[Is there any chance of Prisma K-Drive parts?]

I don't think Prisma K-drive parts is the best way to go about that.

Maybe a K-drive skin that changes the texture of your K-drive into the Baro standard instead. Cool idea either way.

[Are you not sure what to think of Revenant?]

2 hours ago, Sevek7 said:

I'll confess... I hate on Revenant a lot. I feel like he's just designed to break the game.

Enemy damage scaling too high? Other frames: Better dodge! Revenant: I don't take damage.

Enemy EHP scaling too high? Other frames: Better get headshots! Revenant: Reave does damage based on % of enemy health, with enthrall I'll kill any enemy instantly.

He doesn't suck though, if anything I hate on him because he's just too damn good! (His model also freaks me out, I feel like there's a weird bowl where his pelvis should be)

More frames are being built like Revenant though. Octavia has a similar ability to scale and stay safe.

Here's a 4 step process to win the game forever as Octavia.
Step 1. Deploy Every ability except roller.
Step 2 spam crouch.
Step 3 ???
Step 4 profit.

Enemies will shoot mallet. The more damage they do to mallet, the more damage mallet does. Her ultimate then increases the damage mallet does. Higher level enemies do more damage, and Octavia skills infinitely.

[So what's DE's take on reimbursing those who invested early into Primary Kitguns?]

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Are people actually trying to say that they cant kill anything with a "nerfed" gun? 

Easiest game ever. You can kill anything up to like level 400 with a basic setup....

Try not to exaggerate.

Killing level 400 enemies in a practical manner isn't possible with a "basic" setup. What do you consider "basic?" I consider anything without a forma or without an orokin catalyst basic.

A level 400 bombard, has an effective health pool of just about 4 million. The damage this enemy can do would one shot any non tanky frame. (Saryn, Ember, Mesa, etc.) Likewise, most enemies around that level have the capability to kill you almost instantly.

A level 600 ancient healer does around 10,000 damage in a single melee. (Without damage reduction.) That would be 500 damage with 95% damage reduction. That amount of damage could nigh insta kill most Inaros alone in one shot, and the majority in 2 hits.

A basic setup is anything non specialized that anyone can get easily. If you are using a fully kitted warframe, complete with primed mods and exilus but with a simple weapon loadout that is functional, your setup isn't basic.

The easiest faction (Probably) to fight is the infested, or the corpus. The Infested don't have damage reduction as long as you radiate the healers/disruptors. Corpus are easily dealt with by slash, and viral as long as you can burst down their nullifiers.

There are many nerfed weapons that cannot perform well after being nerfed. They simply had a large portion of their potential removed. Simuloid Gammacor comes to mind with how much ammo it burns, or how it requires to ramp up to its full damage.

If you are going to attempt being elitist, you need to back it up with reasonable facts. Anyone can kill a single high level enemy. Multiply that enemy by 16, then toss in the additions of enemy fire power, and the average player with an average kit/loadout won't find it possible.

(Sincerely, a player who solo's multiple hour survivals by himself.

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On 2020-06-14 at 11:20 PM, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

If any game makes you do anything that takes 10 days, it's not worth it? According to who? What entity is setting this 10-11 day standard?

Yes. Farming something that takes 10 days when you can farm the plat in 3-4 makes it not worth it.

You have been the entity for this 10-11 day standard.. Somebody said that making a basic warframe shouldn't require a 10-11 day farm, and you laughed at them. You also laughed at the notion of something being accomplished in a matter of weeks.

I'm quite thankful you aren't in charge of game design.

On 2020-06-15 at 9:43 PM, LoriSei said:

No matter if it's 1% the revenue is still there. Do you know how much platinum (£3.99 per 75 platinum) specially when players kept saving platinum themselves  Some people are forced to buy them to keep economy moving.

Except that there is no revenue made from several syndicates.

Where is the plat sales from vox solaris or the quills? Very few people spend plat on the syndicate weapons as is.

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2 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Well it's a good thing the game provides alternatives, then.

People are more than welcome to farm plat and wait for a 50 or 75 discount like I did for Harrow.

I get it though: some people see a wall and use their head to get over it. Some people just stand at the wall and ask someone to take it down. 

