A Very Dangerous Idea (Puncture Damage)

[Kainosh]

It will prolly make You rage and hate all over me...

Puncture and "Punch through" (I call it "pierce")

Mix these. That mean that puncture procs trigger punch through. Coz when bullet punctures stuff...shouldnt it go through? And vice versa...When bullet "punch through" shouldnt it puncture?

When shot through walls, puncture weapons will punch them through only if puncture procs on contact with the wall.

So you will be able to shoot through walls based on status chance.

That means that Lanka, Dread and all non puncture weapons that had innate "punch through" will be affecter (No more "punch through" for these) while weapons like Daikyu and such will be able to pierce stuff.

About "weakened" status on puncture proc. Instead of "nerfing" enemie's damage output by 30% it shoud INCREASE received damage by 20%. So if you proc your target with puncture, next shots will deal 20% more damage to that target.

I do realise that this is total rework of current system and will require full rebalance of existing weaponry....But I believe that Puncture and "punch through" MUST be merged somehow.

P.S. No, im not drunk.

EDIT 1

Now that i thought about it...Yeah. I think Some "special" weapons can keep that effect (As long as they visually "fit")

For example Dread can keep its punch through. Due to plasma arrows.

But Cernos shouldnt punch through. BLUNT arrows. These should stun enemies. Not just stagger...but stun. for ~2 seconds.

Lanka....It also can keep its punch through....But I would prefer it to chain like "Amprex" instead. Coz Punch through is EVERYWHERE and kinda boring already.

About punch through mods....These must go. Coz these can be slapped everywhere. EVEN ON ROCKETS. Freaking rocker that GO THROUGH ENEMIES without exploding....Thats not normal.

I think that:

Impact - stuns. (Tweak: Amount of impact damage determines stun time. More damage -longer stun)

Puncture - multiple enemies hit due to "punch through".

Slash - Bleeding (Its already the strongest effect of all..)

Edited May 27, 2015 by Kainosh

[K0bra]

No thank you.I like the actual system and i dont see any need for what you want.I dont even understand why you want that.

Edited May 26, 2015 by K0bra

[papatou15]

Dread? No more innate punch through?

 

Go away

[(PSN)OMGITSNUKERXD]

I'm not going to hate on you but tbch I find the system working well and maybe we should just focus on the new contents the game releases and how can we make it better not make a rework of it.

[ValkyrTheSoviet]

I feel that the puncture effect doesn't make sense.  How do you debuff a gun?  Maybe for melee, I guess that could work...

 

Puncture is at least better than impact.

[(PSN)JiggaJazz]

Puncture is the best physical DMG type and it already acts as slight "armor ignore" no matter how high leveled the enemies are.

[(PSN)MrNishi]

Puncture is the best physical DMG type and it already acts as slight "armor ignore" no matter how high leveled the enemies are.

Puncture does not act as 'armor-ignore' since Damage 2.0

It may have a % damage boost against Ferrite(50%) and Alloy Armor(15%).(I'm unsure if it provides a boost to Swarm armor-boosted infested)

[(PSN)JiggaJazz]

Puncture does not act as 'armor-ignore' since Damage 2.0

It may have a % damage boost against Ferrite(50%) and Alloy Armor(15%).(I'm unsure if it provides a boost to Swarm armor-boosted infested)

it does act as armor ignore to an extent simply because puncture has a nice bonus against armor units. obviously it does not literally ignore armor

[inBlue]

it does act as armor ignore to an extent simply because puncture has a nice bonus against armor units. obviously it does not literally ignore armor

 

It has a less than stellar status effect and is ineffective against unarmored. I'd say it's even with slash.

[Kainosh]

Now that i thought about it...Yeah. I think Some  "special" weapons can keep that effect (As long as they visually "fit")

 

 

For example Dread can keep its punch through. Due to plasma arrows.

 

But Cernos shouldnt punch through. BLUNT arrows.  These should stun enemies. Not just stagger...but stun. for ~2 seconds. 

 

Lanka....It also can keep its punch through....But I would prefer it to chain like "Amprex" instead. Coz Punch through is EVERYWHERE and kinda boring already.

 

About punch through mods....These must go.  Coz  these can be slapped everywhere. EVEN ON ROCKETS. Freaking rocker that GO THROUGH ENEMIES without exploding....Thats not normal.

 

I think that:

 

Impact - stuns.  (Tweak:  Amount of impact damage determines stun time.  More damage -longer stun)

Puncture - multiple enemies hit due to "punch through".

Slash - Bleeding (Its already the strongest effect of all..)

[Guest]

logically, it makes perfect sense

[(PSN)MrNishi]

Puncture does not act as 'armor-ignore' since Damage 2.0

It may have a % damage boost against Ferrite(50%) and Alloy Armor(15%).(I'm unsure if it provides a boost to Swarm armor-boosted infested)

  

it does act as armor ignore to an extent simply because puncture has a nice bonus against armor units. obviously it does not literally ignore armor

With Puncture only being +50% against Ferrite Armor and +15% against Alloy Armor and both of those Armor types usually protecting Cloned-Flesh:

Using your bonus damage as some 'armor-ignore' would have Viral which is +75% against Cloned-Flesh as a better 'Armor ignore'

Also regardless if enemy had 1million health with 1million Armor...viral status proc would still reduce health by 1/2 regardless of armor rating.

I don't believe the community regards Viral as 'armor-ignore'

[(PSN)ElZilcho]

Don't like it.

 

And doesn't the daikyu already have innate punch through like other bows?

 

P.S. People really need to start coming up with ideas that don't involve rebalancing every weapon, enemy, and scaling mechanic in the f-ing game. Seems like every topic I look at is "make this 'one simple change' and rebalance the whole game around it. you know, just that." as though it will be done in no time at all.

[ashrah]

some ppl are just bored and wish to nerf stuff

[MechaTails]

From a melee point of view, changing Punture to "increase damage you deal" is a terrible idea. The game is hostile enough towards melee players, we don't need yet another layer of protection taken away.