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Someone earlier asked what was better between the Vasto P and the Lex P, so I went ahead and typed it all up. No surprise the the Lex P is far better... somewhat scarily better.

 

The buff it received has made it better than many primaries, I'm not here to discuss whether that makes it OP or not, I just want to highlight how much better it is than other similar weapons.

 

I tried finding the best builds for each weapon, mainly it was a choice between Primed Heated Charge and a 120% physical. I'll label which each weapon uses; ''1'' will be Hornet Strike / Barrel Diffusion / Lethal Torrent / Convulsion / Pathogen Rounds / P Heated Charge / P Pistol Gambit / P Target Cracker. ''2'' is the same but with a 120% physical instead of P Heated Charge. (I'm not replacing another 90% since Corrosive is the most widely used element)

 

Lex P (2): 34,522 sustained DPS. It is a damn cannon, it should be mounted on the side of a ship.

 

Lex (2): 7,084 sustained DPS. And here's my first issue, I get that it's the standard version, it's available from the market for credits and all that... But it's almost 5 times worse than the Prime. In percentage terms the Lex P is 387% better.

 

AkLex (2): 14,423 sustained DPS. Unsurprisingly better than the Lex. The Lex P is still 140% better than it though. Quite the gap when you look at the differences between the Vasto P and it's counterparts.

 

Vasto P (1): 20,141 sustained DPS. The second of the Prime pistols I'll cover, the Lex P is 71% better than it. Not really much of a choice when you're thinking of the best weapon to use in a Raid or a Sortie.

 

Vasto (1): 8,747 sustained DPS. Again, market noobie weapon, I get it. The Vasto P is 130% better than it. 

 

AkVasto (1): 18,065 sustained DPS. A fairly unexpected result if I'm honest, the Vasto P is only 11% better than it.

 

Personally that looks to me like an unbalanced mess, the Lex P buff appears to have been kneejerk due to pressure from the community at the time, and the rest of the weapons have suffered because of it. 

 

Sicarus P (1): 9,368 sustained DPS. Yes I used the crit build for it, I tested it with a rainbow build and it does more damage with crit (by a pointlessly irrelevant amount), clearly it's a bad weapon, there's no getting around the fact that it's a bad weapon. But why is it a bad weapon? It's a prime, it should be up there with the Lex and the Vasto.

 

Get to the point Monkey

 

Please look over the older weapons in the game DE, not just now that there's been years of powercreep but also when you buff something. Look at how it will perform compared to the other weapon's in its category and where you want the weapon to fit, because right now the progression from standard > possible akstandard > prime across the board makes no sense to me.

 

These are just a few weapons that I'm using to make my point, I'm sure there are other weapons with similar issues.

 

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Lex prime is a suprising weapon indeed.

 

It's versatile aswell, you can go Crit or Status builds, Both work well (Albeit from a pure DPS standpoint crit seems far superior untill you get to the super late game I guess.)

 

Yet again the Marelok and Vaykor Marelok can do a very similar thing in terms of damage (atleast I think anyway),

 

I have a feeling the Lex prime is based off a high caliber pistol and somewhat inspired by weapons like the Revolver and Desert eagle in terms of raw power, it's only reasonable for it to have high damage overall. If anything I think the idea is that it's MEANT to be a Handcannon like secondary to some degree.

 

But nethertheless interesting results.

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Yet again the Marelok and Vaykor Marelok can do a very similar thing in terms of damage (atleast I think anyway),

 

I worked out the V Marelok, (using the (1) build since it doesn't have enough of a certain damage type to warrant a physical mod) it came out at 29,538 sustained. But it's status is better than the Lex P's, so at the stupidly high levels it ends up better I guess. I'm not particularly bothered about going that far myself.

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I love the lex prime for it's deagle style. Long reload, Slow Fire rate, Small mag but Incredibly awesome hits. The mareloks don't come close to lex prime's DPS thanks to the new primed crit mods. I also totally love that picture @Monkey. But i guess tonkors would have fit the theme better, despite this thread being about lex p ;P.

 

But it's status is better than the Lex P's, so at the stupidly high levels it ends up better I guess. I'm not particularly bothered about going that far myself.

Not really a fan of IPS weapons with high status. Now, the staticor. THIS is what shines with it's status. Shreds grineer armor like there's no tomorrow.

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I also totally love that picture @Monkey. But i guess tonkors would have fit the theme better, despite this thread being about lex p ;P.

 

No logic allowed! If Captain Jack wants Lex P cannons then he can have them.

 

But yeah, I love handcannons in any game, especially when I can dual wield them...

 

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Mmmm I need an AkLex Prime. 

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Since the early days when I started the game (around nekros update), weapon balance in this game has always been a persistent problem. I used to try and provide useful and detailed feedback on what was OP and what was underperforming. However, seeing how most of the feedback was never really taken into consideration and some of the changes made by DE are seemingly random, I simply stopped posting feedback after my braton was finally buffed. That alone, took about a dozen huge threads and about a year to get a decent buff.

Also, as it seems powercreep is very real, I no longer care to even put in the effort to make these threads and simply max out my tonkor/tigris/soma prime/simulor and call it a day.

So to sum it up, yes the lex prime is a beast and it does overshadow about 90% of the secondaries, so take advantage while it lasts and the new powercreep secondary is released.

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~snip~

 

I know what you mean, would be nice to get a bit more of a response from the Devs, even if it's a ''Yes, we'll look into this in the future'', or ''No, this isn't something we're interested in implementing''. 

