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Excalibur Umbra Ok, More Coming? Mmm Hell No!


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In my opinion the main idea to bring the umbra excalibur to west, was the lack of a "prime" version of excalibur for the mortals who didn't have the time/money or any reason to get it at first, umbra "looks" like prime, and is a great idea to bring that version and finally solved the problem, but i recently watched the previous devstream and they said more umbra frames are coming, so pretty much umbra is a thing, this in my opinion is a terrible idea, just to wait more than 4 or 5 months for every new prime version for a pretty old frame is horrible, imagine an umbra version of every single frame, and also getting more and more and more frames, (yeah more frames are coming, 4 more confirmed) this is getting out of control.

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Blame the Changyou branch. This whole concept was their idea since they work almost completely separately from our normal devs.

 

i heard the umbra excalibur was stolen from a deviantart warframe fantart, so is pretty much something that DE never had in mind in the beginning

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Blame the Changyou branch. This whole concept was their idea since they work almost completely separately from our normal devs.

 

No it wasn't. It was made for their launch, but it was designed and developed by DE.

 

 

On the OP's topic, I would take it as an alternative to priming. Excal Umbra will be labeled as Prime in China, and will have default gold bits in China. Outside of China, the only difference will be the metallics will default to a different metal.

This will probably be how we get upgraded versions of some of the more recent frames. The other possibility is them being ceremonial skins.

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I agree with op that beyond Excalibur umbra frames aren't necessary. I've already sold every frame to which I have a prime variant. Effectively relegating the non-primed frames to mystery fodder. I don't want prime frames to go in the same direction. Yes they look amazing, so make future umbra frames beyond excal skins rather than new frames. If not, then I want some lore behind umbra frames. They're like the primes that have incorporated the technology of today, or make this a focus thing. When a frame gets x among of exp it becomes umbra.

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You mean, replaying the same frames 3 times.

Options. We're getting more options.

And I was specifically referring to the context in which the OP mentioned how DE has four more Frames in the pipeline; I should have specified, apologies.

 

EDIT: One way DE may handle the Umbra Warframes is that they'll be "upgrades" of Frames they may not have intended to ever have Prime versions. Excalibur being the obvious exception since Excal Prime isn't ever going to be available for the masses anyway. I could more easily imagine an Umbra Limbo/Chroma/Mirage than a Prime of those Frames.

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They should just be skins for existing warframes. Just like what primes honestly should have been.

 

Its actually rather messy having 2 seperate frames that are in truth the same damn thing except for some redesigned cosmetics and stat buffs.

 

They are in far too deep to go back now tho I suppose. However, its things like this that give me an uneasy feeling about warframe being a cash grab that might be abandoned once things start looking too bleak. Any other dev would have just made these things skins that you can either purchase, or farm the same way we do now. Just without having to grind out the same "content" we already did before.

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They should just be skins for existing warframes. Just like what primes honestly should have been.

 

Its actually rather messy having 2 seperate frames that are in truth the same damn thing except for some redesigned cosmetics and stat buffs.

 

They are in far too deep to go back now tho I suppose. However, its things like this that give me an uneasy feeling about warframe being a cash grab that might be abandoned once things start looking too bleak. Any other dev would have just made these things skins that you can either purchase, or farm the same way we do now. Just without having to grind out the same "content" we already did before.

I honestly think this may just be one example of them somewhat lazily bringing themselves closer to the mastery cap. When I started playing, around U11 (I didn't know what was going on well enough to know what the updates even were) very few weapons had direct upgrades. The few that did were all low level weapons, like Braton, Latron, or Sicarus, and even their upgrades weren't that much better. Then things started to change, first indirectly. Synapse, a top weapon already, got essentially a straight upgrade in Amprex. Then Prova became the first research weapon IIRC to get an upgrade with Prova Vandal. Now, we're at the point where MR6 weapons like Soma get upgrades, where weapons like Marelok that are already examples of powercreep get upgrades, where Quanta's about to get its second upgrade despite being top-tier research, where Grakata weapons are getting thrown out seemingly weekly.

