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[Theory] Orokin Technology And Why It Can Be Universally Applied


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Hi, Blakrana here with another theory.

 

Today, a thought strode into my head; just how do mods work, exactly? We know that we take a strangely shaped object and, through some means that is unclear, we apply that mod to a relevant weapon or article to change its functions. We know that we can improve mods through the use of Fusion Cores, and that mods have Polarities relating to the original Tenno clans.

 

However, how exactly would that work practically? What we're doing is taking the same mod device and applying it to a complex range of tools. The Braton has a different construction to the Gorgon, the Latron a different construction to the Boltor, and yet each of these guns have the full access to all known Primary classification of mods.

 

For the purpose of this discussion, I am going to ignore 'Gameplay and Story Segregation' in favour of trying to formulate a hypothesis that favours 'Gameplay and Story integration'. It's always been a preference of mine to see how what may be a mechanic may actually be part of how things 'work' in a given setting. Nevertheless, I accept the full likelihood I may be completely wrong.

 

Theory-crafting is just a touch of fun, at the end of the day.

 

Orokin Technology are adaptive technorganics

 

The first premise of my argument is, at the end of the day, the easiest part. The technology that we use, be it a Warframe, pistol, mod or whatever, are all capable of being Polarised with a Forma, and Super Charged with a Reactor or Catalyst, respectively.

 

For Warframes, this is fairly straightforward as we know they are an Orokin construct. This gets a little odd though when we look at things like our ability to mod Kubrows, however, or Grineer and Corpus weaponry, which are completely different with only the Seer Pistol or Anti-Moa showing attempts to hybridize Orokin technology with their own; limited, expensive and highly unique.

 

This leads me to infer the following; through the use of Forma, known for its shape changing nature, this enables an item to be 'jury rigged' to accept further Orokin based modifications. The reason we need a Forma to construct the majority of Clan Tech weaponry could be seen as preparing the modification interface that weapon will need in order to better serve our purposes.

 

Further more, the components in a Forma make an interesting mix: 1 Morphic, 1 Neural Sensor, 1 Neurode, 1 Orokin Cell. Morphics are 'an amorphous solid'. Neural Sensors and Neurodes are biotic interface technology however, being either engineered or 'naturally occurring' in Infested organisms. Orokin Cells may also have Morphics in their own construction. Regardless, when you look at a Forma, you have an arguably technorganic item, capable of altering the functions of anything it encounters, be it mechanical or genetic.

 

Therefore, Orokin Technology rested on their mastery of both technological constructs and genetic constructs.

 

The role of Mods

 

How, then, do mods work? Well, whilst we have sadly never been given a chance to construct a mod, merely find and augment it, I can only infer what a mod is made from. Nevertheless, I feel it is plausible that they use the same sort of basis as Forma do; if nothing else, I am sure that Mods would have some measure of Morphics in their construction.

 

Why? Because this means that the Mods we recognise when we look at them are merely their inert state. When we apply them to a receptive item, they alter form as necessary to provide their effect. When we destroy a weapon of an enemy or whatever, it forces the Mod to become inert if it isn't destroyed outright.

 

Simpler items, like most market weapons, arguably are easily redesigned by Tenno to be receptive to the technology; it may only take the use of Morphics. It is the more specialised technology which is harder to adapt without a prior format, hence the need for Forma. Further, this allows ready ability to apply Catalysts or Reactors, which also require Morphics in their construction; again implying that the shape we see may merely be the inert state for transport.

 

Regarding Kubrows

 

Whilst I have as yet to acquire my own Kubrow, needing admittedly to replenish my Credits, I do know that they are receptive of the mod system as it stands. This is where the organic and biotic components in Forma and Reactors come into play; because the Orokin genetically engineered the Kubrow originally, it stands to reason for them to be able to make a Kubrow receptive to post-birth genetic modification for whatever ends they deemed fit.

 

We know for a fact that the Orokin had an absurd degree of mastery over genetics. They created the Technocyte Virus and they use a mixture of organic and inorganic compounds in a good majority of Warframe components and Tenno related technology. Plastids and Nanospores see abundant use along with Neurodes and Morphics.

 

Leading to my suspicion that the usage of DNA Stabilizers for Kubrows is reflective of the alterations their genetic code undergoes whenever they experience modification. It's pretty much augmentation surgery upkeep, like in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. The Kubrow that we breed are modified strains to be receptive to these procedures without too severe repercussions.

 

After all, if I were to go into my genetic code, and say, flipped the genetic switch so I wasn't colour blind? That'd be an incredible demonstration of biological science, but I doubt that it could be done recklessly. Too much tampering and the repercussions may prove...undesirable.

 

In summary: Orokin technology surpassed merely technological and organic limits, being capable of interfacing with either via sufficient preparation of the article in question. Mods and all other Orokin items that we use may all have adaptive forms, allowing them to interface with a broad variety of weapons.

 

Further implications: it may be that this is why the Sentients were so great a threat. The Orokin's sheer extent of technological prowess was turned against them, leading them to rely on the one thing they never truly mastered; the Tenno and their mastery of the Void.

 

Hope this was fun to read, and I do apologise if I've made it hard for people to look at modding Kubrows the same way again.

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I like your observations, and humbly submit a few of my own that may complement them.

 

The idea that Orokin tech is in some way "organic" is helped with the Corrupted mods. Consider; purely mechanical devices would surely just break, and software would just be reduced to indecipherable gibberish. However, biological systems, when badly damaged, often heal improperly without assistance. I have experience of this myself - joints will cease up, flesh is scarred, etc. Corrupted mods fit with this theme - they have been damaged, resulting in negative traits, yet they are still clearly functional and continue to work in their original role to some extent.

 

Now, as to the ubiquitous nature of Orokin tech, I would submit that it is not so easily applied as might first appear. The only enemy units we see displaying anything resembling Tenno abilities are Eximus units - the rest, even if they carry mods, show no signs of using them. Thus, we can infer that the Grineer, Corpus, Infested and even Corrupted make very little use of Orokin "Mod" technology.

