

Better to drop the boltor

[ndantony]

...

 

Buff every weapon in the game

 VS nerf boltor

 

Hmmm...

 

Buff only top tier weapons VS nerf boltor

 

That power jump AND low mastery? Makes everything mastery fodder

 

Better to drop the boltor

Yes, I am of opinion for buffing up other weapons! And I am proud to stand up for this belief as well!! 

 

...in fact, I have also mention about this in other posts.

 

Nerfing boltor may seem the easiest solution, and the nerfing enthusiasts love to use this in their arguments, but not necessarily the right one. Nor a solution that would help progressing the game or making the game as enjoyable. It seems to me it is an old generation of conservative thinking by gamers. But really, that how I believe the game should progress. And in fact, we need more cool weapon like bortor, or even a soma; soma is also as good or close and I love it too; and I hope soma prime will be even better. 

Edited October 3, 2014 by ndantony

[Azawarau]

Yes, I am of opinion for buffing up other weapons! And I am proud to stand up for this belief as well!! 

 

...in fact, I have mention about this on other posts.

 

Nerfing boltor may seem the easiest solution, and the nerfing enthusiasts love to use this in their arguments, but not necessarily the right one. Nor a solution that would help progressing the game or making the game as enjoyable. It seems to me it is an old generation of conservative thinking by gamers. But really, that how I believe the game should progress. And in fact, we need more cool weapon like bortor, or even a soma; some is also as good or close and I love it too; and I hope soma prime will be even better. 

Whats the point in buffing everything else exactly?

Edited October 3, 2014 by Azawarau

[Racter]

I think we're having a mis-communication issue here. All the better rifles are good up until no rifle is good anymore. At that point, nothing is good but bows and launchers. If you're going that far, you're running 4X Corrosive Projection and the mobs are CC locked. You don't build for status/elemental combos/anything but straight damage on the Dread and you definitely shouldn't be missing shots. You don't build status for anything at that point, you just run viral/heat on weapons that have space for more +dmg mods for the extra damage. Building for killing shields? Lollll

 

All of which is besides the point! Braton Burston Boltor doesn't matter! They're good/great modded properly until they're not then they're useless and there is practically no difference between them in terms of when that happens! I don't understand what you're not understanding here. An electric blanket ruins a candy bar but does nothing to steel. Lave ruins a candy bar and ruins steel. All full auto rifles are electric blankets. Make sense now? All buff/nerf threads for auto rifles these weapons are pointless because as a weapon they don't hold a candle to other options. The Scindo P doesn't copter as well as Dakra P but they're both trash compared to Zoren/Ichor/Amphis/Scoliac. A motorcycle is faster than a moped but they're both snails compared to a jet. A boulder is bigger than a pebble but both are jokes compared to a mountain. Is this more clear?

Edited October 3, 2014 by Racter0325