Operation Gate Crash: Gate Grind.

[Squig]

I've taken the time to get to the point of endurance in the newest event. And what I would really dearly love to know is -why- the scaling doesn't get any harder. It turns into who is willing to grind the longest. There is literally nothing harder about the event once you get to 16+. Can't we have a COMPETITION that doesn't turn into who grinds the longest? Wasn't it generally agreed that needing to grind from the beginning of the competition till the end to be viable on the score chart was BAD? Thoughts, comments and swear words welcome.

 

TL;DR: Run Valkyr max Vit/Armor/Quick Thinking/Flow/Rage and watch as warframe turns into just another generic shooter!

 

EDIT ADDENDUM: I AM NOT COMPLAINING THAT IT IS TOO EASY. Stop telling me to run lowbie/less powerful gear. For heavens sake show some reading comprehension. 

 

EDIT: and by thoughts comments and swear words welcome I mean give me your feedback. Don't start dropping F bombs.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Squig

[XenosInfinity]

TL;DR: Run Valkyr max Vit/Armor/Quick Thinking/Flow/Rage and watch as warframe turns into just another generic shooter!

 

Or... you know, don't. It's only as generic as you want it to be. I've been running Oberon the whole time and I'm really enjoying this event because of the crossfire between the Grineer and the Infestation actually hurting me for once.

[Squig]

Or... you know, don't. It's only as generic as you want it to be. I've been running Oberon the whole time and I'm really enjoying this event because of the crossfire between the Grineer and the Infestation actually hurting me for once.

We're talking about the competitive aspect here, not about what one -can- do. The fact remains past 16 exposure things do -not- get harder. At all.

[XenosInfinity]

I'm afraid I honestly can't comment on that, I'm only at nine points at the moment. I suppose the obvious solution is to intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage the way we had to with the Stratos alert a few weeks ago, but that's really up to the player rather than the scaling mechanics.

[Eric1738]

i havent tried phobos challenge yet, but if nothing gets hard once u pass 16 points. hmm... then i agree it's more about grind than skills. the last event handled this much better.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Eric1738

[Squig]

i havent tried phobos challenge yet, but nothing gets hard once u pass 16 points. hmm... then i agree it's more about grind than skills. the last event handled this much better.

Unfortunately several events have handled this much better.  The formorian reactor escort one especially comes to mind since that one turned into being about perfecting ones score for the theoretical best possible score. Instead of run it again for a +1.

[(PSN)atpbx]

Not bothering.

 

I'm not grinding for anything anymore.

 

And I am definitely not wasting my time with anything related to RNG. 

[SlapClown]

did you stop to think not everyone has a strong frame like you ? take all your mods off and grab a mk1 braton and have some fun if it is to easy

[Squig]

did you stop to think not everyone has a strong frame like you ? take all your mods off and grab a mk1 braton and have some fun if it is to easy

I'm not complaining of it being too easy... you didn't even read it did you? My ISSUE is all because there is no scaling past 16 and there is no real competition, it's about who grinds the LONGEST.

[VergilDT]

I'm curious to know what exactly is supposed to weaken on my frame/weapons. I'm at a mere 13 points granted but I haven't noticed any change in my effectiveness. I've used Saryn-Torid-Acrid-Ichors the whole time, Saryn and I think Torid only has 1 Forma at present and not even back to 30 yet, and i'm still wrecking the same amount of face I usually do.

[Squig]

I'm curious to know what exactly is supposed to weaken on my frame/weapons. I'm at a mere 13 points granted but I haven't noticed any change in my effectiveness. I've used Saryn-Torid-Acrid-Ichors the whole time, Saryn and I think Torid only has 1 Forma at present and not even back to 30 yet, and i'm still wrecking the same amount of face I usually do.

The stats that weaken are primarily warframe ones. IE: Health/Shields/Power strength/Power Range/Power Duration. 

[SlyBoots]

There is literally nothing harder about the event once you get to 16+.

 

wow, now that's just #*($%%@ up. i thought the real debuffs would start after 15 points. way to go DE, way to go... :/

Edited September 18, 2014 by SlyBoots

[ePilgrim]

I'm curious to know what exactly is supposed to weaken on my frame/weapons. I'm at a mere 13 points granted but I haven't noticed any change in my effectiveness.

You won't when you're running around 1 hitting everything.

Yeah this event was under thought and really lacked the creativity DE has been famous for throughout Warframe. They're clearly very eager to stick to their trend of pumping out content for the newest populations joining us. Really sucks for Vets who have nothing to do in the game for over 6 months.

The mods were bad, the lack of lore and context was empty and to me, frustrating but most of all it was anti-climactic. Sneaking passed some infested, maybe brushing up against them ever now and then. You'd think there would be some supermassive war going on, like infested pouring out of opened orokin rooms but nope. The Grineer are quite friendly and only spawn from one location, one at a time.

OH AND OMG I'M BLOWING UP THE SPACE PORTAL ER MER GER

*jumps through portal, slides on grind shooting at the portal dramatically*

And then it flicks off like a light switch.

Ohhh but thanks for the melee weapon DE. It might be better after the reworks you'll do in the middle of next year but at least now I can look semi-unique and at least now I have the opportunity to replace an my radiation with AWESOMELY EFFECTIVE SLASH DAMAGE.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

1 out of 5 stars.

