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Today I've just done a lot of runs testing the hunting rifles of this game, Latron Wraith, Latron Prime, Grinlok.

 

Most of them need buffing.

 

Latron Unleaded only really needs to have it's price adjusted to 25k-50k credits, as the entry level rifle that it is

 

Latron Wraith seems fine, as an event exclusive weapon and top tier of all hunting rifles, I wouldn't suggest touching it.

 

Latron Prime is aged.  At the moment if you don't have it, I wouldn't recommend trying to dig it up in trade chat unless you want it for completion or mastery.  It's critical chance is high-ish, but not quite high enough to justify modding for it.  At best you can get it to 44.7%, even with 1.9 chances per shot, the increased critical damage over other weapons ends up misleading.  If this is ever re-released, buff the critical chance to 25% please.  Primes are supposed to be the best versions of their line, not a better than the original and occasionally great.

 

The Grinlok is great, but it still needs about 5% more critical chance to make me not want to smash my monitor every time I fire its entire clip without getting a critical despite about 11 by 64% chances at it.  The best part?  It won't break the gun.  Even with the Perrin mod, and Point Strike the crit chance will only hit 90%, with those and critical delay it'll reach 99.6% which will almost eliminate noncrits without making it redcrit.  I'll admit that the Grinlok doesn't absolutely need a buff, but it could use one.

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I can hit about 99% Status Chance with the Latron P. Without Split Chamber, it's still in the high 90's.

 

http://goo.gl/aT6Ii8

Talking about crit chance, not status.  Latron P has pretty good status, but not crit.  It has high crit damage, which is unwarranted by it's C+ crit chance.

 

 

Grinlok could be moved to Sniper category and receive huge damage buff imo.

That's the Vulkar, which needs serious buffs.  I'm not even considering it due to the fact that the problem with sniper is that there's no real use for 'em.

 

 

I suggest the latron and the tiberon to a buff those guns really needs more status/critical or both.

 

Tiberon sure is sad... I didn't do any testing with it, but yes.

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Grinlok needs either a damage buff to 180 or a crit chance buff to 25%. Either one would give it MUCH more usability. 25% base would make it possible to get red crits, but only 12.5%, and only with two crit chance mods on at once, so I don't see it as being overly powerful.

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Today I've just done a lot of runs testing the hunting rifles of this game, Latron Wraith, Latron Prime, Grinlok.

 

Most of them need buffing.

 

Latron Unleaded only really needs to have it's price adjusted to 25k-50k credits, as the entry level rifle that it is

 

Latron Wraith seems fine, as an event exclusive weapon and top tier of all hunting rifles, I wouldn't suggest touching it.

 

Latron Prime is aged.  At the moment if you don't have it, I wouldn't recommend trying to dig it up in trade chat unless you want it for completion or mastery.  It's critical chance is high-ish, but not quite high enough to justify modding for it.  At best you can get it to 44.7%, even with 1.9 chances per shot, the increased critical damage over other weapons ends up misleading.  If this is ever re-released, buff the critical chance to 25% please.  Primes are supposed to be the best versions of their line, not a better than the original and occasionally great.

 

The Grinlok is great, but it still needs about 5% more critical chance to make me not want to smash my monitor every time I fire its entire clip without getting a critical despite about 11 by 64% chances at it.  The best part?  It won't break the gun.  Even with the Perrin mod, and Point Strike the crit chance will only hit 90%, with those and critical delay it'll reach 99.6% which will almost eliminate noncrits without making it redcrit.  I'll admit that the Grinlok doesn't absolutely need a buff, but it could use one.

Former Latron Prime thread. Would love for a re-look at this amazing weapon.

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/490099-calling-all-latron-prime-fans-and-maybe-some-burston-prime-peeps-too/?hl=latron

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Lat P is a hard hiting weapon with amazing status, mod it with PS and HAMMER SHOT with corrosive or viral and you are good to go.

I would not mind if Grinlok keep that crit chance and buff the Crit mult to 2.5 since it main porpouse is status, but Vectos Prime do it better right now.

I sadly don't have Latron Wraith :'(

( lie down, try not cry, cry a lot)

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I agree with you and want to say when i got Latron Wrath i never touched Latron prime. But I disagree with 25% buff to crit becouse it will become Latron wraith №2 and this is not right it will loose personality. I would love to see clip buff to 24 ( double clip) and dmg buff from 85 to 100-120 instead of crits.

As for grinlok it a pretty strong weapon if it sucks in your hands it could be you are using it wrong. For examle you are not using staus mods and building it only for dmg and crits.
Grinlok could use some love but it doen't need super big buff. I have 2 suggestions that are are mutually exclusive:

First:
-buff clip to 9 rounds.
-buff dmg to 160 ( marelok base dmg)

Second suggestion:
- buff clip to 9 rounds
- buff crit dmg to 2.5x
- buff crit chance to 20%

 

As for me i would like to see first becouse of Sybaris. I don't want to destroy sybaris personality as a crit burst lever action rifle. By the way it would be great if sybaris get clip buff.

