rockscl Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Build your new warframe and give the option to make it a hardcore warframe, Yes, like D3, you die, your warframe is lost, forever.- Updated November 27-Ok people, firstly, i want to say that, personally, if the people at Digital Extremes start to consider the HC for warframe, i would just ask them to put the HC as stated above, just the button in the foundry, in a alpha state so we can try and eventually agree or forget about this.I proceed to place togheter the most grounded ideas, so people can jump into the conversation without scrolling 9 pages of Normandy Beachesque chat heheheHardcore Mode:1 introductionRaw: optionally, a warframe can become a hardcore warframe, as in other referenced games (Diablo 3, Path of Exile) the warframe will be lost forever upon deathCooked: The hardcore is present in some prominent games, such as D3 and PoE, this mechanic offers a high degree of replayability and a constant challenge to end game players, this mode was suggested as a mean to give a new breath of risk, thrill, adrenaline and glory to warframe but, eventually, the idea gained some muscle and shaped into a endgame mechanic with some degree of ambitious complexity that worried a segment of players about giving DE too much distraction from fixing and balancing the existing stuff, not to mention the high possibility of death by bugs, and im not talking about the infested, its about the game spawning you under the floor by example.HC in the hot topic poll:https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/350287-november-21st-community-hot-topics/The idea has noticeably polarized the community, however as the hot topic poll shows, theres at least a 70% of potential people backing this idea, so, in order to target these people, this doc hopefully will motivate em all to support this.2 Main IdeasOur action have consequencesThe frames are the hearth of warframe, they are conceived, born and grown in a world where they cant be lost (and thats ok), this is what we call normal mode, so in order to make hardcore an addition and not a people stealer from normal mode, some ideas have been suggested, some are not totally hardcore, however are good ideas for endgame and continuous pve motivation, here are most of the ideas, with link for the most complex ones:2.1 HC mode unlocking options: Choose it at the foundry, before crafting the warframe. Only available for players that completed the starchart. Choose it as you login. 2.2 Relation by Rewards suggestedThis idea means “just give hc, and put these rewards somewhere”: Unique mods Increased(really increased) drop rates No kubrow and/or argon decay. 2.3 Total HC, separate arsenal, no shared items items from normal cant be shared with hc nor viceversa upon death, everything is lost, nothing will remain 2.4 Not so HC, temporary lockingupon death, the warframe is locked for a time2.5 Relation by Leader boards and Short seasons(aka Ascension mode)The idea is a system that would put relation between normal mode and hc with a seasonal competition for Glory, presenting short seasoned(weeks) PVE races, with leaderboards and some bit of corpus tech behind.You will pick some of your frames, put them in the run, and as they fall, they are out of the season and wiped forever, eventually, one of them may ascend, and gain a place in normal mode with higher stats than normal, like gladiators gaining their freedom, can this be any cooler?Full idea here:https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/341404-add-hardcore-warframe-mode/?p=39151372.6 Relation by Prime parts RNG boosting tokens(aka Pilgrimage mode)Other than the sadists seeking for HC mode as a prize itself(aka me and HC backers) seems like nobody can think about any prize worthy of risking a frame, this is my personal point of view: i think that warframes are the actual bigger reward in this game, thats why people dont want to risk them, and that is perfect.Thus whatever comes as a reward from hardcore mode must be bigger than a common warframe, must be below the normal mode and must point towards normal mode`s prime frames and weapons wich are possibly the only thing thats more valuable than a normal frame, so, in short words, i want HC to increase RNG for prime parts by giving consumable tokens, this is the idea i suggest:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xHxRxvNjh2Oh6r335ZUnIjRM7nVI61u5Chsx2UTMYp8/edit?usp=sharing3 HC`s specific, pure conditions Team mates can lift you up No self resurrection Bleed out timer increased Stalker, g3, zanuka and syndicate hitsquads chance 0, this chance will increase as the player progress reaching its normal chance later in the run Expose player`s mark in the squad making a player downed by the stalker cant be lifted Faster build times for warframes Heavily Increased drop chances Only hc warframes in the squad Warframe is lost upon death The warframe has its own inventory, wich is lost upon death Only certain mastery rank allowed or full starchart allowed No prime frames allowed for starter Limit number of restores carried Only can use hc built stuff 4 Unwanted deaths that should be adressed Melee weapon forced holstering animation after passing weird terrain Melee unable to change its vertical angle, making enemies unreachable when fighting them in ladders from above to below(with most weapons) Spawning under the floor Missile stunlock Enemy aimbot giving the host unfairly high chances to die Getting wrecked after host migration 5 Other nice features Hall of honor for the fallen ones with history of missions cleared, tennos saved, bosses killed, some heroic title Squadmaker, allowing to find a group of HC players Spectator mode, so people can enjoy watching us QQ after dying for whatever reason Edited December 1, 2014 by rockscl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Malware Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 *Boots up Farming simulator Warframe edition* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Rebecca Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The thought of losing my Nyx Prime on death made me almost cry. Now I can't stop thinking about what would be worth that risk in WF. