Vasault Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 In my opinion the main idea to bring the umbra excalibur to west, was the lack of a "prime" version of excalibur for the mortals who didn't have the time/money or any reason to get it at first, umbra "looks" like prime, and is a great idea to bring that version and finally solved the problem, but i recently watched the previous devstream and they said more umbra frames are coming, so pretty much umbra is a thing, this in my opinion is a terrible idea, just to wait more than 4 or 5 months for every new prime version for a pretty old frame is horrible, imagine an umbra version of every single frame, and also getting more and more and more frames, (yeah more frames are coming, 4 more confirmed) this is getting out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahadaya Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 lol. It's funny because usually threads like this are just ignorant complaint/whine threads that get locked immediately. But you actually do have a point. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-Shadowblade Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Blame the Changyou branch. This whole concept was their idea since they work almost completely separately from our normal devs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasault Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Blame the Changyou branch. This whole concept was their idea since they work almost completely separately from our normal devs. i heard the umbra excalibur was stolen from a deviantart warframe fantart, so is pretty much something that DE never had in mind in the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gale47 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Excuse me? What exactly is wrong with more content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egregiousRac Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Blame the Changyou branch. This whole concept was their idea since they work almost completely separately from our normal devs. No it wasn't. It was made for their launch, but it was designed and developed by DE. On the OP's topic, I would take it as an alternative to priming. Excal Umbra will be labeled as Prime in China, and will have default gold bits in China. Outside of China, the only difference will be the metallics will default to a different metal. This will probably be how we get upgraded versions of some of the more recent frames. The other possibility is them being ceremonial skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsterwithin Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Excuse me? What exactly is wrong with more content? You mean, replaying the same frames 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorsContraction Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I agree with op that beyond Excalibur umbra frames aren't necessary. I've already sold every frame to which I have a prime variant. Effectively relegating the non-primed frames to mystery fodder. I don't want prime frames to go in the same direction. Yes they look amazing, so make future umbra frames beyond excal skins rather than new frames. If not, then I want some lore behind umbra frames. They're like the primes that have incorporated the technology of today, or make this a focus thing. When a frame gets x among of exp it becomes umbra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gale47 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) You mean, replaying the same frames 3 times. Options. We're getting more options. And I was specifically referring to the context in which the OP mentioned how DE has four more Frames in the pipeline; I should have specified, apologies. EDIT: One way DE may handle the Umbra Warframes is that they'll be "upgrades" of Frames they may not have intended to ever have Prime versions. Excalibur being the obvious exception since Excal Prime isn't ever going to be available for the masses anyway. I could more easily imagine an Umbra Limbo/Chroma/Mirage than a Prime of those Frames. Edited August 21, 2015 by Gale47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Judgement Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 meh umbra frames are a fun idea hopefully they will do somthing diffrent with his stats or abilities but unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z123FFSS89 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 When a frame gets x among of exp it becomes umbra. I like this idea..this definetly should happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoticMarik Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 They should just be skins for existing warframes. Just like what primes honestly should have been. Its actually rather messy having 2 seperate frames that are in truth the same damn thing except for some redesigned cosmetics and stat buffs. They are in far too deep to go back now tho I suppose. However, its things like this that give me an uneasy feeling about warframe being a cash grab that might be abandoned once things start looking too bleak. Any other dev would have just made these things skins that you can either purchase, or farm the same way we do now. Just without having to grind out the same "content" we already did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WiiConquered Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 They should just be skins for existing warframes. Just like what primes honestly should have been. Its actually rather messy having 2 seperate frames that are in truth the same damn thing except for some redesigned cosmetics and stat buffs. They are in far too deep to go back now tho I suppose. However, its things like this that give me an uneasy feeling about warframe being a cash grab that might be abandoned once things start looking too bleak. Any other dev would have just made these things skins that you can either purchase, or farm the same way we do now. Just without having to grind out the same "content" we already did before. I honestly think this may just be one example of them somewhat lazily bringing themselves closer to the mastery cap. When I started playing, around U11 (I didn't know what was going on well enough to know what the updates even were) very few weapons had direct upgrades. The few that did were all low level weapons, like Braton, Latron, or Sicarus, and even their upgrades weren't that much better. Then things started to change, first indirectly. Synapse, a top weapon already, got essentially a straight upgrade in Amprex. Then Prova became the first research weapon IIRC to get an upgrade with Prova Vandal. Now, we're at the point where MR6 weapons like Soma get upgrades, where weapons like Marelok that are already examples of powercreep get upgrades, where Quanta's about to get its second upgrade despite being top-tier research, where Grakata weapons are getting thrown out seemingly weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)inuyasha279 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) How did you get the idea that it was for specifically