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I dunno, I don't mind farming the umbra gear... but if it's gonna be one of "Those" that you can only buy with plat for a limited time, DE will not hear the end of it.

 

Not just from me, but from the community as a whole, because let's be honest, if you pay, it's because you CHOSE to... for now. How long until this isn't the case? how long until this game becomes pay to win for newer and veteran players alike?

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No it wasn't. It was made for their launch, but it was designed and developed by DE.

 

 

On the OP's topic, I would take it as an alternative to priming. Excal Umbra will be labeled as Prime in China, and will have default gold bits in China. Outside of China, the only difference will be the metallics will default to a different metal.

This will probably be how we get upgraded versions of some of the more recent frames. The other possibility is them being ceremonial skins.

No itll be gold.
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I honestly think this may just be one example of them somewhat lazily bringing themselves closer to the mastery cap.

 

What actually happens once the mastery cap of 30 is hit tho? They stop making new frames and weapons or something, or do they do the more likely thing and just raise it again? If they do that than whats the point of making it a thing to get to 30?  I ask because I legit dont know what they plan on doing after hitting 30 or if they officially stated anything about it. If they stop at 30 no matter what then all these different versions of frames and weapons are a very lazy way to reach that cap, and if content mostly halts after that then it sounds exactly like a poorly hidden cash grab.

 

I'm rather lost in this reguard.

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They should make Umbra a different series of warframes, with different stats to make them suit slightly different playstyles. Hell, they could even throw in a different ability here and there.

I personally love the idea that maybe Umbra warframes are more heavily corrupted by the void, and have strong bonuses to certain stats, but more severe weaknesses in others. It'd add some more variation without creating too much work for DE, and it'd create some more specialised frames for advanced players

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umbra frames will probably have like 4 more shields and 4 more health, and deal 2% more damage.....

 

so we will have to buy umbra for each frame, potato, 2-4x forma, augment slot, grind up to level.

Smells like a cheap way to push old content.

 

 

 

I guess you could go the corrupted mod route.

 

 

 

+150% more shields, -150% health

+100% power range, -100% power duration

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I honestly think this may just be one example of them somewhat lazily bringing themselves closer to the mastery cap. When I started playing, around U11 (I didn't know what was going on well enough to know what the updates even were) very few weapons had direct upgrades. The few that did were all low level weapons, like Braton, Latron, or Sicarus, and even their upgrades weren't that much better. Then things started to change, first indirectly. Synapse, a top weapon already, got essentially a straight upgrade in Amprex. Then Prova became the first research weapon IIRC to get an upgrade with Prova Vandal. Now, we're at the point where MR6 weapons like Soma get upgrades, where weapons like Marelok that are already examples of powercreep get upgrades, where Quanta's about to get its second upgrade despite being top-tier research, where Grakata weapons are getting thrown out seemingly weekly.

We're already seeing that with the Prisma weapons. They're basically just mastery fodder now. Master fodder that you got to farm with ducats instead of buying from the market. I bet every weapon will have a vandal/wraith and prisma "skin" sooner or later. Looks like every warframe will have a umbra "skin" as well. Ready up that plat for slots and parts

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I honestly don't see anything wrong with this. If anything, it's a way for them to make different base stat versions of the same warframes, which could potentially provide some more end game content or at least some incentive to do harder content. It really depends on how they handle it, I wouldn't shoot the idea down before they even decide how they are going to do it.

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Declining the exact same product in "variants" with seemingly a very different feel or look while actually taking as little time and resources as possible is just another way to make money.

DE just knows since their game has close to zero vertical content (aka their game has no real content or story to speak of) while possessing a rather impressive horizontal content (aka meat to chew on while you wait for real content) where all the money comes from, their best option is to keep making such variations of the same products. Save money on one side and make more on the other. Smart business if you ask me. And if it looks cool and doesn't cost a freaking arm, why not? Though considering the usual price tags are quite higher than the average F2P game for the content offered, it might sting a bit, unless it's also available through playing of course.

 

What bothers me is that we still don't know what the Tenno are, while DE keeps creating variations of them. What gives devs? Can't you at least finish/fix/polish what you already have released? A lot of it is pretty wonky to say the least...

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