Wrong again. 

You have no grasp of time investment. If a warframe takes 11 days to get through dedicated farming, it has failed being worth the time investment. I raided back when raids existed. I have plenty of plat. 

If a less experienced player can farm the plat required to buy the warframe, faster then he can farm it, then farm is too excessive and honestly terrible. 

Like honestly, what you consider reasonable is unreasonable. You should honestly accept that fact. But who knows.

 

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25 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Lol its ok man,

Not even close dude. 

Getting a warframe in 3-4 days is reaonable. Getting a warframe in 11 days is not reasonable. 

Rewards need to be worth the time investment. This is a concept foreign to you. 

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10 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

"What i don't understand is why does it also apply to pieces of content like fortuna and cetus, you can't skip the grind even if you actually want to pay to do so."

Observe the casual mentality, everyone. "I should be able to pay my way out no matter what."

Is reading too hard for you? Be honest. If you say understanding people is hard for you, I'd actually be nicer to you.

The person said "You cannot pay for Cetus and Fortuna, so why is it timegated?"

They are saying, You have to grind. There is no way to skip it. WHY is it timegated? Dude are you impaired? I promise I'm asking nicely. If the answer is yes, I'll understand. People say things and you just assume literally the only wrong way of understanding it.

 

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3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

....its a reason because it currently exists and is in place....

Do you remember parkour 1.0 It was in the game?

There was a point in time it was in the game. Did you play during that time? No bullet jumping. No Bullet glide. People actually used Super Jump (Excaliber's old ability) and zephyr to jump tall heights.

Then DE decided to give players more freedom, and they added the current parkour system into the game.

Currently existing, isn't a reason. World of Fire used to exist. Then DE realized they could do something better.

If you want a reason, explain how having a cap is good for the game. How does a reputation cap make the game fun? Keyword fun. If your answer is "It makes the grind longer." you lose.

How does faction caps, reputation caps, make the game better. What is the reason for it.

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

I've already observed this casual community and they arent different than anyone else: they're excited to rush new content because they want everything fast.

Yet 98% of warframe content takes time to get.

I have a railjack. I built it when it was expensive. I farmed for about 2 months to get Void Hole.

Most of warframe earn what they get. Everything in warframe takes time to get, and some people are sick of it.

I've played warframe since day one dude. The first day it came out on ps4 I have been playing. 116 days worth of playtime. I've done the farms. I've earned everything I have. There's not a single item that was given to me.

And at this point in the game, older farms like syndicates, cetus and fortuna have no purpose.

When the syndicates first came out? Their weapons were good. The equipment was good. The Simuloid Gammacor was the Bramma of that time. Everyone was going crazy how good some of the stuff was.

Now? Nobody cares. The weapons are mostly junk. Cetus and Fortuna only offer zaws and kitguns. There's no reason it should be timegated. Warframe players have better things to do, then farm and stop every day.

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Some adjustment are made if the devs are at fault, and people actually take a breath and figure out how to complete content.

Except that Dev's have changed old content just to make it better. Shotguns used to be the worse weapon in the game. Then shotgun 2.0 came out, then the status rework came out.

Dev's can change something old and make it better.

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Grendel created the same casual buzz when they realized they weren't able to fly past the content, but after they actually figured it out you heard absolutely nothing.

Just like Nidus, Gara, Gauss, and every other frame you had to farm them? Just like Hildryn?

I get that you aren't very deductive. RNG farming IS DIFFERENT then timegated factions. People can farm RNG as long as they want, whenever they want, as hard as they want.

Time gate for factions doesn't let you farm as long as you want. People in this thread are fine with RNG. But they are tired of the time gates.

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

One of your casuals

"My casuals?" I play on ps4 dude. I'm a solo player. I don't know any of these people on this forum. Protea isn't even out yet on ps4. If people bought protea, its because the farm was too grindy and they don't enjoy the farm. Maybe take the hint, that people don't like farms. DO you have a head? I suggest using it. Its used for more then a hat rack.

I'll farm Protea. You know why? Because as FAR AS I KNOW, she isn't time gated. I can farm her as long as it takes.