 

My reasoning behind this is that Orokin tech is linked heavily with the Void, and the Tenno make far greater use of that than anyone else. Their ships appear bigger on the inside; their vessels and stations can pass within spitting distance of enemy ships undetected; and and their Warframes display incredible, if not supernatural powers. The "Polarity" system represents attuning a device to better channel particular void energies, and the act of leveling up frames and equipment to hold more / stronger Mods could be interpreted as being a mechanical short-hand for attuning the Tenno technology to better interact with Orokin tech.

 

Now, we know Tenno can equip Mods to non-Tenno / non-Orokin weapons as easily as Tenno / Orokin ones, so how do we explain that if the 'native' owners of said tech can't? Once again, the answer lies in the Liset's forge. Virtually everything we use in game is obtained from the Forge, and what isn't is usually a variant on something that is. Thus, it is a fair extrapolation that every piece of Tenno tech we have originated from a Liset Forge, or a comparable construction system. In short, if you are armed with a Grineer rifle, it's not actually Grineer - it's either a Tenno copy of Grineer technology, or Grineer tech that has been modified by the Forge. Modified how? Why, to make it compatible with Orokin tech of course!

 

Now, let's go back to the "Orokin tech is sort of alive" thing and rationalise leveling up. Let's say Excalibur just crafted a Lex in the Forge. The weapon has been modified so as to be Void-compatible, and now contains a few basic Tenno / Orokin technology fragments. However, the weapon itself is inert - it does not interact with the Void by itself. The Tenno must enable that connection. How? Through combat of course! The exact mechanism could be as simple as exposure to Void energy via proximity to a Tenno Warframe, or something more mystical (perhaps the device must be 'shown its function' to awaken the Void connection?). It might be that the Tenno must become familiar with the device, learning the specific nuances of how Void energy flows through the device and making minor adjustments accordingly. This is also why you have to start over if you buy a new version of an old weapon - the two have different interactions with the Void, necessitating unique 'tuning'.

 

Final thought - why do Stance Mods not only open more Mod space, but make you better with the weapon? Here, I would like to point to the Warframes themselves and note how each one has unique abilities. Even if it is the same Tenno using each Frame, none of the powers carry over. In essence, the Tenno empowers the frame, but the frame focuses that power in a unique way. The Stance Mod, then, could not only attune a weapon to be more void-receptive, but it may also unlock inner knowledge for the Tenno. After all, the Orokin were masters of technology, so why waste months and years training someone to be a perfect soldier if you can hand them a sword that makes any Tenno carrying it a master duelist as soon as he picks it up?

 

I hope you enjoyed my ramblings. :)

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Interesting take, particularly with the Corrupted Mods being damaged mods that 'healed' poorly. A mix between faulty software and a broken bone...

 

Beyond that, the notion of Void energy interaction with weapons does seem plausible; I believe the Lotus stated that, for Shifting Sands, the Grineer had taken the liberty of using Void scanners so the more powerful equipment and Warframes would have a harder time eluding them. Whilst that's the Conclave rating in game...the fact that it boils down to the Weapons we have equipped and how we've modded them...certainly lends credence to your theory of Void energy in weapons. Conclave then may actually be considered a measure of the total Void energy imprint a Tenno and their equipment has...something that the radio chatter on the Liset also discusses.

 

Furthermore, the 'fine tuning' does make sense as that's basically why we're busy gaining Affinity with our gear. Considering the Asiatic themes the Tenno draw from, could it not be that it'd be the cultural parallel of honing the 'spirit' of your weapons, akin to the samurai and their katanas? In a way, we're 'honouring' our equipment through practised use.

 

In as far as Stance mods go, it could be considered akin to 'waking the spirit' of the weapon. Between the energy of the Warframe itself, the possible Void Energy in the weapon through the Mods equipped, it may lead to a sort of 'resonance' point, where the Tenno and the Weapon become a more distinct 'whole'. Certainly works well considering the mysticism Tenno martial prowess holds.

 

And it seems we are in agreement that Tenno constructed equipment would have been altered in order to be compatible with the Mod technology...however that may go about. All told, the implications of all this is very interesting...

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There was an event not long ago (on the PS4 version at least) involving prototype Zenuka / Hyena type enemies. One of the requirements was that your total Conclave rating was 700 or less - any more would trigger a "void sensor" and alert the Corpus to your approach. This can be taken as further verification that Conclave is a representation of total void energy, and since Conclave changes depending on weaponry and mods equipped to weaponry then there is definitely a connection.

 

I can agree on the cultural themes within the Tenno, and the Samurai ideal that the weapon and warrior are one certainly looks like it could play a part. Tenno are masters of the "old ways" after all, and in our modern, disposable age the idea of something being irreplaceable - a weapon that is intended for one person alone - is certainly "old".

 

A variant on what I said before could come from the Skana lore. It says all Tenno learn to use the Skana, yet we have to master it just like any other weapon. One possibility, albeit a little stretched, is that the Tenno are masters of a huge array of weapons and warframes, but that mastery is somehow locked away. To try and use an analogy, the Tenno are doing a juggling act - they can only keep so many balls in the air at once.

 

If I may, I'd like to share a quick thought on Forma. Forma allows us to make Frames / Weapons / Companions more "attuned" to Void energy, but at the cost of all the experience amassed thus far. It can also only be done with a fully mastered recipient. I think I can find an explanation for that. The former is simple - when you change the polarity of a slot, you change the nature of the object. It is reforged anew, and must be tuned the way a new item is. But the latter part ties nicely with the Taoist themes of the Samurai. To Forma a Warframe, for example, you must be in perfect harmony with that frame. You must know it intimately, as though it were your own flesh. To try and change the nature of a Warframe without fully understanding how it interacts with the Void could destroy it, or worse yet, destroy you. Thus, as part of the act of using Forma, the receiving equipment is brought to a state of perfect harmony; it is at once fully immersed in void energy, and also utterly free of its influence.