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grinlok needs some loving as for latron, I think it's fine? I mean grinlok kinda sucks even with the augment and that's sad.

 

especially if they consider grinlok a weapon that they want people to use enough that they made an augment mod for it

 

 

Grinlok needs either a damage buff to 180 or a crit chance buff to 25%. Either one would give it MUCH more usability. 25% base would make it possible to get red crits, but only 12.5%, and only with two crit chance mods on at once, so I don't see it as being overly powerful.

 

Honestly, red crits won't break this weapon.  25% wouldn't be bad, but the grinlok is actually good enough to be useable.  Hell, if we did both and gave the grinlok 25% and buffed its damage to 180 shifting the focus to about slash60% Impact 35% Puncture 5% (so not readjusting the damage focus too far,) we'd end up with a weapon that's almost competitive with the new Supra.

 

 

Read through most of the initial post.  A lot of good changes, especially nerfing the ammo reserve (seriously who needs 540 shots with the thing.) I still assert that the Latron Prime have 25% crit chance:  Latron wraith should have its distinct feel in having attack speed over its prime version.  The Latron Prime, as it is, is too slow and doesn't crit anywhere near enough to justify building crit into it.

 

 

Lat P is a hard hiting weapon with amazing status, mod it with PS and HAMMER SHOT with corrosive or viral and you are good to go.

I would not mind if Grinlok keep that crit chance and buff the Crit mult to 2.5 since it main porpouse is status, but Vectos Prime do it better right now.

I sadly don't have Latron Wraith :'(

( lie down, try not cry, cry a lot)

Lat P is only hard hitting when RNG allows it.  Status chance on a puncture weapon like this is like leather seats in a race car: a nice bonus but not why you use it.  The Lat P didn't hold up to Lex P before the Lex P got a buff.  Also, don't worry, Lat Wraith is next after Gorgon Wraith for being rereleased... (maybe I'll get my imperator vandal a few years after that...)

 

 

I agree with you and want to say when i got Latron Wrath i never touched Latron prime. But I disagree with 25% buff to crit becouse it will become Latron wraith №2 and this is not right it will loose personality. I would love to see clip buff to 24 ( double clip) and dmg buff from 85 to 100-120 instead of crits.

As for grinlok it a pretty strong weapon if it sucks in your hands it could be you are using it wrong. For examle you are not using staus mods and building it only for dmg and crits.

Grinlok could use some love but it doen't need super big buff. I have 2 suggestions that are are mutually exclusive:

First:

-buff clip to 9 rounds.

-buff dmg to 160 ( marelok base dmg)

Second suggestion:

- buff clip to 9 rounds

- buff crit dmg to 2.5x

- buff crit chance to 20%

 

As for me i would like to see first becouse of Sybaris. I don't want to destroy sybaris personality as a crit burst lever action rifle. By the way it would be great if sybaris get clip buff.

As a few replies above, I feel that Lat Wraith's personality should come in having a better fire rate than Latron Prime.  I also wouldn't mind a sybaris buff, but I think we're getting a Telos Sybaris in a month or so.

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Honestly, red crits won't break this weapon. 25% wouldn't be bad, but the grinlok is actually good enough to be useable. Hell, if we did both and gave the grinlok 25% and buffed its damage to 180 shifting the focus to about slash60% Impact 35% Puncture 5% (so not readjusting the damage focus too far,) we'd end up with a weapon that's almost competitive with the new Supra.

Oh, red crits definitely wouldn't break it.

As much as I would love that damage spread, it will never have it. It is grineer, so it will always be impact first, slash second. I have ideas for semi auto rifles that would take care of that, but I am not a dev.

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Grinlok can Red crit with Arcane Avenger

Grinlok is a good candidate for Hammer shot especially when paired with Arcane Avenger.

I can see normal Latron being slightly cheaper for Market BP.

Latron Wraith....I concur, it is in a great spot

Latron Prime with only Arcane Avenger is at 45% crit chance, but that high status and base damage just make crits the icing on the cake.(Another candidate for Hammershot)

If they would fix Status mods these weapons would be better.

Rifle Aptitude with either 90-120% status chance at max Rank & Hammershot boosted to 60% status chance for Dual-stat balance.

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Grinlok can Red crit with Arcane Avenger

Grinlok is a good candidate for Hammer shot especially when paired with Arcane Avenger.

I can see normal Latron being slightly cheaper for Market BP.

Latron Wraith....I concur, it is in a great spot

Latron Prime with only Arcane Avenger is at 45% crit chance, but that high status and base damage just make crits the icing on the cake.(Another candidate for Hammershot)

If they would fix Status mods these weapons would be better.