2 out of 10 points.

blah blah blah. It was bad and DE doesn't seem to really be concerned. No Orokin Warframe mods??? No vanity gear that is the only form of amusement left in Warframe??? What about rare resources like a chance at rare forma stock pile or something??? Nope. Nothing. It's all just vendor trash or if you're a collector like me, it's just my CRAP to take up my valuable space. Who needs 4 more trash mods to cycle through on a 6 page god damn list of rifle mods, only 4 of which I'd ever stick to while the others are either trash or elements. Honestly just everything about it bugged me. Especially when their idea of "harder game play" is avoiding being 3 hit killed by a spray and pray Grineer squad. Not that you ever noticed because your Boltor Prime does 3k twice per shot. Oh my god DE this is bugging me!

[Davoodoo]

While experimenting with difficulty between making missions increasingly harder and us increasingly weaker, they made challenging enemy by accident.

 

These new mini bosses, ballista and manticore, they telegraph all of their attacks, got weakpoint instead of invulnerability phases and as long as you avoid their attacks they can be done completely naked.

My only complaint about them is that they die from 1 or 2 shots, everything else about them works and provides some challenge.

 

As for event itself, they nerfed everything, except most op aspect. Guns will still do max dmg.

Though i hope that de looks at this event and does some balance.

 

Also sheev...yet another dagger which swings slower than greatsword, why didnt we get another dual axe type class, looks would fit.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Davoodoo

[Squig]

While experimenting with difficulty between making missions increasingly harder and us increasingly weaker, they made challenging enemy by accident.

 

These new mini bosses, ballista and manticore, they telegraph all of their attacks, got weakpoint instead of invulnerability phases and as long as you avoid their attacks they can be done completely naked.

My only complaint about them is that they die from 1 or 2 shots, everything else about them works and provides some challenge.

 

As for event itself, they nerfed everything, except most op aspect. Guns will still do max dmg.

Though i hope that de looks at this event and does some balance.

 

Also sheev...yet another dagger which swings slower than greatsword, why didnt we get another dual axe type class, looks would fit.

Not even. Armor doesn't get touched, you want to be more survivable? Use Steel fiber. The biggest issue is that again the competition turns into a grind fest. Not really that fun.

[Archistopheles]

The fact remains past 16 exposure things do -not- get harder. At all.

That is a little disappointing, but it would punish casual players who wanted to keep running event missions for the loot caches

[SlyBoots]

except you can rerun the missions on earth, phobos and ceres without getting additional points. so anyone could farm the loot caches + vault all week. or even run earth all week and do phobos + ceres on the last day. all they've really done is make high scores pure grind instead of some cap because of too low health/shields/power duration.

 

(and i'm not even remotely interested in high scores myself but this is just disappointing.)

Edited September 18, 2014 by SlyBoots

[Archistopheles]

except you can rerun the missions on earth, phobos and ceres without getting additional points.

Great point. Are the rewards in the caches different from planet to planet? Or the same?

[traybong111]

Great point. Are the rewards in the caches different from planet to planet? Or the same?

 

I'm only at 12 points but I think the rewards are the same, at least the important ones, and since Earth is the easiest it also seems to yield better rewards consistently. I got several T4 keys just grinding there and almost felt sorry for myself. All the rage and frustration I went through with travesty that is the interception mission. 

[SlyBoots]

good question archi, and seems it got answered.

 

a sensible thing to do would've been to cap debuffs to the max points you can get per planet (so earth runs means only shield reduction and so on...) and make chances for good rewards from caches progressively better.

Edited September 18, 2014 by SlyBoots

[Davoodoo]

Not even. Armor doesn't get touched, you want to be more survivable? Use Steel fiber. The biggest issue is that again the competition turns into a grind fest. Not really that fun.

steel fiber still provides less effective hp than nerfed version of vitality or redirection for all but most sturdy frames and why would you need survi when you can still oneshot every guy except minibosses, which take 2-3 shots, i stripped my ember off everything and were still able to melee just fine, same with nyx.

[Squig]

steel fiber still provides less effective hp than nerfed version of vitality or redirection for all but most sturdy frames and why would you need survi when you can still oneshot every guy except minibosses, which take 2-3 shots, i stripped my ember off everything and were still able to melee just fine, same with nyx.

Arguable, but this and that(the subject of this thread) are entirely different. This competition is a joke. Stop with the bad event competitions for heavens sake.

[VergilDT]

The stats that weaken are primarily warframe ones. IE: Health/Shields/Power strength/Power Range/Power Duration. 

I stand corrected, went back and played with my stuff back to max and I looked and did notice my health stupidly low and 99 shield. I hadn't noticed before cause torid and molt combo keep me out of danger and I build armor on Saryn and Life Strike on Ichors, but when my decoy deployed and blew up right as i turned around I knew something wasn't right, and I ult'd for lulz and only the guy right next to me turned to goo.

[GolDraG]

heres my thought for OP: u should name your topics more accurately.

 

from what i understood, your isue is not with 0-15 progress, but what comes after : clan competition?

 

besides, if scale down continues u would be running with 1shield and 1hp before u reach 20thlvl.  besides the point that 80% frames i saw in there was rhino ...

[Squig]

heres my thought for OP: u should name your topics more accurately.

 

from what i understood, your isue is not with 0-15 progress, but what comes after : clan competition?

 

besides, if scale down continues u would be running with 1shield and 1hp before u reach 20thlvl.  besides the point that 80% frames i saw in there was rhino ...

My topic is named accurately, past 16 it's literally a competition grind of +1 at the same difficulty ad infinitum. The point remains it's a poorly implemented scoring system for something that's "competitive"