Once a Forma is performed, the process can begin again - the Tenno takes what they knew and learns the new ways in which the Void interacts, and can ultimately produce something far stronger than they had originally.

 

A random, spur of the moment thought - no other faction shows this level of 'zen' mastery of equipment. The Grineer just hammer together what works; the Corpus roll everything off automated lines; the Infested twist and pervert seemingly at random; the Corrupted simply take what was there and turn it to a new role. No-one but the Tenno show any indication of being able to attune themselves to the Void, and Void-enabled technology the way we've hinted at here. So, let's look at the Eximus - enemy units that appear to have some degree of "Void" technology or power. What unites all Eximus? The weird, sickly glow! That aura might be Void energy! The reason we don't see it on Tenno is that Tenno harness that energy properly, whereas on the Eximus it's being handled incorrectly, like a square peg being driven into a round hole by way of a sledgehammer. As an aside, the etymology of "Eximus" appears to be the Latin "exeo", meaning "exit". What exactly is exiting them? Unstable, untamed void energy, perhaps?

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It's discussions like this that make my day. I mean, that whole 'taoist' parallel? Beautifully put. Perhaps that could also tie in with how, despite remembering nothing of our pasts, Tenno nevertheless can take up arms, of any type, and show mastery with it. We may not remember the trauma, but our hands forget not their skill. We are at our core, warriors, regardless of how little we have.

 

And I am going to have to say that devotion to anything is certainly 'archaic' in today's consumerist world. If it's new, people throw out the old, even if it's still working. Tenno take something which others may consider 'trash', and then do things to it until it exists on a whole different tier of power; take the Akmagnus. After 4 Forma, I've gotten them to do 55% Crits, 3.2x Crit damage, with about 86% Status chance on top of 2.1 Punch through. Stability and multishot just means I can snipe stuff with them. Next on the agenda are my Akbolto and Latron Wraith. The net result though is that through devotion these will all pay back leagues beyond what they did originally.

 

Either way, very inspiring from a storywriting perspective; just picture a reawakened Tenno finding that blade that never fails them...that they take into every battle. Is it martial prowess, the raw power of the Void...or is it the spirit of the pair tied together through battle? As you say, Tenno martial and military strategy revolves around a completely different axis to the other factions. Every action is an expression of martial art and prowess, whereas the Grineer and Corpus can only demonstrate force.

 

If the Eximus are indeed those Elite 'lucky' few who have undergone Void exposure or have been trusted with rudimentary mod interfaces, then it may be possible that the 'Aura' we see is the Tenno's way of 'registering' the nature of a particular threat; I'm pretty sure that to anyone not Tenno, our diversion skills like Decoy and Molt don't look so obviously fake. Augmented Reality has it's perks, after all. It's an interesting hypothesis, certainly. It may be, of course, that the term was used because it admittedly sounds cool, but considering the number of interestingly chosen words that exist in game already...we can't rule it out just yet.

 

I've said it before, I'll say it again; Theory Crafting is fun~

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If the Eximus are indeed those Elite 'lucky' few who have undergone Void exposure or have been trusted with rudimentary mod interfaces, then it may be possible that the 'Aura' we see is the Tenno's way of 'registering' the nature of a particular threat; I'm pretty sure that to anyone not Tenno, our diversion skills like Decoy and Molt don't look so obviously fake. Augmented Reality has it's perks, after all. It's an interesting hypothesis, certainly. It may be, of course, that the term was used because it admittedly sounds cool, but considering the number of interestingly chosen words that exist in game already...we can't rule it out just yet.

I believe we may be able to expand on this with the help of Solar Rails.

 

Opposing forces in the Rail conflict glow very strong red - far more strongly than Eximus units. Since these units are Tenno - either directly or otherwise - it is reasonable to conclude they will have a very strong Void presence.

 

So why don't all Tenno glow red? Because the Rails are the only place where we see Tenno in conflict with one another. If we assume that the Tenno seek to attain harmony with the Void energy, then disharmony may project itself as a visible aura to those suitably attuned. In effect, when two Tenno become opposed to one another, they seem to glow red.

 

Now, let's run down the checklist of possible counters and contradictions.

 

First, Dueling. Tenno do not glow red in duels. However, dojo fights appear to be little more than practice sparring, and as such do not represent a clash of ideologies and the associated discord.

 

Next, "Friendly" Eximus still have the glowing red aura. To this, we can conclude that it is not enough to be temporarily aligned to one another - a Tenno fighting alongside Corpus against the Infested does not consider the Corpus an ally; he simply recognises there is a more urgent threat, and sees value in a temporary cease-fire.

 

Alternatively, the nature of the Eximus and their methods of attaining Void power may be so fundamentally at odds with the Tenno that they cannot perceive them as anything but an aberration.

 

To link with the above, the act of fighting over a Solar Rail is a fairly significant one. Solar Rails are the only way Tenno have to access the Dark Sectors, and they have many reasons for doing so; not only are these locations filled with Infested, which are perhaps the greatest threat the Tenno (if not all Humanity) currently face, but they are also rich in precious resources and valuable artefacts. Tenno Operatives routinely scour these regions for raw materials, and numerous cryo-pods and other ancient technologies have been found therein. To attempt to destroy a Solar Rail then is to deny all Tenno access to this region - a notion that could potentially allow irreplaceable technology or still-sleeping Tenno to fall prey to the Infested! This act of violence, bordering perhaps on the outright murder of fellow Tenno, is an act so severe that it causes a fundamental shift in Void energies - a shift that cannot be reconciled without conflict.

 

Of course, the same Tenno who fought against each other on the Rails may then join to fight against a common foe without any stigma of their past animosity. Perhaps this is something to do with the Lotus? Her unifying vision, and the common loyalty all Tenno share to her, may allow otherwise opposed Clans and Alliances to put aside their grievances and find harmony once more.

