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Arkathor

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I'm just wondering did you guys in the design council had an option to vote for this band-aid or change it back to one bullet?

No, and honestly i could bet if there would be any Voting the Option with 1 bullet in clip would win.

 

BTW. the Forum is so slow, that it took me 15 min to send this reply...

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Arkathor

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I'm just wondering did you guys in the design council had an option to vote for this band-aid or change it back to one bullet?

No, and honestly i could bet if there would be any Voting the Option with 1 bullet in clip would win.

 

BTW. the Forum is so slow, that it took me 15 min to send this reply...

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Arkathor

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Just tested the Vectis P with the new mod, and the regular vectis without it, here are the numbers on lvl 1 grineer:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276381286412/47A4AFF52AA8C806ED8850924A80C7170CB88D50/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276381286785/AAE05267C1BC39EE8D86EEDFB34BFA9D4C4A9C5E/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

 

Vectis P on Grineer Lancer: 5133
Vectis on Grineer Lancer: 5225
Vectis P Crit:22588
Vectis Crit:22993
 
==> Vectis P deals less dmg... On other enemies it will be even worse cause of more puncture and less slash on VP, I used Viral and fire on Vectis and Viral and - mag size mod on Vectis P. 
 
This "fix" from DE is a joke.
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DarkVeghetta

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Just tested the Vectis P with the new mod, and the regular vectis without it, here are the numbers on lvl 1 grineer:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276381286412/47A4AFF52AA8C806ED8850924A80C7170CB88D50/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276381286785/AAE05267C1BC39EE8D86EEDFB34BFA9D4C4A9C5E/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

 

Vectis P on Grineer Lancer: 5133
Vectis on Grineer Lancer: 5225
Vectis P Crit:22588
Vectis Crit:22993
 
==> Vectis P deals less dmg... On other enemies it will be even worse cause of more puncture and less slash on VP, I used Viral and fire on Vectis and Viral and - mag size mod on Vectis P. 
 
This "fix" from DE is a joke.

 

 

I appreciate you doing the math. As it stands, it seems that I really don't need to worry about getting the primed version of my sweet little Vectis.

Tbh, I was rather bothered when they primed it - I was hoping it won't actually get a prime for several reasons (including looks, skins, possible f***-ups and that I already forma'd it). Given all the info from this thread, I'll treat the "Vectis Prime" as a separate, inferior version to the normal Vectis.

 

The more I think on it, I'd wager The Arbiters of Hexis would be proud of the Tenno that crafted a Vectis from it's prime counterpart - we somehow managed to modify a lackluster 2-shot sniper into a superb 1-shot killer while improving it's reload speed, it's ammo consumption and more importantly, it's -feel-. Also we made it look b!tchin' hot, then we made alternate skins for it.

Think I'll add more formas to my regular Vectis after I've rank to 30 it's mastery-fodder prime-counterpart.

 

Cheers.

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Heidrek

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I appreciate you doing the math. As it stands, it seems that I really don't need to worry about getting the primed version of my sweet little Vectis.

Tbh, I was rather bothered when they primed it - I was hoping it won't actually get a prime for several reasons (including looks, skins, possible f***-ups and that I already forma'd it). Given all the info from this thread, I'll treat the "Vectis Prime" as a separate, inferior version to the normal Vectis.

 

The more I think on it, I'd wager The Arbiters of Hexis would be proud of the Tenno that crafted a Vectis from it's prime counterpart - we somehow managed to modify a lackluster 2-shot sniper into a superb 1-shot killer while improving it's reload speed, it's ammo consumption and more importantly, it's -feel-. Also we made it look b!tchin' hot, then we made alternate skins for it.

Think I'll add more formas to my regular Vectis after I've rank to 30 it's mastery-fodder prime-counterpart.

 

Cheers.

lol Primes are inferior for a change

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Untoten_Man

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I honestly dont understand why they can't simply change the clip from 1 to 2 bullets and up crit chance to 40%. It cannot take that long to change a few numbers in the code to do this. The ammount of people that wish this to happen far exceed the ammount to people that want the mod for the sole purpose of "fixing" the vectis prime. If they are going to be so hard headed about not changing the primes stats directly then they should have the decency to explain to us why.

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Arkathor

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Ok, this is very important so i am bumb'ing.

 

This Mod solved this problem half way. If people want a more shot Sniper, install this on Vectis. Effects:

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384487641/24BCE2A728D9530D64EE4765E4673CDC780E1D78/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384488084/1C9D5F03DF2E10A2CE7F6F28C3FB92338E53D017/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384488463/F9466F5ACB9224E0E3555BE6DB1A8B62D375E0F8/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

YES, you get 72 shoots with no reload at all (when you grab ammo its insta loaded). This solves the Problem for people who want more shoots per clip. Now DE just need's to make Vectis Prime 1 shoot per clip and EVERYONE is hapy (people have 72 shoots, and other will have 1 shoot both on VP if they make it 1 bullet)!

