Antitoxin's True Value -- It's Two Third Of The Original Value!

[Twilight053]

In practice, the percentage of the Antitoxin resistance does not truly represent the damage it resists. For example, having a fully modded Antitoxin (45%) will only resist 30  Toxin damage out of 100.

 

The reason of this is because of how Warframe's health are composed of Flesh, all Warframes are weak to  Toxin damage and receives bonus damage of 50% from that source. Therefore, by default all Warframes will receive 150% damage from  Toxin source.

 

Using the Antitoxin mod will reduce the bonus damage inflicted linearly instead of multiplicatively. For example, using a fully upgraded Antitoxin (45%) will total the odds between the resisted damage and the original damage by (150%-45%):150% = 105%:150%, or 70%:100%, or 7:10. Therefore, it can be concluded that all Warframe with fully modded Antitoxin only resists 30% instead of 45% of  Toxin damage, which determines the Toxin Resistance's True Value formula to be:

 

     True Value ≈ Value*2/3

 

EVIDENCE:

Test 1 - Dual Ichor against unmodded Mag: 31 damage (http://puu.sh/bYYU3/a77b75c29e.jpg)

Test 2 - Dual Ichor against Mag with Rank 5 Antitoxin: 21 damage (http://puu.sh/bYZ6M/3e145953f7.jpg)

 

So, we have:

     BasePercentage-ResistedPercentage = ResistanceInPractice

     100%-(21/31 * 100%) = 100% - 68% = 32%

 

And if we compare the Resistance In Practice with Theoritical Resistance (30%)...

     ResistanceInPractice : TheoriticalResistance

     32% : 30%

 

 

Do not be fooled by the description, people -- It's weaker than you think!

Edited October 4, 2014 by Twilight053

[-FrostByte-]

Let the world know this!

[thegamer118]

praise our lord, our savior

[RealPandemonium]

It's only "weaker" because Tenno are weak vs Toxin.  Lightning Rod or Flame Repellent wouldn't have this "issue" since Tennos' resists don't  modify Electric or Fire damage. 

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this thread.  100 Toxin damage is actually 150 damage when applied to Flesh.  150 - (150 * .45) = 82.5.  82.5 = .55 * 150.  You are resisting 45% of the 150 damage that you received; the mod behaves exactly as advertised. 

 

Edit: Adjusted calculations to reflect Antitoxin's actual value of 45% resistance. 

Edited June 30, 2014 by RealPandemonium

[.Talia.]

A fully ranked Anti-Toxin is 45% resistance and not 60%.

 

He edited his OP so this might not make sense now. He was talking as if the mod was supposed to mitigate 60%

Edited July 1, 2014 by RexSol

[Twilight053]

At the same time, I think this also explains why is Mutalist powerful.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Twilight053

[Tsukinoki]

You'r wrong on the figure for antitoxin mod.

It provides 7.5% at base level and 7.5% per level.
It has 5 levels.
SO from the 5 levels it gains 37.5% resistance.
Add on the base 7.5% and you get 45% resistance.

So the mod is only supposed to block 45% of the damage, not 60%.

Please update your findings and dont edit the wiki before you double-check basic information like that.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Tsukinoki

[Twilight053]

You'r wrong on the figure for antitoxin mod.

It provides 7.5% at base level and 7.5% per level.

It has 5 levels.

SO from the 5 levels it gains 37.5% resistance.

Add on the base 7.5% and you get 45% resistance.

So the mod is only supposed to block 45% of the damage, not 60%.

Please update your findings and dont edit the wiki before you double-check basic information like that.

Oh, thanks! Updated.

[.Talia.]

 derp

Edited October 5, 2014 by RexSol

[DJ_Redwire]

I really hope this is some sort of oversight bug, but then again the evidence to the latter is pretty clear. I feel like DE is just so afraid of congruent scaling - where a Warframe's resistances and strengths remain congruent to and enemies level. One example of what I'm talking about is making Warframe power damage a percentage rather than a static damage number, at which the devs shuddered and shied away from. It really saddens me to see what seems to be a harsh phobia of end-game capabilities, making it so a player's ability to reach high levels is not dependant on skill but rather how many and what way they apply damage mods. 