 

Or, in keeping with the eastern themes, perhaps the Tenno are enlightened enough that they can set aside even these most dire conflicts - when the war for the Rail is over, honour and tradition dictate both sides accept the outcome. Trial by the sword has declared which side was right, and with honour satisfied the Tenno can meditate and set aside their hatred of each other, bringing balance back to Tenno society and ending the disruption of Void energies that flow between them.

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I admit, I've never done a Solar Rail conflict because in all honesty, PvP bores me to tears. At least, when it's not in something like a TCG or board game; I'd rather have a friendly game of cards with someone than contend with who does or does not have ohko weapons on hand. Still, you raise interesting points.

 

To be honest, the conflicts could be argued to be...Tenno wargames. Exercises done so as to refine their skills and tactical abilities in the event they're attacked by outside forces. Yet to actually see it but I'd actually engage if I was fighting the Grineer, Corpus or Infested on the rails...you know, the whole 'Tenno are loyal only to themselves' thing. Bah, lore issues. Regardless, you make a reasonable hypothesis. It just depends on how much the Void influences and affects Tenno culture and society. It may be an entirely separate force and they build themselves up on the focus of ideals, martial ethics and combat prowess.

 

In as far as anything, I'm going to stick with it being a UI aspect of the Warframe armour systems themselves; by super imposing characteristics on dangerous foes, it allows a faster grasp of the situations to hand. Whether there is, as you suggest, a greater possible factor, shall be interesting to see come about.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again; Theory Crafting is fun~

 

Hi, some good points you make Blakrana, I also saw this points, I also want to add the possibility that orokin cell are actually void energy cells; we know the void is a bizarre space where probably the laws of nature work a different way or don´t exist altogether, in general we could say the void has a warping nature; I believe this warping nature carries on in void energy and the orokin learnt to used to alter matter and energy as is seen orokin cells are a principal component in shape altering forma and energy modification potatoes.

 

Indeed those void energy scanners gave us great insight into the working of void energy, we can deduce that mods are void energy fueled artifacts and modifying with forma or potatoes let us equip higher void energy mods giving us higher conclave level that efficiently gives a measure of void energy. I also believe in the incipient void technology from grineer and corpus, not only on eximus but remember also the aura of prosecutors; they create an aura that repells some forms of energy, for me that seems like void energy modifyin/disrupting energy attacks but  same as  corrupted mods it is unstable and brings with it a adverse feature: absorbing more damage from other energy. The grineer in the radio chatter said they detect void mass echoes, that goes to prove how efficient and sensing it they are.

 

This has brought me to believe that the affliction the tenno carry is the capacity to naturally see, absorb and manipulate void energy, and the auras of eximus and prosecutors can only be seen by tennos. As a side note I made a theory in which i indentify energy orbs as "drops" of void energy that seeped into the origin system and only tennos see them and use them.

 

About the issues in tenno loyalty, I think it still holds as a half true, ultimate loyalty is still to the tenno, but lore has mentioned the existance of clans, this simple term divides the tenno society into different groups that could have different interest or different opinions that lead to conflict, though it is still debatable if tenno conflict is tenno killing tenno of they are just defeating them without killing.

 

 

I believe we may be able to expand on this with the help of Solar Rails.

 

Don´t forget solar rails also work on void energy, such a large conductor of void energy could easily disrupt the energy on warframes, and thats why you start without mods and as you advance the conflict you stabilize your energy.

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Don´t forget solar rails also work on void energy, such a large conductor of void energy could easily disrupt the energy on warframes, and thats why you start without mods and as you advance the conflict you stabilize your energy.

Events and equipment may help explain this as well.

 

We know from the Dragon Keys / Corrupted Mods that there is tech out there that has a profoundly negative impact on Warframes. However, a Dragon Key only damages you while you carry it - once you let go, the Warframe is restored. On the other hand, passing through the portals in Gate Crash left a negative aura on Warframes that remained for some time, and in fact got progressively worse the more times a Tenno passed through the gates.

 

So, both of these lend support to the idea that exposure to whatever kind of energy the Solar Rail produces (either directly to function, or as a byproduct of its functionality) could indeed be very bad for a Warframe. What's interesting though is that the Dark Sectors themselves offer more xp, which we can interpret as them either having more Void Energy, or a different, more compatible kind of Void Energy that Tenno can use to attune their technology more quickly. The question there then is does this energy exist within the Dark Sector itself, or does that come from transit through the Solar Rail?

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Valid point Pavelord, and I admit I've been suspecting similar myself, so far as Orokin Cells being Void energy devices. The sheer reliance they have on the Void, despite never really understanding it fully, certainly paints an interesting picture. However, it may be that the Old War technology is in better condition when we raid/salvage Orokin Derelicts and Towers; it may be we're recovering more Tenno artefacts than Orokin, considering their stance on the Void as 'hellspace' where 'science failed them'. One way or another, it is exceptionally advanced technology.

 

Right now, the hypothesis sits like this:

 

1) Orokin Technology is technorganic and all augmentative devices, Forma, Mods, Reactors and Catalysts, are designed to operate with anything receptive to the technology, be it technological or organic in nature. This is implied by the materials in their construction, and the extent of usage they can see across items.

 

2) These items interact with the Void in some manner to augment a weapon beyond the limits it would originally possess. This is implied due to the fact that the Grineer and Corpus can and do use Void-energy scanners to try and track Tenno movements; the more powerful the Tenno's loadout via mods and equipped weapons, the easier they are to detect.

 

3) Mod technology can be used by non-Tenno, as seen by the nature of Eximus units and of the factions we encounter, however, the degree of use is potentially unstable. Eximi units are always shrouded in an aura of energy, a possible indicator of the Void contamination they may be experiencing as a result of some disconnect with the power, compared to a Tenno's abject mastery of such energies. As a result, they have a number of varying weaknesses compared to the 'intended' effect.