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgax Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 but for only 100 platinum you could bring it back! Harsh joke aside. I must ask why? What would reward would it give you, higher affinity earn rate, extra stats or just challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiel Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The thought of losing my Nyx Prime on death made me almost cry. Now I can't stop thinking about what would be worth that risk in WF. Thoughts? Unique cosmetics are always the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekarubo Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Sounds like no fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Now I can't stop thinking about what would be worth that risk in WF. i concur. what is actually worth that risk? anything you gained while not in 'Hardcore' would obviously not be available in it, they'd be almost basically separate accounts. so then, what's actually worth the risk of dying losing everything you've ever done with that Warframe / Equipment? and probably losing the Equipped Mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Malware Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The thought of losing my Nyx Prime on death made me almost cry. Now I can't stop thinking about what would be worth that risk in WF. Thoughts? a small secret of the orokin would be really cool, like its a mission even the Lotus would ward against, because of the risk that there will be no recovery. this could very well be something like maybe a flashback or to go with he new augmentation. new ways to use your frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure what could be worth that risk, considering the amount of work or use some people have put into their frames and weapons. I have just over 46 million xp on my zephyr, and I wonder what risk of losing that what could be a reward that wont have people setting themselves on fire over a nerf request? Edited November 7, 2014 by ObviousLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) The thought of losing my Nyx Prime on death made me almost cry. Now I can't stop thinking about what would be worth that risk in WF. Thoughts? Some heroic degree, a dead warframe is a extinct one, a surviving one, is a Hero, the higher the heroic rank, the higher chance to oxium drops, or some other stuff xD Edited November 7, 2014 by rockscl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Motive cK Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 but for only 100 platinum you could bring it back! Harsh joke aside. I must ask why? What would reward would it give you, higher affinity earn rate, extra stats or just challenge? Somewhat a good idea I know I wouldn't risk any of my frames, well maybe volt. Reward would have to be th cost of the frame and what you have on it. In platinum. Ie 300for vauban, 20 for catalyst, depending on the mods if they get lost too or could be a bonus platnium. But I don't see this going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Really im the only one who would risk a WF just to rank as a brave suicidal tenno? xD I mean, glory, its just glory 0.o Edited November 7, 2014 by rockscl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrecentric Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Maybe you could risk your current frame as a potential way to get another frame, parts, or weapons, guaranteed (none of this void RNG stuff)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 No thanks, not interested in losing a frame because of some nonsense post patch insta death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RespectTheInternet Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I would do this if I could choose my rewards in any void mission . . . or at least influence what I will get. and make Kubrow eggs drop 200% more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temperance000 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 No reward is worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaerion Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Dark Soultors. My younger brothers are ready for this. Your Tenno revives shall be useless. Save your tears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockscl Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 I would risk a warframe just to feel the emotion of that risk, but if a reward is needed, what about some unique mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundervision Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) The thought of losing my Nyx Prime on death made me almost cry. Now I can't stop thinking about what would be worth that risk in WF. Thoughts? Suda's voice as a Liset AI? I'm ready to lose some frames for that x3 Dark Soultors. My younger brothers are ready for this. Your Tenno revives shall be useless. Save your tears... ( '^__^) Edited November 7, 2014 by Spectre-Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I would never play this. I have Terraria and Don't Starve for Hardcore missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 All that's asking for is the stalker to show up on your HC frame that doesn't have anywhere near enough mods to survive it and one-shotting it with absolutely nothing that could be done to prevent it.Or a random world break where you just fall endlessly to your death with no way to predict it or save yourself.Or a random arson eximus fire-wave...List goes on to the sheer amount of times RNG can just go "You're dead!" with nothing that could really save you.And there would only ever be 3 frames that would be selected to do this: Rhino Prime, Limbo (duration build for max rift-walking and damage avoidance), and Zephyr (Max duration Turbulence). No other frame would be survivable enough to last anywhere beyond the mid-planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg_Chen Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 May I suggest this is a pipe dream when missions can fail for no apparent reason, or you can glitch out of bounds and die through no fault of your own. Imagine the crying threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiel Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) All that's asking for is the stalker to show up on your HC frame that doesn't have anywhere near enough mods to survive it and one-shotting it with absolutely nothing that could be done to prevent it. Or a random world break where you just fall endlessly to your death with no way to predict it or save yourself. Or a random arson eximus fire-wave... List goes on to the sheer amount of times RNG can just go "You're dead!" with nothing that could really save you. And there would only ever be 3 frames that would be selected to do this: Rhino Prime, Limbo (duration build for max rift-walking and damage avoidance), and Zephyr (Max duration Turbulence). No other frame would be survivable enough to last anywhere beyond the mid-planets. Max invisibility rage qt loki? Or how about hysteria Spam Valkyr? they could just prevent hunter squads from spawning on those nodes. Edit: OOH thought of another two, Min duration max range miasma spam saryn and bubble walk frost! Edited November 7, 2014 by Drasiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumalauta Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I have all frames and enough parts to build frames for every soldier in chinese army. If there would be some nice rewards i'd hit hardcore mission when ever i have new disposable frame ready. About rewards which would suck me in hc-mission would be potato, slots, sack full of neural sensors, pretty costumes and colors. +1 OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObviousLee Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) pudding Edited November 7, 2014 by ObviousLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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