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

And to answer your question, my focus is maxed. It took a few months actually and I complained exactly zero times.

Prove it. Send me a screenshot. I'll wait. If you are being honest? I'm impressed you actually cared enough to get all the nodes unlocked. Otherwise, won't believe it till you prove it.

3 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

I have patience..... so I'm taking my time with Liches, because I know they're not going anywhere.....because its a permanent piece of the games structure now that I can come and go to as i please.

The liches aren't time gated either. No part of the liches go "You've hit your cap for today. You can't progress anymore. Sorry."

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2 minutes ago, LoriSei said:

Your perspective in Warframe would destroy the value of items in game.

Except the price is already low enough as is.

You are pretending that there is some great demand for the outdated syndicate weapons. I just sent out a message in trade chat. People were willing to sell me the rakta cernos for 5 plat.

Nobody cares about that stuff anymore. Nobody. The stuff that people do care about isn't tradeable.
 

3 minutes ago, LoriSei said:

Spoiling players giving rewards for free without any return for the developer is not gonna happen

Except nobody said free. You are aware DE gets most of its plat from cosmetics, and new warframes yeah? Prime Access, and Prime accessories is where they get their big money.

Now unless you work for DE, and you know exactly how they are barely scraping by on money, and the syndicate weapons are the only thing getting them by, don't pretend like you know.

Arcanes, (from eidolons) prime gear, and fashion frame is what gets the most plat.

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6 minutes ago, Aoennor said:

Why is it outdated in the first place?

Because syndicates are old, have tradeable items, most things syndicates offer can be bought cheaply. The weapons the syndicates offer have been power crept. There are only hundreds of better weapons.

There's only 50 million warframe players. Most of them who stick around picked three syndicates. That means that any of 50 million some odd players have access to that content and just sell you one.
 

8 minutes ago, Aoennor said:

If you reach your limit it means you deserves the limits you reach.

Incorrect. But you'll never say anything correct. If you reach your limit, means you need to forma, or install prime reach mods.

8 minutes ago, Aoennor said:

It is not that DE restrain MR 24 daily standing the same as MR 5. The MR, is the proves how much  you can earn. That's the way for the game to progress

Except that MR 5 players are handicapped to how much they can progress. You are heavily limiting the newb, but the pro can progress nearly 4x as much? Backwards logic. Mr 5 players have it bad enough as is. They are already have very few trades, very few weapon slots, and other time gates.

It's better to raise standing caps so the new players can catch up faster to the older players.

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2 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

.....Yes.....It's not an event.....its a part of their regular content.....

That's not a reason.

When you did the Erra Quest, was there a 3 and a half month long grind associated with it? No.

Look at intrinsics dude. Those are a grind. Yet there is no point where they lock you out of intrinsics. There's no MR lock for them. You get them as you play. IF there is a wait between the next content patch, people can wait.

They don't have to be grinding at all times all the time. You can enjoy old content. People can forma old frames, do some k-drive races. There's plenty of other stuff to do.
 

5 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

No game company releases content every 2 weeks......

And show me where ANYONE in here is asking for new content every 2 weeks. Show me. WHERE. Nobody is asking for that dude. You are the only person saying that. Then you justify the grind for it.

6 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Were you expecting to complete all Plains of Eidolon content in 3 weeks?

It would be nice to have all blueprints for the minerals, all the tranquilizer parts, and stuff like that in 3 weeks. Fortuna and Cetus have been out for months now. Most people haven't completed them 99%. I haven't and I have no reason too. Remove the cap or increase it, and I might actually care to.

You can lessen the grind without hurting everything.

Have you finished the grind for the K-drive? Tenno Focus Schools? Why not?

9 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Nothing in life is instant without a price.

Except death, lightning, and your logical failings. All pretty instant in some regards.

Warframe has enough long term grinds with things like Kuva, Kuva weapons (Do you have a 60% element bonus kuva weapon?) Endo, Tenno Focus Schools. Not every patch has to be as grindy then the last dude.

 

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Just now, Aoennor said:

No, they limited it for a reason.

And that reason is outdated at this point.