Excalibur? It was stated it would be a series by Reb a limited one at that and wasn't disputed by Changyou so you probably won't farm for an umbra for every frame. Edited August 22, 2015 by (PS4)inuyasha279 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeggga Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I dunno, I don't mind farming the umbra gear... but if it's gonna be one of "Those" that you can only buy with plat for a limited time, DE will not hear the end of it. Not just from me, but from the community as a whole, because let's be honest, if you pay, it's because you CHOSE to... for now. How long until this isn't the case? how long until this game becomes pay to win for newer and veteran players alike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 No it wasn't. It was made for their launch, but it was designed and developed by DE. On the OP's topic, I would take it as an alternative to priming. Excal Umbra will be labeled as Prime in China, and will have default gold bits in China. Outside of China, the only difference will be the metallics will default to a different metal. This will probably be how we get upgraded versions of some of the more recent frames. The other possibility is them being ceremonial skins. No itll be gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoticMarik Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I honestly think this may just be one example of them somewhat lazily bringing themselves closer to the mastery cap. What actually happens once the mastery cap of 30 is hit tho? They stop making new frames and weapons or something, or do they do the more likely thing and just raise it again? If they do that than whats the point of making it a thing to get to 30? I ask because I legit dont know what they plan on doing after hitting 30 or if they officially stated anything about it. If they stop at 30 no matter what then all these different versions of frames and weapons are a very lazy way to reach that cap, and if content mostly halts after that then it sounds exactly like a poorly hidden cash grab. I'm rather lost in this reguard. Edited August 22, 2015 by PsychoticMarik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorgal_Sina Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'd be fine if these were skins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezedog Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I'd be fine if these were skins... Except that Umbra Excalibur Prime has 150 energy instead of the 100 energy of Excal and Excal Prime. So unless they want to buff Excal a skin won't work. Edited August 23, 2015 by weezedog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarteros Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 They should make Umbra a different series of warframes, with different stats to make them suit slightly different playstyles. Hell, they could even throw in a different ability here and there.I personally love the idea that maybe Umbra warframes are more heavily corrupted by the void, and have strong bonuses to certain stats, but more severe weaknesses in others. It'd add some more variation without creating too much work for DE, and it'd create some more specialised frames for advanced players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneDymo Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Im awaiting the arrival of "Prisma Umbra Mara Excaliber Prime Vandal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatersail Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) umbra frames will probably have like 4 more shields and 4 more health, and deal 2% more damage..... so we will have to buy umbra for each frame, potato, 2-4x forma, augment slot, grind up to level. Smells like a cheap way to push old content. I guess you could go the corrupted mod route. +150% more shields, -150% health +100% power range, -100% power duration Edited August 23, 2015 by Tatersail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibarion Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I honestly think this may just be one example of them somewhat lazily bringing themselves closer to the mastery cap. When I started playing, around U11 (I didn't know what was going on well enough to know what the updates even were) very few weapons had direct upgrades. The few that did were all low level weapons, like Braton, Latron, or Sicarus, and even their upgrades weren't that much better. Then things started to change, first indirectly. Synapse, a top weapon already, got essentially a straight upgrade in Amprex. Then Prova became the first research weapon IIRC to get an upgrade with Prova Vandal. Now, we're at the point where MR6 weapons like Soma get upgrades, where weapons like Marelok that are already examples of powercreep get upgrades, where Quanta's about to get its second upgrade despite being top-tier research, where Grakata weapons are getting thrown out seemingly weekly. We're already seeing that with the Prisma weapons. They're basically just mastery fodder now. Master fodder that you got to farm with ducats instead of buying from the market. I bet every weapon will have a vandal/wraith and prisma "skin" sooner or later. Looks like every warframe will have a umbra "skin" as well. Ready up that plat for slots and parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temfist Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I honestly don't see anything wrong with this. If anything, it's a way for them to make different base stat versions of the same warframes, which could potentially provide some more end game content or at least some incentive to do harder content. It really depends on how they handle it, I wouldn't shoot the idea down before they even decide how they are going to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthrym Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Declining the exact same product in "variants" with seemingly a very different feel or look while actually taking as little time and resources as possible is just another way to make money. DE just knows since their game has close to zero vertical content (aka their game has no real content or story to speak of) while possessing a rather impressive horizontal content (aka meat to chew on while you wait for real content) where all the money comes from, their best option is to keep making such variations of the same products. Save money on one side and make more on the other. Smart business if you ask me. And if it looks cool and doesn't cost a freaking arm, why not? Though considering the usual price tags are quite higher than the average F2P game for the content offered, it might sting a bit, unless it's also available through playing of course. What bothers me is that we still don't know what the Tenno are, while DE keeps creating variations of them. What gives devs? Can't you at least finish/fix/polish what you already have released? A lot of it is pretty wonky to say the least... Edited August 24, 2015 by Marthrym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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