Rifle Aptitude with either 90-120% status chance at max Rank & Hammershot boosted to 60% status chance for Dual-stat balance.

 

Avenger is a terrible enhancement for considering these rifles, as they're best used at ranges that you probably won't get hit to trigger the bonus.  In addition, you shouldn't put arcanes into consideration for balance.  A maxed Arcane Avenger will total about 1500 plat, or a few months worth of work against RNG, a ridiculous price to consider.

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Latron is fine, it's still a top tier weapon. Same thing with the wraith. No buff needed for either one. 

 

However, I can agree the grinlok is very much in need of rebalancing. Actually, I'm still baffled as how the marelok hits harder is overall is a much better weapon than its primary counterpart. Never made sense to me and still doesn't.

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Avenger is a terrible enhancement for considering these rifles, as they're best used at ranges that you probably won't get hit to trigger the bonus.  In addition, you shouldn't put arcanes into consideration for balance.  A maxed Arcane Avenger will total about 1500 plat, or a few months worth of work against RNG, a ridiculous price to consider.

There was an event weapon included in the way of balance.

Arcane Avenger is easier to obtain than the Latron Wraith and is not trade-locked like the Latron Prime.

So we are asking for balance on some items that may be un aqcuirable by some players.

Which is the argument for Arcane Avenegr: hard to acquire...

Some event mods are hard to acquire, as well. Piercing Caliber as an example.

Seems extremely biased to disregard Arcane enhancemets, but include Syndicate mods, Event Mods, Vaulted Guns, and an event locked gun for overall Gun charateristic balance.

My other suggestion for Grinlok and Latron Prime was that the status mods need to be adjusted.

Hammershot raised to 60% Status chance for dual-stat status chance consistency

(Secondary dual-stat mods that need an adjustment: Ice Storm should be 60% Cold damage and Stunning Speed should be 60% status)

Rifle-Aptitude should not be 15% status and should be something higher like 90 -120% status chance at max rank.

Grinlok and Latron Prime, potentially, fit the category High damage status weapons -in my opinion.

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You mentioned Latron Prime's average crit chance of 15% but didn't mention it's damage increased to 85 from the Latron's standard 55. That, along with the 2.5 multiplier and the 25% status makes the Latron Prime by leaps and bounds, a better weapon than the original(excluding the Wraith version, of course. Let it be in its own class.), and it's in a fine place as a Prime weapon, imo.

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There was an event weapon included in the way of balance.

 

As a comparative.  I didn't recommend touching it.

 

 

Arcane Avenger is easier to obtain than the Latron Wraith and is not trade-locked like the Latron Prime.

Some event mods are hard to acquire, as well. Piercing Caliber as an example.

 

Arguable.  Operation: Cryotic Front was a cool breeze, and it's probably the next event weapon to see second release.  My point is that when talking about a weapon, you can't really say that an arcane augment makes it, nor would I expect to consider primed mods, if there were any relevant.

Piercing Caliber provides the same damage bonus as a flat elemental mod at best.  It's not going to make or break the Latron Prime.

 

 

So we are asking for balance on some items that may be un aqcuirable by some players.

 

From the original post regarding the latron prime, "If this is ever re-released"

 

 

Seems extremely biased to disregard Arcane enhancemets, but include Syndicate mods, Event Mods, Vaulted Guns, and an event locked gun for overall Gun charateristic balance.

 

Because Arcane enhancements are not enhancements to the weapon, but additional bonuses you can tack on top.  Syndicate mods are mods for the weapons, and most of the weapons they relate to ...  Event mods I'm also disregarding as well as primed mods.

 

 

My other suggestion for Grinlok and Latron Prime was that the status mods need to be adjusted.

Hammershot raised to 60% Status chance for dual-stat status chance consistency

(Secondary dual-stat mods that need an adjustment: Ice Storm should be 60% Cold damage and Stunning Speed should be 60% status)

Rifle-Aptitude should not be 15% status and should be something higher like 90 -120% status chance at max rank.

Grinlok and Latron Prime, potentially, fit the category High damage status weapons -in my opinion.

 

(Not related to the discussion, they have good status, but the status doesn't make the weapons.)

 

 

You mentioned Latron Prime's average crit chance of 15% but didn't mention it's damage increased to 85 from the Latron's standard 55. That, along with the 2.5 multiplier and the 25% status makes the Latron Prime by leaps and bounds, a better weapon than the original(excluding the Wraith version, of course. Let it be in its own class.), and it's in a fine place as a Prime weapon, imo.

 

I wasn't really using the Latron as a comparison for the Prime as much as the wraith.  Yes, it's better than the original.  My comparison is based on the fact that the wraith outperforms the prime too much.

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