But hey, remember when I asked you to give me a compromise? Imagine my shock you were the first person to back track on that xD. Almost like you are full of it.

Also, unless you are master rank 24, it takes 5 days to get the 100k syndicate rewards.

Meanwhile, a mr 5 player takes them 17 days to get 100k rep. Mr9 players take 10 days. Mr 14 players 7 days.

 

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4 hours ago, Aoennor said:

As I told you before, you just ignore it !

Probably not actually.

Let's say that you said "Unlimited might be too much. People might exploit it, yatta yatta." Then you came back to me and said "What if we increase the rep cap for syndicates by double, then any bounty you do for Cetus/Fortuna gets you 100% Rep. I'd actually be down for that but you don't want to compromise.

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5 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

 Dont know what to tell you man: we're not in the super Mario days anymore.

Wrong. Mario games still come out, and they are very much super.

5 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

You have the privilege of having access to different kinds of games if long term service MMOs arent your thing.

Except grind and MMO's are different things.

This might shock you. In Destiny 2 there was an event recently. The event was so grindy, literally everything in the community boycot it till the developpers made it literally 5x faster then doubled that on weekends.

Not every MMO has to be so grindy to the point the game is another job.
 

6 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

There are AAA single player games where you can get everything in 2 weeks and stop playing the game if you want.
 

Except that I have around 116 some odd days of playtime in Warframe. I never asked for it to be instant. At this point, you are blatantly stupid. I asked to be able to get items in a reasonable amount of time. Months to weeks, isn't reasonable.

8 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

It's just my opinion, but I feel MMOs and live service games are specifically long term games.

Yes. That's why the dev's constantly try to make new content.

Monster Hunter World did a good job of this by adding a new monster, that had multiple random rewards. The game gives you content, a reason to grind it, but doesn't block you with timegates.

You get to hunt the monster as much as you want, as often as you want. There's no point in the game where it goes "Sorry! Come back in 24 hours!" Kulve Tarroth, Safi'jiva and all the new areas in that game are literally designed to be a grind. They even have Hunter rank in monster hunter that acts like Master Rank.

The only difference is that Monster Hunter gives you options to farm faster. You can farm monsters faster, do specific quests for Hunter Rank. Yet people still play that game for thousands of hours.

You can have a grind, it can even be fast, and people will still play the game.
 

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6 minutes ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

And you never made one about your idea of removing daily cap you just come out as lazy

Except that removing caps, still requires you to earn the standing.

This is where your line of thinking fails.

I can do a warframe mission, over and over and over again. I always get the rewards from the mission.

Doing syndicate missions, fortuna missions, cetus missions, and such has a point in time where I get no rewards in terms of standing. I literally can't progress with quills past a point.

You think its lazy, and that's where you are wrong. 100% incorrect.

I want to get MORE standing. I want to get MORE rep. I want to do more missions and get rewarded for them.

If syndicate cap was removed? You know what I would do? Swap syndicates. 100% swap every one of them and get any non tradeable item I hadn't before. Then at that point I'd actually be inclined to do syndicate missions. Same goes with Cetus, Fortuna, Quills, and Vox.

The price of the items bought with rep stays the same. The amount of rep needed to rank up stays the same. But somehow wanting to get as much rep as I want, do as many missions as I want for rep is lazy?

Your logic couldn't be worse dude. I'd settle with one of you if you gave me a reasonable counter offer. But calling it lazy just isn't anywhere near correct.

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6 minutes ago, Aldain said:

No, I do mean other than Cetus.

At least the Quills are focused and have benefits that come from fighting the Eidolons that aren't just standing, Cetus standing is basically useless after rank 3 because unlike Fortuna rank 5 is needed to unlock Little Duck in the first place.

Cetus is basically only less of a problem than Little Duck because less is behind it, once you hit rank 3 you basically are going solely for completionist capping or making a "perfect" zaw.

That's where I disagree. I basically need to keep a daily reminder to turn in all my sentient cores or I forget. Like I have no actual reason to Eidolon hunt right now. I'm just trying to remember to trade in my cores so I can get some operator arcanes.

Cetus and Fortuna are largely useless. Heists should have been unlocked at rank 3 instead of 5. Especially when heists go towards Fortuna rep.

