Nah_NotReally Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Affected items Alloy Plates Ammunitions Blueprints Circuits Control Modules Credits Ferrite Fieldron Samples Gallium Life Support Modules Mods Morphics Neural Sensors Orokin Cells Oxium Pigments Salvage Tellurium I really don't want to explain the obvious, but I know I have to for some of the community members. Natural logicians can stop reading now. Mag uses magnetism to pull her enemies by the metals in their bodies and armor. Greedy Pull is an extension of the Pull ability to allow the use of a magnetic pull on enemies and dropped items. By the laws of physics, only the items affected by magnetism should be affected by this extended ability. Because of this, there should be no effect on pickups not mentioned in the list above. Edit: Added credits. Meant to add them before posting since they seem to be metallic little pieces of currency and there's no info as to whether or not they're made of metal. Added Ammo. Edited June 29, 2015 by Joenorthrup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spr1ggs Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Why ask for nerfs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmicRex Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I agree. Inteligent nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madkiller2580 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I like the idea, it makes since, but I'm not sure if I'd like to have this. It makes logical sense, but not picking up ammo, and maybe heath orbs when I need it, is just a no for me. Cool idea, excellent way to nerf the augument, but please no lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I like the idea, it makes since, but I'm not sure if I'd like to have this. It makes logical sense, but not picking up ammo, and maybe heath orbs when I need it, is just a no for me. Cool idea, excellent way to nerf the augument, but please no lol.... I meant to add ammunition too, but forgot. Thanks for the reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark5eiD Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 good idea, so just a quick run down of what she will not be able to pull. health, energy, nano spores, air caps, my point is this will not stop the onslaught of gmags althought it would put a dent in the draco messa rep farm carp. when it comes down to it, i rather enjoy being able to have someone pull in health and energy for that matter. not sure this is the best solution. but very good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Madkiller2580 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) I meant to add ammunition too, but forgot. Thanks for the reminder. Ohh, well if that's the case, Then I'm all done for it. Let the nerfing begin..........Ohhh, I CAN"T!!!...I love my near unlimited energy....:( I'll just bring my trusty Trinity, never mind >_> Edited June 29, 2015 by (PS4)Madkiller2580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDSK-NXS Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 You could just put "this ability should not attract non-metal pickups like Energy and Health orbs, including the green orbs that seem to be boosters? (from what I have seen in raids). Every other pickup should be affected by this skill (also telurium is only in archwing and there is no greedy pull there).It would make the mod effective and also nerf the "mag-mesa" combo that the devs are trying to nerf (for obvious reasons) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) but everything in the Universe is affected by Magnetism. just because your fridge magnet doesn't stick to it doesn't mean it isn't affected by extreme Localized Magnetic Forces. you can use ElectroMagnetic Fields to redirect the path of Light. Et Cetera. - - - - - i know you pointed out that this isn't founded in logic. just so you know not to think i didn't see it. Edited June 29, 2015 by taiiat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 good idea, so just a quick run down of what she will not be able to pull. health, energy, nano spores, air caps, my point is this will not stop the onslaught of gmags althought it would put a dent in the draco messa rep farm carp. when it comes down to it, i rather enjoy being able to have someone pull in health and energy for that matter. not sure this is the best solution. but very good idea. It stops the Mag+Mesa combo and keeps the players moving, but it doesn't completely shut down the use of the augment. This way it is still a useful augment without it being absolutely necessary (like it is now). Right now, a Mag without this augment is like any frame without their signature ability and it should never be that way since these augments are supposed to be an optional change of equal or maybe slightly greater value. This augment right now is of a massively greater value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakatchi Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I remember when people complained about mag being useless. Now that she finally has something that makes her useful she needs it nerfed because people are abusing it to get exp quicker. Oh no. I know its really hard to imagine, but maybe her mod isnt the problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 but everything in the Universe is affected by Magnetism. just because your fridge magnet doesn't stick to it doesn't mean it isn't affected by extreme Localized Magnetic Forces. you can use ElectroMagnetic Fields to redirect the path of Light. Et Cetera. Mag, the Warframe, doesn't have cosmic control of all of magnetism. She's a good frame, but she's not on that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I remember when people complained about mag being useless. Now that she finally has something that makes her useful she needs it nerfed because people are abusing it to get exp quicker. Oh no. I know its really hard to imagine, but maybe her mod isnt the problem here. How is it hard to imagine that it isn't the mod? Of course the players are the problem, but the players run everything so everything must change around them. Like spoiled royalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark5eiD Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 It stops the Mag+Mesa combo and keeps the players moving, but it doesn't completely shut down the use of the augment. This way it is still a useful augment without it being absolutely necessary (like it is now). Right now, a Mag without this augment is like any frame without their signature ability and it should never be that way since these augments are supposed to be an optional change of equal or maybe slightly greater value. This augment right now is of a massively greater value. Im not arguing about the importance of the ability. i think perhaps if you tweak mags range down a bit and she will not be able to pull loot from all corners of a map would be a better approach for me is all i am saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Im not arguing about the importance of the ability. i think perhaps if you tweak mags range down a bit and she will not be able to pull loot from all corners of a map would be a better approach for me is all i am saying Yeah, a fixed range could