 

4) Tenno may be capable of perceiving the 'background' energy of the Void as it permeates normal space; this radiation can accrue in people and objects, resulting in the 'energy' packets we can find across the system. However, Tenno are not free to interface with excess amounts of Void energy; over exposure to Void Gates can severely hinder a Warframe, and conflicted Solar Rails have a destabilising effect on Tenno involved in that battle, potentially because the 'balance' of Void energy to operate their systems and mods is distorted. Further, it also establishes why different Warframes have different base energy limits; it is to prevent possible repercussions, compared to Warframes designed to heavily use Void energy.

 

5) Beyond circumstantial scenarios the existence of items such as the Dragon Keys, literally a Void Key corrupted with Ferrite, and Corrupted Mods, also have detrimental effects when in contact with a Warframe. However, they still retain a degree of their function, and in the case of the Corrupted Mods, it may be that they 'healed' incorrectly after being damaged, as per their supposed Technorganic nature. Dragon Keys then are simply what happens when a Void Key is altered or damaged in particular ways, resulting in Void energy interfering with a Warframe's systems whilst in contact with it.

 

6) The nature of Dark Sectors as a particularly effective training ground for Tenno, may be due to the requirement of a Solar Rail to reach them. Either the ambient Void energy of transit gives a Tenno an easier time attuning to those energies, or the closer proximity, potentially, to the Void, results in the same net effect. During Solar Rail conflicts, it may be that too many rails attempting to interface with the Void serve to compound the negative effects of overexposure to these energies.

 

I think that's all we have for now?

 

Either way, this is getting very interesting.

 

PS: I think I read the theory you had about the orbs, Pavelord, though it was certainly a while ago.  Was interesting, and we're seemingly getting ever more evidence to support the notions.

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. The question there then is does this energy exist within the Dark Sector itself, or does that come from transit through the Solar Rail?

Just checked solar rail entry, it saids it uses technology to distort the void, to reach inaccesible places, I think what we are looking at is places in the origin system that are hidden behind a thick cloak made by the void in a manner similar to the Bermuda Triangle makin inaccesible it inner layers,   I´m incline to think that transit poses the greater concentration o void energy, altough I´m of the theory that void energy seeps into the origin system and is ever present in very small quantities.

 

I came to the idea that the origin system and the void are in fact overlapping dimensions, and hold a deeper connection that we may have tought, it also serve the purpose of solving the void key-void energy paradox (what was first the void keys, or acces to the void to create such keys).

 

I think what happened to the portals is the same that happen with the dragon keys, we were informed that the grineer were using torsion beams I believe, and what happens next is important, while you only hold a dragonkey, in void sabotage the torsion beam probably corrupts the energy on the key, and the key send its energy to the portal and the portal is effectevely radiating the void energy necessary to hold open the portal but it does with the corrupted void energy. In my earlier post I suggested the affliction the tenno is seeing and absorbing void energy, going through this portals makes them absorb the corrupted energy and as dragonkeys do they get a penalty from the portal.

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Interesting. Certainly leads to curious situations, what with certain parts of planets being locked off behind Solar Rails...unless that's the region that Rail is found, rather than where it goes.

 

At any rate, we have mounting evidence that the Void is more than just this 'other place', but something that may interact with the more mundane realm we inhabit normally.

 

Could it be possible that, between the Void energy in their equipment and, hypothetically, the greater environment they encounter, Tenno draw some manner of essential sustenance from this? This isn't to say 'energy beings', though that's still plausible, but more that, our endless reserves of endurance for battle and physical tasks could be because we're able to 'subsist' on the Void background energies.

 

It's all this energy that enables them to fight at a level beyond ordinary beings, even heavily augmented ones like the Grineer heavies.

 

Which admittedly reminds me of something I noticed a while ago; both the Grineer and Orokin seem to have a high amount of hydraulics in their ships and equipment. Sure, the Orokin have a fair number of water features as well but...could it not be possible that the Grineer technology could be derived from Orokin technology, it's just so far removed from their present, akin to their failing genes, that it goes no further than that?

 

If that were to be the case, the possible implications are...concerning.

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Valid point Pavelord, and I admit I've been suspecting similar myself, so far as Orokin Cells being Void energy devices. The sheer reliance they have on the Void, despite never really understanding it fully, certainly paints an interesting picture. However, it may be that the Old War technology is in better condition when we raid/salvage Orokin Derelicts and Towers; it may be we're recovering more Tenno artefacts than Orokin, considering their stance on the Void as 'hellspace' where 'science failed them'. One way or another, it is exceptionally advanced technology.

In codex entries we found two concepts that we may want to put more attention and  that may help us dispel this hellspace argument: The Void Era and The Orokin Era: this two concepts would be analogous to space age, industrial era or the information era in which they were periods of discovery and great advances in their respective fields. 

 

The Void era would iniciate with the discovery of the void, hell space and blinding night,  tenno would be mutated here, war with the Sentients, creation of the infested. Long years of war.

 

The Orokin era could start with the rise of the orokin above the other humans and around the creation of the warframes, as it means they have a better understanding of the void, here they created solar rails and orokin portals, and now they can take the war to the Sentients. Most void technology would come from here, or something like it. 

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Could it be possible that, between the Void energy in their equipment and, hypothetically, the greater environment they encounter, Tenno draw some manner of essential sustenance from this? This isn't to say 'energy beings', though that's still plausible, but more that, our endless reserves of endurance for battle and physical tasks could be because we're able to 'subsist' on the Void background energies.

I would say yes: orbs; but thats me being bias, the only proof of pasive absorption of void energy we have are the energy and health regeneration auras and physicly tenno are not that much stronger than heavy grineer nor tireless, as stamina depletes incredibly fast, with the earlier idea on orokin cells we deduced that warframes are powered by void energy, primes even more as they use 2 or 3 cells, does tenno need to provide energy for the warframe?, knowing mods are orokin artifacts means warframe powers were created by the orokin for each warframe,so powers don´t come from the tenno; if the suit has the powers and the energy what is the role of the tenno wielding it, maybe they are Void radioactive and are constantly absorbing void radiation/energy, the warframe contains it and they recharge the cells in their suits when depleted?