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1 minute ago, Aldain said:

At least other reputation farms can be done passively and you can do multiple things while the affinity racks up, aside from Cetus, which is basically "spam fishing because debt-bonds don't exist there".

Other then the quills you mean.

Neither Vox, nor the Quills make any sense to have a cap. I wonder how many players did the Scarlet Spear event, and have days of sentient cores that they will just have gathering dust.

If Syndicates had their cap removed, people would actually have a reason to level up the other syndicates. Progression in Fortuna wouldn't be so miserable.

I'd personally get all the animal hunting tools in a day and hunt floofs all day if there wasn't a cap to it I already hit.

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1 minute ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

If you need more standing, you're more than welcome to increase your MR.

If you need a dojo for free frames like Nezha, wukong, and plenty of weapons, theres plenty of people that'd let you partake lol.

Except that the most standing anyone can get is like 28-29,000. Going up 1-2k standing doesn't actually make things much faster.

I'm MR 22. To get a daily standing cap limit of 26,000 (mr 25), it would require me to level literally hundreds of weapons so I get +3000 daily standing. Only would take 375k Mastery Rank for that. Three warframes and a few weapons aren't going to cut it. Alternatively, DE adds 50 new warframes for me to level. (I have the majority of warframes in the game.)

I'm currently max rank in all my syndicates. Max ranked with the quills and fortuna and cetus. An extra 3k standing does very little for me. At all.

I currently run a 100 man clan. I have an entire dojo built with over 100 different rooms, training areas, all the research maxed and good to go.

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6 hours ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Yea makes total sense: a bunch of people work on content to last more than a few weeks, and you think its ridiculous because you want it faster.

And guess what. You could double the reputation cap for fortuna, cetus, quills and vox and the content would still last months.

Yes, the content would still last months. Players could get the items they need for fishing faster, mining equipment they need, be able to do the heist sooner. They'd be able to dump all their toroids to little duck and get their standing up. Oh hey, they can finally spend an entire day just doing tricks on their k-drive till they get all the k-drive mods they want. All the zaw and kit gun blueprints are theirs to make.

Double or even remove the cap all together? Players are encouraged to play it as much as they want.

But like always, everything you've said has been wrong!. (WOW. What a surprise!... Oh. Nobody was surprised. Everyone knew it all along. Bummer.)

Not a single thing you have said has been right buddy. But I guess that's why you dropped your "Kid in the candy store" analogy. You think that level of child exploit would be illegal. "Work for me so you can buy from me child! Serve me and then spend your money here. ONLY 32,000 MORE REP BEFORE YOU OFFER ME STUFF TO RANK UP. THEN after 25,000 MORE REP, I"ll let you trade it in for a candy bar. Yeah."

I prioritize fun over pointless grinds for the sake of it.

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12 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

.....or they'll say:

Or they'll actually say "Eh. I'm tired of the grind in Warframe. That's all it feels like. I'm going to quit and play a different game. Grinding gets old. I'll play the new Doom! No grind just shoot.

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29 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Nice story. Now let's face it, that "might" is a pretty big might. On the other side of that coin is that they might have completed the grind, and still not stuck around. 

And here's why I think that they would probably have left anyway.... You're still here. 

Nope. 100% True. I'm still here cause I enjoy the combat of the game. Most people who leave, leave from lack of content, or get bored of the grind.

Grind? Na. I actually despise grinds. I do what is necessary, then after that, I ignore farms, grinds and the like as much as possible. You'll find out that, I only enjoy non boring things.

Doing something over and over and over again, against my will to get an item isn't fun ;3

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7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Oh you think that claiming that nobody's demanded an item is a good defence?

Yup. Because you tried the "Oh, you ARE SOOOO ENTITLED. YOU WANT FREEBIES!"

Reputation with factions are not free. Especially with factions such as the Quills, Vox, or Cetus/Fortuna. You have to do missions, PAY for standing, or turn in the remains of your vanquished enemies.

Don't like being introduced to your own stupidity? Make reasonable arguments then. Hey, Mr. Quill. If you only want sentient cores for standing, Why can't I just turn them all in at the same time?

