StickyBaseline Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The shotgun buff was probably the last nail in the coffin for this weapon. It does the least damage out of all snipers, is in the bottom 3 in dps out of all primaries, and to top it off, Drakgoon, which works exactly the same, has 4 times the charge damage, and over 3x the normal damage, has MUCH better ammo economy, and charges twice as fast. To top it all off, it's infinitely easier to get, since you just buy the BP in the market. But with Miter, you need to farm a broken and buggy boss for hours end until you find all 4 parts. It deserves better, please buff it. My ideas for the buff, revert it to when it used to shoot 3 blades at a time. It was a bug, yes, but then it could even compare to the bows of this game, and people enjoyed it. Video demonstration --> Idea 2: Make it a rifle, and/or buff it's damage to be on par with Drakgoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 agreed, it needs a heluva buff, dredd (i get the pun) does better damage with less forma and more effeceincy, though what this weapon needs, is a bigger hitbox, i mean, an arrow has a bigger hitbox than a flying saw? really? anyways, I`d never say no to a PVE buff, so, you have my +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg-Rox Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 And while we're at it, give the Panthera a buff as well. You know... the weapon that needs the Miter, as well as a Hikou, but is barely even better than the Miter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 admittedly, all grineer weapons need a buff with a few exceptions (marelok/brakk for quick examples), but this and grinlok are the ones in most dire need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickyBaseline Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 And while we're at it, give the Panthera a buff as well. You know... the weapon that needs the Miter, as well as a Hikou, but is barely even better than the Miter. I'd actually dare to say that panthera is better than miter thanks to it's alt fire, but it desperately needs a buff too, as well as a LOT of other weapons, there's several valid "buff this" threads open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 And while we're at it, give the Panthera a buff as well. You know... the weapon that needs the Miter, as well as a Hikou, but is barely even better than the Miter. Panthera is very strong weapon already, just give it a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg-Rox Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Panthera is very strong weapon already, just give it a chance It has less damage and fire-rate than the Miter, and it can't charge. All it has is that secondary gimmick which any melee weapon can replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It has less damage and fire-rate than the Miter, and it can't charge. All it has is that secondary gimmick which any melee weapon can replace. Try it, before you say if it is bad or not. Alt fire can shred through lvl80 Heavies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpeaker Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Try it, before you say if it is bad or not. Alt fire can shred through lvl80 Heavies regardless i have put 4 forma on both and they fall off fast in late game yeah the panthera has good damage but only with its alt fire and at late game with high armor values it became suicide to use such a weapon because you have to get within 5 meters in order for it to be effective so your far more likely to die in practical use now dont get me wrong i like the paanthera but its not to effective after a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 regardless i have put 4 forma on both and they fall off fast in late game yeah the panthera has good damage but only with its alt fire and at late game with high armor values it became suicide to use such a weapon because you have to get within 5 meters in order for it to be effective so your far more likely to die in practical use now dont get me wrong i like the paanthera but its not to effective after a bit Volt shield is your friend (it increases beams reach to infinity) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg-Rox Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Volt shield is your friend (it increases beams reach to infinity) So I have to play Volt whenever I want a good Panthera? That's not how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 So I have to play Volt whenever I want a good Panthera? That's not how it works. And you have to play Nova/with Nova to make use of weapons like Bows, Sniper Rifles and Lunchers, does this mean that Dread is under powered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg-Rox Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 And you have to play Nova/with Nova to make use of weapons like Bows, Sniper Rifles and Lunchers, does this mean that Dread is under powered? Bows are far more useful in general without Nova compared to the Panthera without Volt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 And you have to play Nova/with Nova to make use of weapons like Bows, Sniper Rifles and Lunchers, does this mean that Dread is under powered? pleeeeeeease, I use vulkar/vectis p/dread/opticor/paris p/daikyu and I don`t even use nova at all (unless sometimes in defense), also, all nova does is ease aiming, volt makes the panthera viable from scratch, I like the weapon, but the primary fire is way too meh to go with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibernetika Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 as someone that has both Miter and Panthera, both with potato and forma, I have tested both to a fair extend and I'm happy that I went farmed another miter to make the panthera because there is no way that I'm willing to lose my Miter for that piece of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Imo its more than just viable Edited August 31, 2015 by markus230 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickyBaseline Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Imo its more than just viable Like Cyborg-Rox said, the primary fire has SERIOUS problems, it's not worth using. ALL panthera has is the secondary fire, and a melee weapon does a much better job than pantheras secondary fire. I also have a 4 forma panthera and I would enjoy using the primary fire if heavy cal worked with it and if it had better ammo economy and dps than a freaking mk1 braton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Like Cyborg-Rox said, the primary fire has SERIOUS problems, it's not worth using. ALL panthera has is the secondary fire, and a melee weapon does a much better job than pantheras secondary fire. I also have a 4 forma panthera and I would enjoy using the primary fire if heavy cal worked with it and if it had better ammo economy and dps than a freaking mk1 braton. Alt fire is enough, and I got used to Primary with Heavy Cal and it does its job with thrash mobs. Some weapons are not good for everything, some weapons have synergies with certain Frames, like Embolist and Vauban, Panthera and Volt, Attica and Mirage etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) some weapons have synergies with certain Frames The problem is that Panthera isn't viable without synergy with Volt. And even with Volt, it's only half-decent because of the infinite range that it wasn't even conceptually designed to have. "Well, HERE'S a single example where this weapon is viable!" does not magically mean that it's fine as is and doesn't need a buff. By that logic, the Machete is perfectly okay because you can use Banshee to oneshot everything with it. Edited August 31, 2015 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markus230 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 By that logic, the Machete is perfectly okay because you can use Banshee to oneshot everything with it. No, because you can use any other melee and do better, there is no second weapon like Panthera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 No, because you can use any other melee and do better, there is no second weapon like Panthera i can do better with scindo prime, and have the range advantage by not wasting my primary slot for a melee and instead grab a weapon that isn`t outperfrormed by melee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg-Rox Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 No, because you can use any other melee and do better, there is no second weapon like Panthera The Panthera is a Miter with lower damage and fire-rate, with an alt-fire rendered useless by pretty much any decent melee weapon, that requires the Miter (which needs about a dozen Phobos boss runs to get) and the Hikou, and you think this is acceptable because the alt-fire can be okay with ONE Warframe ability! The simple fact that a weapon can only be okay with the help of a specific Warframe ability on the weapon's ALT-fire, means there's something wrong with it. I really can't understand how you're still supporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) No, because you can use any other melee and do better, there is no second weapon like PantheraWhat, you mean besides literally every other continuous weapon that can out-DPS the Panthera's alt fire?Without Volt's shield, the Panthera is absolute junk; this is well established. With Volt's shield, the only thing the Panthera has over other continuous weapons is the infinite ammo, and even this can practically be replicated by the Quanta (which, by the way, is actually capable of holding its own when not turtling in one spot behind a shield). Edited September 1, 2015 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's a given fact, whatever weapon that requires an ability to be viable is under-powered. Stop denying that fact and just buff it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyKabam Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 why are people even opposed to a panthera buff? or are we just arguing whether or not its total S#&$? buff both miter and panthera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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