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In as far as the Eras go, I think it's more likely that the Void Era was still part of the Orokin Era, but it was a long while before the Sentient War.

 

After all, the Sentient War by the few snippets we have seems to have been exceptionally costly. The entirety of Orokin advanced technology was backfiring horrendously, and their last ditch attempts with things like the Technocyte Virus also failed. This led them to a 'Godzilla threshold' in turning to the Tenno and giving them literally the most 'advanced' archaic tools they could.

 

So, in a timeline it goes:

  • Void discovered 

     

  • First encounters are costly; survivors became Tenno, shunned as pariahs of the Void Era~

     

  • Void technology advances as the Orokin Empire continues to improve their understanding of it 

     

  • Solar Rails allow travel to other star systems; 'blue star' is home to alien entities, the Sentients ~

     

  • War occurs, Orokin technology becomes a liability the more advanced it is

     

  • Desperation leads to the creation of the Technocyte Virus; fails in application ~

     

  • Last resort in using Tenno and their Void-derived abilities

     

  • Tenno successfully combat the Sentients, saving the Orokin Empire

     

  • At Terminus, the Tenno execute the Orokin Emperors on the ninth beat of the Naga Drums~

     

  • Orokin Era ends; Tenno enter cryosleep~

    ~ : Hypothetical time point/potentially suspect sources

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With regards to the comment about Tenno getting tired, I meant more in light of their near endless capacity to fight. Even if we diminish stamina, it's very temporary, and there's even a mod to restore it faster. It may be that the Warframes themselves are necessarily augmentative, but the systems in place have safety limits to prevent the Tenno doing irreparable damage to either themselves or the Warframe through over exertion? This is conjecture, but it does feel reasonable to ask whether Tenno actually get tired in the way we would understand it. Probably yes, they do, but how they go about recovering is a mystery.

 

However, Vor's metaphor concerning Tenno to Warframes does give credence to them being the source of power:

 

"We've been wrong all this time. Tenno do not control the Warframe's divine energy. The Tenno are that energy. Each Warframe that you control is merely a glass shaping your furious light."

 

Sourced here

 

As much as people like to go 'he's insane', honestly, he's making a reasonable statement considering his in-context limitations. Taking this in mind, then, and what we've discussed currently, then it looks like the situation may be as follows:

  • Tenno are inherently suffused with Void energy, but have no necessarily predefined expression of that power

     

  • The Orokin constructed the Warframes as a focus for a Tenno. Each Warframe classification are a lens that helps a Tenno direct the Void energy in a desired manner, giving them greater control at the cost of being limited to the specifications of their Warframe. However, by refining their energy to a specialised point, it is possible the effects are significantly more powerful than without the suits; this could be why Kaleen, in the Ember Lore piece, is merely scarred by the burn, not a pile of ashes. Without a focus, let alone experience, a Tenno child (~) could only do so much in fear.

     

  • This leads to the nature of the organic components used in the Warframes to be a biological interface. As far as we understand, machinery cannot be affected by the Void beyond the usage of mods, Corrupted Moa being simply reprogrammed by the Neural Sentry, an Orokin construct, so in order for the Warframes to focus and direct that energy, it has to be partly 'alive' to do so. Whether this means Warframes could possibly be aware in their own right is unknown, but plausible.

     

  • Once a Tenno has interfaced with the Warframe, their usage of it and equipment allows the Void energy to properly acclimatise, both themselves and with the Warframe itself. A Tenno is then a master of that particular 'expression' of Void power, should they don that armour again. Whether this means that a Tenno master could use any power so desired out of a Warframe, albeit at a diminished level of effectiveness, is unknown.
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Okay, got a few things I want to touch on now, so I'll try to keep the parts distinct.

 

On Tenno sustenance and "Orbs" in game:

It is entirely possible, given what we see, that Tenno can (and do) survive purely off energy. Specifically, certain kinds of Void energy.

 

Here's an interesting observation - the Tenno use a certain kind of "energy" for their Tenno Abilities, which appears distinct from their life energy or the shield energy sources. Likewise, collecting a health orb (or having energy fed directly into your frame by a Tenno aura or a "reviving" ally) allows the Tenno to recover physical trauma and continue fighting. There are three other kinds of energy orbs we've seen - a green one that restores stamina, a white one that increases xp, and a purple one that contains blueprints. So, just as our equipment can draw different kinds of energy to power the Mods, a Tenno draws on different Void energies to satisfy different needs. Void energy as an information exchange is a potentially interesting concept that is probably worth looking into more.

 

On the Corrupted MOA:

Just a note here - Corrupted MOA are Fusion MOA, but I think the Corrupted version came first. The Fusion MOA (and Anti-MOA by extension) do not follow the Corpus design philosophy of "function over form." They have smooth curves and organic lines, and the Fusion MOA is even sport Orokin colours! As such, I don't think that the Corrupted MOA or Corrupted Osprey are "Corrupted" at all - I think they are Orokin built automatons controlled by the Neural Sentry in the same way Corrupted are. Presumably, the Corpus were able to salvage some of these MOA and get them working again, or perhaps even begin to build new ones using Orokin designs. The "standard" MOA is likely the Corpus' initial, and most successful attempt to copy the Orokin model. Likewise, the Osprey could well be the Corpus copying Orokin combat drones and later giving them additional functionality, while the Orokin "shield drone" remained beyond their means to duplicate due to its bizarre, and likely Void-heavy method of propulsion.

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Valid point on the Corrupted Moa and Drones. It actually makes a lot of sense with the existing Corpus worshipping of Orokin technology after all.

 

However, let's look at the Void some more, as a means of communicating information. We do actually already have a precedent for that; the Hidden Messages quest.