 

BTW. No shoots count as first when clip size is 0, so Primed Chamber useless with 72 shoots.

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Heidrek

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Ok, this is very important so i am bumb'ing.

 

This Mod solved this problem half way. If people want a more shot Sniper, install this on Vectis. Effects:

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384487641/24BCE2A728D9530D64EE4765E4673CDC780E1D78/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384488084/1C9D5F03DF2E10A2CE7F6F28C3FB92338E53D017/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384488463/F9466F5ACB9224E0E3555BE6DB1A8B62D375E0F8/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

YES, you get 72 shoots with no reload at all (when you grab ammo its insta loaded). This solves the Problem for people who want more shoots per clip. Now DE just need's to make Vectis Prime 1 shoot per clip and EVERYONE is hapy (people have 72 shoots, and other will have 1 shoot both on VP if they make it 1 bullet)!

 

BTW. No shoots count as first when clip size is 0, so Primed Chamber useless with 72 shoots.

HOW DID YOU DO THIS. I WANT.

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Arkathor

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Yeah, how's that new mod workin' out? :P

To be honest it made Vectis Prime even more obsolete, cause you can have now 72 bullets on Vectis, and Vectis Prime with this mod has near the same dmg as normal vectis cause of the mod slot taken.

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Arkathor

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That's going to get nerfed for sure, as it makes every the vulkar obsolete.

Not an argument since Boltor Prime and Soma Prime made all other assault riffles dps'wise obsolote and they are still as they are. We have stronger weapon and weaker weapons, deal with it. 

 

 

It need to stay as it is and DE just needs to change mag size of Vectis Prime to 1 round, then everything will be fine.

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New corrupted mod Depleted Clip or whatever, reducing mag size to 0? No reloads? Its a bug. It got hotfixed yesterday.

 

Honestly, I was one of those people who LOVED the bolt-action feel of the reg Vectis, and was completely ready to RAEG at the Vectis Prime for its 2-shot mag.

 

But it came with the Ash Prime Access bundle, which I wanted so bad... so I ended up with VecP, too.

 

Welp, nothing to it but to do my usual Level 30 mob kill test. Question: Can I have fun with the VecP, rank 30, no catalyst and no forma, against lvl 30 mobs.

 

Turns out, I can. Lots of fun. Lots and LOTS of fun. So I really don't mind the 2-shot clip anymore.

 

 

Oh yea, and all you peeps screaming about "Primed/Charged Chamber is less than useless on VecP". Well, yes. I never did like Charged Chamber anyway. A whole mod slot, just for +40% dmg? For the love of RNGsus, WHY?!

 

I don't have Primed Chamber, FYI. And for those of you that DO have it... Ok, sure. Its great on the base Vectis. But what about everyone else (like me) who doesn't have Primed Chamber??? It's a discontinued mod, its not EVER coming back.

 

 

So, all told? Yes, the Vectis Prime lacks that awesome one-shot-reload feeling. Do I care any more? Nope. I'm having fun running Mesa/BB with Dead Eye and my 2-forma, 3-shot clip, Vectis Prime. That's all, folks.

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Ok, this is very important so i am bumb'ing.

 

This Mod solved this problem half way. If people want a more shot Sniper, install this on Vectis. Effects:

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384487641/24BCE2A728D9530D64EE4765E4673CDC780E1D78/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384488084/1C9D5F03DF2E10A2CE7F6F28C3FB92338E53D017/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332276384488463/F9466F5ACB9224E0E3555BE6DB1A8B62D375E0F8/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

YES, you get 72 shoots with no reload at all (when you grab ammo its insta loaded). This solves the Problem for people who want more shoots per clip. Now DE just need's to make Vectis Prime 1 shoot per clip and EVERYONE is hapy (people have 72 shoots, and other will have 1 shoot both on VP if they make it 1 bullet)!

 

BTW. No shoots count as first when clip size is 0, so Primed Chamber useless with 72 shoots.

 

 

Think this was fixed.

 

EDIT: It was fixed

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Arkathor

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Ok, new series of Tests now on lvl 90 Enemies (1 Infested Disruptor Ancient and 1 Elite Lancer, no Corpus Target, cause i had no scanned).