 

Then at least we as a community would actually have some idea of what sort of feedback DE is looking for.

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Since the early days when I started the game (around nekros update), weapon balance in this game has always been a persistent problem. I used to try and provide useful and detailed feedback on what was OP and what was underperforming. However, seeing how most of the feedback was never really taken into consideration and some of the changes made by DE are seemingly random, I simply stopped posting feedback after my braton was finally buffed. That alone, took about a dozen huge threads and about a year to get a decent buff.

Also, as it seems powercreep is very real, I no longer care to even put in the effort to make these threads and simply max out my tonkor/tigris/soma prime/simulor and call it a day.

So to sum it up, yes the lex prime is a beast and it does overshadow about 90% of the secondaries, so take advantage while it lasts and the new powercreep secondary is released.

The thing is, we got so many weapons it'll be almost impossible to actually balance them right. And the thing with new coming weapons is: They either are power creep or mastery fodder. And power creep makes more people happy than mastery fodder obviously. Well, let's see when damage 3.0 comes out and what it brings for us.

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Shhhh, if you're not careful, the "Let's balance Warframe" people will hear you and go after Lex P!

 

I absolutely love Lex P right now. It's amazing, and fits my playstyle. The only thing I wish I had instead was Aklex P. It'd be slightly less accurate, have a longer reload, but more ammo. It makes sense to me that you can just make two weapons and use them at the same time. Akvasto P would also be greatly appreciated. 

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Shhhh, if you're not careful, the "Let's balance Warframe" people will hear you and go after Lex P!

 

As long as they create a rational argument for it in another thread far far away from mine.

 

Personally I don't know if the Lex P is OP or not, but the ones I've listed above could certainly do with a buff, especially the Vasto / Sicarus Primes.

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I honestly love magnum handcannons. I love how powerful the Lex Prime is - and before that, the Lex was still uber powerful. They're my two most-used weapons in the game (16% and 18% of total missions, respectively - Lex only has more because I used it from update 7 to 11).

 

Although now I think it's stupid, back when I first joined the game (closed beta, near the end of update 6 - the free weekend with Braton Vandal for 1 cred) I posted a thread on these forums about getting an Aklex and got a ton of support for it.

 

I love handcannons and I think the the Lex Prime is what a handcannon should feel like in a game - slow, accurate, and powerful as all hell (I think dual-wielding is stupid now though, departure from my earlier thinking).

 

This is just my two cents on the weapon, however. I'm just pouring my love for the handcannon out.

 

As a side note, edited in - Lex P is kinda how I want the semi-auto rifles to be.

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My friend got it recently and is wondering why you would use any other weapon over the Lex P, AoE weapons aside of course.

 

Same goes for the Mareloks. I really dont know what they thought when they made those. VayMare especially, it dumps level 90 leech heavies like its nothing.

 

Been saying the same, they need to start taking a look at current content.

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Shhhh, if you're not careful, the "Let's balance Warframe" people will hear you and go after Lex P!

 

I absolutely love Lex P right now. It's amazing, and fits my playstyle. The only thing I wish I had instead was Aklex P. It'd be slightly less accurate, have a longer reload, but more ammo. It makes sense to me that you can just make two weapons and use them at the same time. Akvasto P would also be greatly appreciated. 

Why do anyone wants to attack Lex Prime?

No reason to do that actually. It's a slow firing weapon with no CC, sweeping, room cleaning capacity. It's there just to do one job: hit one single target as hard as possible.

There are way more problematic weapons than Lex Prime in this game.

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Don't use Primed mods to calculate your build.

Not everyone has maxed Hornet Strike either, no one can hit with every shot, there's never enough enemies to make full use of a weapons sustained dps. Since this is potential damage output I don't see why I should factor any of that in?

I'm not giving builds to people, this is simply what the weapons are capable of.

Also you should compare it with top tier DPS secondaries like Rakta Ballistica, Vaykor Marelok or Synoid Gammacor.

Since the purpose of the thread was to point out the disparity between the Lex P and other weapons that should be similar I don't see what the point would be?

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Especially considering Synoid Gammacor is empty before it can show it's "DPS"...And rakta ballistica will probably miss most shots.

 

Since the purpose of the thread was to point out the disparity between the Lex P and other weapons that should be similar I don't see what the point would be?

C'mon, you even compared sicarus prime to the lex prime, what should people expect? ;P

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I just want to see Sicarus Prime get buffed. I love the way it looks, but it's like dangling a Christmas ornament from my hip.

 

Not necessarily to the level of the Lex P, but at least where it's good for more than just low level content and nullifier bubble popping.

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vaykor marelok with the same crit build actually has a faster time to kill in many cases vs highest level enemies due to its higher status

 

paper stats dont really mean much compared to how weapons actually perform in game, like everyone has said lexp does have that small mag and low rof compared to similar secondary which makes it unwieldy to use when things get close and mobs get numerous 

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Lex P is fine. While it does good damage, it also has clear downsides.

As Fenrir stated, it lacks versatility. It's not the end all be all 2ndary. It's a great sniper pistol, but other than that it's terrible at dealing with hordes. Mostly it's used for priority target pick offs from a safe distance.

I don't get these comments, I'm not asking for the Lex P to be rebalanced, so telling me that it's fine is literally pointless. It has nothing to do with the thread.

It's like you think this is a nerf thread...

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