 

In this quest line, Lotus seems to be affected by something, specifically a Void Imprint. If I understand the context correctly, Mirage's last moments are 'engraved' on the Void, viewable only to either those receptive to these energies, such as Tenno, or people who knew her in life/were there at the time. We don't know whether or not the Lotus is a Tenno, or even alive/not an AI, but we do know she was with Mirage in her last moments all those years ago; so long ago that the return of memories she should have confuse her somewhat.

 

What's important to note, here, is that these Void Imprints are not 'found' but rather experienced. Mirage's final moments seem to have been enough for her to basically leave a 'Remember me' on reality. A Tenno grave-marker, perhaps. The net result is that these Imprints culminate in the tangible information to construct the Mirage Warframe, complete with engravings within the parts leading to the others.

 

Could, then, the Void be a domain where the psychic energy of a being can be 'stamped', observable after the fact? Whilst there's energy to give us power, health, the existence of items like Affinity orbs and Blueprints are something all together removed from a mundane reality. What if the power of the Void is not simply that of a different dimension, but rather the raw psychic force of the ordinary realm, accessed only by those with particular traits or sufficiently developed technologies? The aforementioned items then are the psychic imprints of these objects 'coalescing' in material space, for any capable Tenno to acquire.

 

In this interpretation, could the Void be considered the Warframe equivalent of the Warp in Warhammer 40K? The parallels with the Void, particularly its 'hellish' aspect, are interesting.

 

If, indeed, the Void is a psyonic realm, then surely the power of the Void is the power of whatever the mind can conjure? To the human mind, is it so hard to imagine defying physics, after all, to imagine walking on water? The only distinction then is the Void touched Tenno can actually do that.

 

Of course, if this also leads to the potential that there are as of yet unseen things hiding in the Void, well...we'll have one hell of a fight on our hands.

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I´ve always like the analogous relation warframe powers have with psyonic powers, fits better than magic and Nyx wears it like a glove. I´ve been thinking the same that void imprinting is kind of a psychic impression on energy think the main character of The Dead Zone. This warp thing sounds interesting.

 

Another point I derived from this line of tought, is that the infested might as well been "afflicted" by the void (maybe return this way by the sentients), a more basic form of void energy manipulation can be seen in ancient eximus auras, healing auras and leech (trinity like powers) auras, also by the fact that infested material is used as a warframe component most commonly the systems, I think those would represent the biological circuitry and wiring to conduct void energy in the suit, on of the threads of Nearly Dedicated tried to analyze those circuit like patterns that appear when manifesting warframe powers; It could potencially explained why infested see tenno as their own flesh, since warframe suits are like a symbiotic second skins for tenno.

 

Also as components in weapons, some would have infested tissue and and circuits, as if the guns needs a neural link, is that why guns don´t have triggers, you just will it to shoot?

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, a Tenno draws on different Void energies to satisfy different needs. Void energy as an information exchange is a potentially interesting concept that is probably worth looking into more.

 

this is why I think black orbs/nav coordinates are actually void energy imprinted with space coordinates, the first you get from all factions but golem coordinates only from infested, but you´re not stealing maps from infested, you are taking the knowledge they have and you gather several of this "memories" to put the information together on a derelict key.

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I´ve always like the analogous relation warframe powers have with psyonic powers, fits better than magic and Nyx wears it like a glove. I´ve been thinking the same that void imprinting is kind of a psychic impression on energy think the main character of The Dead Zone. This warp thing sounds interesting.

 

Another point I derived from this line of tought, is that the infested might as well been "afflicted" by the void (maybe return this way by the sentients), a more basic form of void energy manipulation can be seen in ancient eximus auras, healing auras and leech (trinity like powers) auras, also by the fact that infested material is used as a warframe component most commonly the systems, I think those would represent the biological circuitry and wiring to conduct void energy in the suit, on of the threads of Nearly Dedicated tried to analyze those circuit like patterns that appear when manifesting warframe powers; It could potencially explained why infested see tenno as their own flesh, since warframe suits are like a symbiotic second skins for tenno.

 

Also as components in weapons, some would have infested tissue and and circuits, as if the guns needs a neural link, is that why guns don´t have triggers, you just will it to shoot?

 

The Warp is a lot, lot nastier than the Void to be honest, however the possibility that the Void is a possible Psyonic or Spiritual energy realm could go a long way to explain its 'otherness' to this reality. It's interesting how the Void seems described as this terrifying, dark place and yet, what we see of the Void is this bright white...almost ethereal stillness. Is this the hellspace the Orokin spoke of? Is this really the realm the Stalker supposedly lurks from? Whatever the Void is, the power it holds is certainly seeming more ethereal than merely a different set of rules. Considering the earlier comments about Tenno culture and spirituality, it makes a lot of sense; a strong soul is more readily able to wield whatever powers it may bring. Could Corruption then not only be the power of the Neural Sentry, but the inability for the Grineer, Corpus or Infested to actually handle the loosing of their inner spiritual energies, if indeed they have them?

 

As Lenneth Valkyrie says: Weak souls succumb most quickly to evil~ (Yes, I like Valkyrie Profile)

 

Meanwhile, the Infested are a product of the Orokin, through their Technocyte Virus, their interaction with the Void could be part of some designed evolutionary trait. Infested are, at the end of the day, the ultimate cannon fodder army. But if, like theorised above, the Void is Psychic/Spiritual power made real, it leaves some very chilling possibilities about just what an Ancient could be. Either they're really old Infested...or their what happens when a receptive Infested victim becomes inundated with more power than they can contain.

 

Even then, the number of articles we use that have even a trace of Infested tissues involved in their construction, be it Nano spores, Plastids, Mutagen or Neurodes...the implication that nearly everything we use has in part a 'live' network to make even the most mundane Tenno weaponry a Technorganic device capable to interface with the Void fueled Orokin Mod technology...it certainly throws a whole new light on how the Infested can be confused, for lack of a better word. After all, they're basically trying to understand why other supposed Infested are killing them.