 

Primed Chamber:

Builds: 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308484583/9969A3215FF71086702D5986C29CF882A73D35DB/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308485037/58335D6DA9BCA0E6318CC448772C90E6FFA22C1D/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Ancient Non Crit: 4106

Vectis Primed Ancient Crit: 18065

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308487306/EA09A498951DEDC91631D6DA0006ADF7D1B6B75C/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Ancient Non Crit: 1835

Vectis Ancient Crit: 19572

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308489653/2E4A24E073A49A959F02908E249628255F6F8D18/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Lancer non Crit: 1009

Vectis Prime Lancer Crit: 4441

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308492616/F13B2D1A58BC629CE8BA403FB6692B063CE4DD40/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Lancer non Crit: 1034

Vectis Lancer Crit: 4551

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308491186/4F5E37724010142B8F64C347F385CD2FAA4A3888/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Charged Chamber:

Builds:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308542695/721A0C7FFE2B5B74C3692CF91DBB8B6BBFDD2F81/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308543179/848E0F7F7C5DAEA431EE593ACBD38FF23C85D4AF/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Ancient Non Crit: 2874

Vectis Primed Ancient Crit:12647

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308546364/E6EEE3EECECC40800D0253CCEDE31CB8B3A77BF6/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Ancient Non Crit: 3112

Vectis Ancient Crit:13695 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308548315/41D7DB1DC51E717456285D713A3DE3FF6AA337A1/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Lancer non Crit: 707

Vectis Prime Lancer Crit: 3109

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308551242/6960C23D0949E8A33C0AC6D471D99472F561E289/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Lancer non Crit: 724

Vectis Lancer Crit:3185

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308552500/FC1D360C11312D88BA23F44A33A26E8778BF50D4/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

 

 

What we see now? The only one where VP is better is the non Crit on Ancient. Every other way regular Vectis is better (with Primed or Charged Chamber, doesnt matter), so every one who says VP deals more dmg just stay silent now cause here you have proof that you are wrong. And I am not doing test with reload speed mods (i have Primed Fast Hands Maxed for Akkad Tonkor speed runs) cause they are just lowering the dmg of the Vectis, i would rather use Heavy Caliber then reload.

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Ok, new series of Tests now on lvl 90 Enemies (1 Infested Disruptor Ancient and 1 Elite Lancer, no Corpus Target, cause i had no scanned).

 

Primed Chamber:

Builds: 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308484583/9969A3215FF71086702D5986C29CF882A73D35DB/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308485037/58335D6DA9BCA0E6318CC448772C90E6FFA22C1D/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Ancient Non Crit: 4106

Vectis Primed Ancient Crit: 18065

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308487306/EA09A498951DEDC91631D6DA0006ADF7D1B6B75C/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Ancient Non Crit: 1835

Vectis Ancient Crit: 19572

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308489653/2E4A24E073A49A959F02908E249628255F6F8D18/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Lancer non Crit: 1009

Vectis Prime Lancer Crit: 4441

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308492616/F13B2D1A58BC629CE8BA403FB6692B063CE4DD40/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Lancer non Crit: 1034

Vectis Lancer Crit: 4551

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308491186/4F5E37724010142B8F64C347F385CD2FAA4A3888/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Charged Chamber:

Builds:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308542695/721A0C7FFE2B5B74C3692CF91DBB8B6BBFDD2F81/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308543179/848E0F7F7C5DAEA431EE593ACBD38FF23C85D4AF/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Ancient Non Crit: 2874

Vectis Primed Ancient Crit:12647

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308546364/E6EEE3EECECC40800D0253CCEDE31CB8B3A77BF6/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Ancient Non Crit: 3112

Vectis Ancient Crit:13695 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308548315/41D7DB1DC51E717456285D713A3DE3FF6AA337A1/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Primed Lancer non Crit: 707

Vectis Prime Lancer Crit: 3109

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308551242/6960C23D0949E8A33C0AC6D471D99472F561E289/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

Vectis Lancer non Crit: 724

Vectis Lancer Crit:3185

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/447332758308552500/FC1D360C11312D88BA23F44A33A26E8778BF50D4/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:864&composite-to=*,*|2048:864&background-color=black

 

 

 

What we see now? The only one where VP is better is the non Crit on Ancient. Every other way regular Vectis is better (with Primed or Charged Chamber, doesnt matter), so every one who says VP deals more dmg just stay silent now cause here you have proof that you are wrong. And I am not doing test with reload speed mods (i have Primed Fast Hands Maxed for Akkad Tonkor speed runs) cause they are just lowering the dmg of the Vectis, i would rather use Heavy Caliber then reload.

the fact that you use two different builds for the weapons means any comparisons with damage are useless numbers. In order for these numbers to mean anything, they would have to use the SAME builds. 

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