Woud Really Suggest To Buff Most Long Swords...

[Scherhardt]

For all of them have become very obsolete because of the power of the Dakra Prime.

Let us love our Dark Sword/Plasma/Jaw Sword again.

 

 

On a sidenote.

Update Iron Phoenix. It only has 2 movesets.

Edited May 27, 2015 by Scherhardt

[X3Evanescence]

Inb4 Dark/Plasma/Jaw Sword Prime

[Scherhardt]

Inb4 Dark/Plasma/Jaw Sword Prime

Those weapons including Fragor has been in the game since U8/U5. 

inb4 DE forgot about the old weapons.

Might as well remove them from the game if they aren't even being used. Like what they did to the snipetron.

[Evil_Brick]

In my opinion, the Longswords suffer from awkward stance combos that feel unnatural to use, especially the practically required Crimson Dervish, due to the innate damage boost.

 

The tripled damage from the Crimson Dervish is practically required, rendering that... other stance, underused. I propose that to rectify this, longswords should be buffed up in damage to more closely match Crimson Dervish, but the damage bonus from Crimson Dervish possibly be removed.

 

Of course, Longswords in general need to be more 'on par' with the Dakra Prime, it's no fun when a single weapon of a certain type utterly dominates and is the only one people use.

 

I also think that future stances, or even current stances, need to feel more natural. Let us move our feet while attacking DE! Crimson Dervish feels about as natural as running uphill on crutches with an anvil tied to our backs.

[Scherhardt]

In my opinion, the Longswords suffer from awkward stance combos that feel unnatural to use, especially the practically required Crimson Dervish, due to the innate damage boost.

 

The tripled damage from the Crimson Dervish is practically required, rendering that... other stance, underused. I propose that to rectify this, longswords should be buffed up in damage to more closely match Crimson Dervish, but the damage bonus from Crimson Dervish possibly be removed.

 

Of course, Longswords in general need to be more 'on par' with the Dakra Prime, it's no fun when a single weapon of a certain type utterly dominates and is the only one people use.

 

I also think that future stances, or even current stances, need to feel more natural. Let us move our feet while attacking DE! Crimson Dervish feels about as natural as running uphill on crutches with an anvil tied to our backs.

Agreed.

 

The animations of stances have been a nuisance to me since its introduction in U13.

I don't see a single stance that feels natural and efficient as the default ones.

They are nowhere near as good as some old charge attacks of fast weapons in terms of fluidity and realism. Can't wait to have those back. 

[Evil_Brick]

That's actually why i use the Dragon Nikana rather than the technically more powerful Crimson Dervish + Dakra Prime combo, the Dragon Nikana animations and movements allow you more freedom of movement and feel more fluid. Longswords are ailing, and need our help. Or rather the healing touch of Digital Extremes.

[Hatzeputt]

That's actually why i use the Dragon Nikana rather than the technically more powerful Crimson Dervish + Dakra Prime combo, the Dragon Nikana animations and movements allow you more freedom of movement and feel more fluid. Longswords are ailing, and need our help. Or rather the healing touch of Digital Extremes.

Ever used Iron Phoenix? 

[Evil_Brick]

That the whole point though, Iron Phoenix is so laughable in damage compared to the 3x damage multiplier of the Crimson Dervish.

[ThePresident777]

Why not get rid of obsolescence entirely and give the players the choice of which weapons they want to make awesome?  Weapon Tier Potatoes would make the game better.

[Evil_Brick]

No offense ThePresident777, but i think you murdered the thread with that. We want to discuss our ideas here, not go to a different and long thread and read or discuss there.

[Naqel]

The animations of stances have been a nuisance to me since its introduction in U13.

I don't see a single stance that feels natural and efficient as the default ones.

 

It's not just that the animations are extravagantly overblown.

The entire system strips the player of any agency beyond making due with the S#&$ty strings the devs decided on for us.

 

Those two things combined is an absolute crime, as far as game design goes.

[Scherhardt]

Ever used Iron Phoenix? 

 

Iron Phoenix is good if you want more freedom in movement but like Brick said its damage is laughable.

Not to mention it only has 2 movesets while other stances have 3-5.

[Epicagemo]

Iron Phoenix is good if you want more freedom in movement but like Brick said its damage is laughable.

Not to mention it only has 2 movesets while other stances have 3-5.

It's a different world in melee. Damage isn't everything. Utility is key. Iron phoenix can pop out it's utility in 1 second, as for crimson dervish, it takes 3 super slow swings. Big life and death difference. Sure the mob might die by then, but realistically, you have 5 others to deal with that aren't fun walking distance for the crimson dervish.

 

Jaw sword and Dark sword have their advantages in utility in which the dakra prime lacks.

 

Also, try out iron pheonix. The speed demon makes the difference and makes Crimson dervish the most boring stance in the game. Made me not want to go back to crimson dervish, even if the Dakra's natural polarity fits crimson dervish.

[Evil_Brick]

It is about damage though. Every single time. Or number of hits, which ends up in damage.

[Ve1indian]

Iron Phoenix is good if you want more freedom in movement but like Brick said its damage is laughable.

Not to mention it only has 2 movesets while other stances have 3-5.

Also iron phoenix eats stamina way too quickly T-T

 

only good things about it is attack speed and the fact you can sprint while swinging, but quick stamina consumption means it loses that sprinting advantage fast.

[420degreequicksopeswag]

 

Let us love our Dark Sword/Plasma/Jaw Sword again.

You forgot pangolin sword. I actually want to use that.

[GeneralArmchair]

Iron Phoenix is good if you want more freedom in movement but like Brick said its damage is laughable.

Not to mention it only has 2 movesets while other stances have 3-5.

As if the number of movesets matters 99% of the time.

 

Most of the uncommon stances with minimal movesets are superior to the rare stances because the uncommon stances have boring yet practical movesets while the rare ones waste time with fancy flourishes.

[cataclysmic8gladiator]

to be honest i didnt like that dakra prime at all, didnt satisfy me more than  other swords

[Scherhardt]

As if the number of movesets matters 99% of the time.

 

Most of the uncommon stances with minimal movesets are superior to the rare stances because the uncommon stances have boring yet practical movesets while the rare ones waste time with fancy flourishes.

 

They do.

More movesets = more options to kill, fancy or not variety is important, sometimes more utility or more damage.

Some people don't want to do the same thing over and over. 

 

I do agree there alot of uncommon stances that are way better than rare ones though.

[DSpite]

Why not get rid of obsolescence entirely and give the players the choice of which weapons they want to make awesome?  Weapon Tier Potatoes would make the game better.

 

No, it would not. But flogging that dead horse of yours seems to be your hobby.

[Nintenn064]

I agree that Iron Phoenix needs to be updated.

 

Aside from that it's really hard to justify using single swords in this game at all. They don't have anything that stands out compared to other melee types. :/ 

[420degreequicksopeswag]

 

Aside from that it's really hard to justify using single swords in this game at all. They don't have anything that stands out compared to other melee types. :/ 

They are supposed to be all rounders no?

[Nintenn064]

They are supposed to be all rounders no?

If that's what they're supposed to be then longswords aren't very good at being all rounders either. 

 

Staves and Polearms are much better at being good all rounder weapons.