 

Whether that's because the Tenno are partly Technocyte infected themselves as an amplifier or whatever for the Void power, remains to be seen.

 

this is why I think black orbs/nav coordinates are actually void energy imprinted with space coordinates, the first you get from all factions but golem coordinates only from infested, but you´re not stealing maps from infested, you are taking the knowledge they have and you gather several of this "memories" to put the information together on a derelict key.

 

This is definitely looking to be ever more plausible. It makes things get ever more interesting, as then, well...here's something that'll keep us awake at night.

 

Could we find Void Imprints of our own pasts in the Old War, or perhaps even when we first became Tenno, hiding out there in the White? Could it be that what we may have forgotten, we can rediscover after enough excursions into the Void or Dark Sectors?

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Could we find Void Imprints of our own pasts in the Old War, or perhaps even when we first became Tenno, hiding out there in the White? Could it be that what we may have forgotten, we can rediscover after enough excursions into the Void or Dark Sectors?

+1 on Lenneth quote.

 

I think we should, I´m already leaning in white orbs being battle experience imprinted on void energy, but as I mentioned orbs are merely drops from the void, so they are very small quantities of information,  now we need to figure if Mirage final moments were a powerful emotional experience to leave a imprint or if she purposedly used her tenno power to manipulate energy into an imprint.

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The situation seems to be likely that Mirage went out in such a spectacular way, it left on impact on reality. I mean, she went into that battle purportedly laughing and smiling as she tore Sentients apart with her hands. Faced her death fairly good humouredly, considering the Lotus by the sounds of it was utterly desperate to do something to save her, but couldn't.

 

Although considering a Tenno's potentially strong spirits, should the Void be a spiritual realm, it does seem plausible that, in the face of oblivion, they record something of themselves on that reality in order to pass on whatever torches they're bearing.

 

A further thought on the Void: if the Void is a spiritual domain, could it react to the nature of those that observe it, to see what lies in the core of their being? The Tenno see a white, formless emptiness, an effective blank slate. Could the Orokin have seen something different in the blinding night, that chilled them to the cultural core?

 

(As for Lenneth, yeah, she's great. Was very satisfying getting her Best Ending. Add in the fact that Motoi Sakuraba composes wonderful music and yeah, good times...

 

"I shall engrave it on your soul!")

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On the Corrupted MOA:

Just a note here - Corrupted MOA are Fusion MOA, but I think the Corrupted version came first. The Fusion MOA (and Anti-MOA by extension) do not follow the Corpus design philosophy of "function over form." They have smooth curves and organic lines, and the Fusion MOA is even sport Orokin colours! As such, I don't think that the Corrupted MOA or Corrupted Osprey are "Corrupted" at all - I think they are Orokin built automatons controlled by the Neural Sentry in the same way Corrupted are. Presumably, the Corpus were able to salvage some of these MOA and get them working again, or perhaps even begin to build new ones using Orokin designs. The "standard" MOA is likely the Corpus' initial, and most successful attempt to copy the Orokin model. Likewise, the Osprey could well be the Corpus copying Orokin combat drones and later giving them additional functionality, while the Orokin "shield drone" remained beyond their means to duplicate due to its bizarre, and likely Void-heavy method of propulsion.

 

I like this tought certainly the corpus scavenge technology gave them the edge in robotics and energy weapons, there are some issues we need to sort out, one is the codex entry on fusion moas, it state that fusion moas are the latest in corpus robotics, that alone set them apart as improved over the original, it also said they are improved with salvage orokin technology, hence more similar design; that could mean the earlier models don´t need orokin technology and could plausibly be plain corpus made.

 

You´re correct on the colors they resemble the orokin faction colors, that could be corpus getting closer to the orokin technology, but we still lack the distinct golden "grills" of other corrupt units and the orokin drone, it also lacks the "orokin" prefix instead using the "corrupted prefix signaling as a unit that "change" sides.

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If I understand correctly, the golden ornamentation on Prime and Corrupted items, as well as its presence throughout Orokin Towers, is suspected to actually be Forma, used, as all things, for seemingly decoration.

 

In as far as the Corrupted 'crown' goes, this actually makes reasonable sense, as it would serve as the technorganic interface the Neural Sentry can then use to manipulate the enslaved masses.

 

And in terms of the Corpus Fusion and Anti-Moa, the most Orokinesque Moa proxies, the statement that they're the latest in Corpus technology does not mean they cannot be a return to more advanced prior technology. Indeed, one of the most overarching themes in pretty much all Sci-fi settings I've relative experience with have any current breakthroughs really be nothing more than the appropriation or rediscovery of ancient technologies. Halo, Phantasy Star Universe, Mass Effect, Metroid...it's a fairly recurring theme.

 

To be fair, however, this isn't actually so different from the truth; the Renaissance was entirely down to rediscovering old knowledge, leading on to new, deeper insight. And then we have gems like this, the Antikythera mechanism which is, in all respects, a 2000 year old analog computer.

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I´ve been meaning to look into gold and its conductive properties to see if an argument of gold as a better conductor of void energy could be made, you know how we use gold for electronic components but for regular apliances we use copper. As it could represent why prime models recover energy close to orokin traps; and orokin used it extensibly to power efficiently all their technology.

 

We know the orokin had lower guardians, we could speculate higher guardians and we also have the zero tech troops, how much they depended on robotic proxies is still a mystery, I agree for the corpus moving forward is actually going backward, and they are always getting closer.  So far the technologies we can correlate between corpus and orokin are:

 

-energy weapon technology

-shield technology

-shockwave technology

-void key technology

-brainwashing technology, as is hinted by Darvo and the Ascaris device, they have technology that correlates to the neural sentry.

 

But we have yet to see orokin robotics beyond the orokin drone, maybe both ospreys and moas are derived from the orokin drone, as we know they still can´t imitate orokin flying technology revealed in corpus ospreys and corpus jetpacks still needing combustion propulsors. This could imply there are no orokin bipedal robotics.

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