definitely work too, but I really prefer logic over simplicity. If they do a fixed range, I'm cool with that, but I'll really appreciate a logical approach if they take that route instead. It really should be a metal thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark5eiD Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Yeah, a fixed range could definitely work too, but I really prefer logic over simplicity. If they do a fixed range, I'm cool with that, but I'll really appreciate a logical approach if they take that route instead. It really should be a metal thing. sorry if i am celebrating here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 doesn't have cosmic control of all of magnetism. i don't need to control 'all of the Magnetism in the Universe' to be able to bend Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grom-84 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 NObady gonna add special parameters to all possible loot types only because of a single warframe's ability! Instead things will be "fixed" in brutal and straight forward way as always) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibikiGanaha Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Gallium is not magnetic, for starters. Circuits, control modules, and neurals sensors would literally burn out from the massive induced electrical current from Mag's pull. Don't make an argument on half-baked logic when Mag can magnetize bone using void magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Gallium is not magnetic, for starters. Circuits, control modules, and neurals sensors would literally burn out from the massive induced electrical current from Mag's pull. Don't make an argument on half-baked logic when Mag can magnetize bone using void magic. For the sake of your family's name and the livelihood of your future children, I hope your joking with that hilarious argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climatiseur Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Have you heard of magnetization? Everything could be magnetized and affected my magnetic. Actually, you don't have to apply pseudo semi logic here, just say you don't want her to pull energy orbs because you don't. Coz it's just the same. And no, as said many times before, energy orbs is the core of the augment. You rather make another augment for her like other people suggested, pull enemies weapons away (Because they are metallic :D) and disarm them, rather then trying to make an augment useless and giving it to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Have you heard of magnetization? Everything could be magnetized and affected my magnetic. Actually, you don't have to apply pseudo semi logic here, just say you don't want her to pull energy orbs because you don't. Coz it's just the same. And no, as said many times before, energy orbs is the core of the augment. You rather make another augment for her like other people suggested, pull enemies weapons away (Because they are metallic :D) and disarm them, rather then trying to make an augment useless and giving it to her. I don't know how I still get surprised by some of you people. I choose logic over everything and you don't know that because you don't know me although I clearly showed that I am through this post. Check the other comments to see that I agreed with someone else who said that DE could restrict the range of the ability. That means orbs would still be affected and it would bother me on a logical basis, but it is a usable compromise. Like I said before, Mag doesn't have absolute cosmic control over magnetism. She goes from being able to control enemies via armor and metallic parts to being able to control them and the items around them as though her control is based on precision. Clearly she has a limit to what she can do, so logically her limits should be taken into consideration. Why do I have to explain these things to you people? Why is it that so many people refuse to think about anything they read? I'm so tired of people like you in this forum community. I swear you people really make me lose hope for the outcome of future gaming audiences. I mean that from the very depths of everything that is me. The mods will edit this because they know you can't handle being lectured and they are absolutely right. No need to respond, I've given up on you and everyone like you. I'm out Forum Community. I really can't stay around these simple people anymore and I'm tired of teaching them things they should already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climatiseur Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I don't know how I still get surprised by some of you people. I choose logic over everything and you don't know that because you don't know me although I clearly showed that I am through this post. Check the other comments to see that I agreed with someone else who said that DE could restrict the range of the ability. That means orbs would still be affected and it would bother me on a logical basis, but it is a usable compromise. Like I said before, Mag doesn't have absolute cosmic control over magnetism. She goes from being able to control enemies via armor and metallic parts to being able to control them and the items around them as though her control is based on precision. Clearly she has a limit to what she can do, so logically her limits should be taken into consideration. Why do I have to explain these things to you people? Why is it that so many people refuse to think about anything they read? I'm so tired of people like you in this forum community. I swear you people really make me lose hope for the outcome of future gaming audiences. I mean that from the very depths of everything that is me. The mods will edit this because they know you can't handle being lectured and they are absolutely right. No need to respond, I've given up on you and everyone like you. I'm out Forum Community. I really can't stay around these simple people anymore and I'm tired of teaching them things they should already know. You know, you mentioned I did not seem to try understand your point and such. Believe me, I actually did tried. Just like how I read your respond. However, maybe because I'm not native English, or for other reasons, I really can't understand your main point. You said you agreed that her range should be limited, just for you to know I also agree it, for the cone width. I don't know what are you talking about "being lectured" and such as it's the first reply I made in your post. Anyway, you seem to have some emotional problems and I highly recommend you to seek some help out of it. (I am serious.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicagemo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 then should crush stop working on infested? She magnetizes things which allows her to manipulate things like magneto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibikiGanaha Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 For the sake of your family's name and the livelihood of your future children, I hope your joking with that hilarious argument. xmfd nice ad hominem dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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