[Lucredis]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this thread.  100 Toxin damage is actually 150 damage when applied to Flesh.  150 - (150 * .6) = 60.  60 = .4 * 150.  You are resisting 60% of the 150 damage that you received; the mod behaves exactly as advertised. 

[NightmareT12]

So you're saying I should be using those to max my Mods? That's pretty much what I did anyways! :p

[RancidTurnip1603]

30% damage mitigation is still 30% damage mitigation though :P

 

On frames with no armor it's still the best thing you've got.

 

Edited June 30, 2014 by RancidTurnip1603

[Tr1ples1xer]

all those elemental resist mods should resist 100% damage otherwise they are useless imo and waste of mod points.

[thegamer118]

all those elemental resist mods should resist 100% damage otherwise they are useless imo and waste of mod points.

no, at max it should be 85-90% resistance, otherwise it would break the game easy

[DJ_Redwire]

no, at max it should be 85-90% resistance, otherwise it would break the game easy

 

How so? Let's say that all of the elemental resistances are set to 100% so you decide to get a little crazy with them. You equip all four of them at once - you're now invulnerable to toxin, fire, cold, and electrical damage.How many enemies are you resistant to in the scope of the game? Maybe about 5 percent at most. 

[(PSN)Hooligonzo]

None of those Elemental Resistance mods are worth the real estate in my mod loadouts, anyway.

 

 

Not while abilities take up some of those ten slots.

Edited June 30, 2014 by (PS4)Hooligantuan

[.Talia.]

On PvP these mods are life savers.... Anti Toxin is a must have because Toxin Damage bypasses shields.

 

inb4, zNOOO PVP EVAAAR!!1! WARFARM NOT FOR PVP DE PLZ> zOMGWTF!!!!1

[Tr1ples1xer]

zNOOO PVP EVAAAR!!1! WARFARM NOT FOR PVP DE PLZ> zOMGWTF!!!!1

You guessed right, NO ONE cares for pvp.

[Tr1ples1xer]

no, at max it should be 85-90% resistance, otherwise it would break the game easy

break the game ? how often do you get hit by elemental damage anyway ? wouldn't break anything but 90% would be fine.

[VegetableBasket]

Why are tenno health/resistances nowhere in the game itself.

Why.

[RealPandemonium]

Why are tenno health/resistances nowhere in the game itself.

Why.

None of the Damage 2.0 system is.  Learn to love the wiki.

[Kartumterek]

It's only "weaker" because Tenno are weak vs Toxin.  Lightning Rod or Flame Repellent wouldn't have this "issue" since Tennos' resists don't  modify Electric or Fire damage. 

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this thread.  100 Toxin damage is actually 150 damage when applied to Flesh.  150 - (150 * .45) = 82.5.  82.5 = .55 * 150.  You are resisting 45% of the 150 damage that you received; the mod behaves exactly as advertised. 

 

Edit: Adjusted calculations to reflect Antitoxin's actual value of 45% resistance.

This pretty much. But its Lazies who can't be bothered to try and tank/survive anything, much easier to just come on the forums and beg for nerfs all day long

Waframe playerbase= buncha exposed whiners who wanna run from Mercury through Pluto and Derelicts/Void with just one Redirection mod.

[DJ_Redwire]

This pretty much. But its Lazies who can't be bothered to try and tank/survive anything, much easier to just come on the forums and beg for nerfs all day long

Waframe playerbase= buncha exposed whiners who wanna run from Mercury through Pluto and Derelicts/Void with just one Redirection mod.

 

Nerfs? I thought we were asking for buffs. :P

[Twilight053]

150 - (150 * .45) = 82.5.  82.5 = .55 * 150.  You are resisting 45% of the 150 damage that you received; the mod behaves exactly as advertised.

Nein, the damage you resisted are reduced linearly, not multiplicatively. I tried it out myself ingame you can try it yourself in return.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Twilight053

[RealPandemonium]

Nein, the damage you resisted are reduced linearly, not multiplicatively. I tried it out myself ingame you can try it yourself in return.

What was the behavior you were expecting?