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

The demands are for removing the reputation grind and for giving access to everything... "in weeks" one loon even said. I don't feel like bothering to go back and find out who that person was, at this point.

Yup. Cause having access to something "in mere weeks" in unreasonable, and entitled. How dare I want something in a time span equal to or greater then 14 days. THE IMPATIENCE. 14 DAYS???? THAT'S 336 HOURS! How dare people want something in that time period.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

That's why you have to "stick with it".

Screw off for 24 hours, is completely different then stick with it.

Opening Relics till you get the part to drop is stick with it. Farming Kuva Larvalings for 3 days till they get the weapon you want is sticking with it. Don't see me till tomorrow is different then stick with it.

Reputation caps actually punish you for sticking with it. Any mission I do after I hit cap gives me no reward, no benefit.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

The only people who are going to be bawling their little eyes out, are the ones who are feeling overly entitled

Wrong again. Some people don't have the patience to get something  over the course of years.

Maybe its because they play casually, have better things to do, or want something in a reasonable amount of time. Odd how players who fight for factions, then have to give factions items in order to rank up, who don't want to wait days at a time for progress are spoiled.

Which kid in a candy store has to fight for the candy store, pay the candy store to have access to said candy, just for the privilege of being able to buy candy one day in the future?

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

And again giving those players everything all at once would only lead to the demand for "new and fresh content"

3 problems with your logic chief.

#1 Removing, or increasing reputation caps don't give players everything. You have to rank up in the faction for most of the good rewards. You get standing faster, and then can get items faster as a result. Nobody here is asking for everything all at once.

#2 Warframe players demand for new and fresh content regardless. Making a game grindy doesn't change this. Grind gets old.

#3 Nobody is giving the players a damn thing. The players earn it themselves.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

The time gates help to slow us down a little so we can keep enjoying the new content longer.

That would be fine, if the time gate was regulated to only newer content. Old Content such as the Quills has no reason to be timegated. However, time gates don't make things more enjoyable.

Instead they make them more tedious. I get 0 more fun from purposely making things longer.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

LOL there's 2 defense missions on the starter planet.

Uh huh. And a level 13 volt with no orokin catalyst, no orokin reactor, and shattered mods that are weaker then their normal counterparts are going to get good exp from level 1-5 enemies?

You might want to play those missions again. There is a reason players use higher level star chart missions, or Sanctuary Onslaught for experience.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

LOL how long have you been here? Haven't you ever seen people intentionally taking on the star chart with mk1 weapons just because?

I have also seen people go into survivals for 8 hours. Go into nightmare raids with no mods on, and so on.

This is people bored, or wanting a challenge. Time gates are neither challenging, nor does it help boredom.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

don't have access to your Kuva Bramma from word go that the game not just giving you that access is a problem. It's not.

Except that you have to unlock all the planets to get access to there.

I have been a warframe player since day 1. I have unlocked the entire star chart... Hmmm. Maybe 3x as this point. It's not about giving access from the word go. Its about letting people progress to that without telling them to screw off for 24 hours.

Nobody is asking for a bramma to be given to them. They simply are tired of saying "That's all Folks! You can't do anything more. Come back tomorrow!"

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Again your opinion on what's a good weapon isn't of particular interest here. And you forget (again) about the mastery from the Star Chart itself?

Regular missions on the star chart give 300 mastery exp. Junctions give 1,000. In total the star chart gives you 27,000 ish Mastery Exp. That's literally not even enough to hit Mr 5. You need 6x that amount to hit Mr 7.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Again you keep thinking that if you don't have everything handed to you in large quantities that it doesn't exist.

Let me correct that for you. You keep thinking that if every player doesn't earn a weapon over the course of years, they didn't actually earn it. If any person spends less then a month on something, it was "Given to them for free."

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

6 items at 2 plat each per trade. Minimum of 2 trades per day, nets you 24 plat per day. At MR 5 you're talking about a potential minimum 60 plat every day.

Except that the potential minimum is always 0. Somebody has to be willing to buy junk prime items. Fewer and fewer people are willing to do that when its easy enough to get prime parts. I stopped farming prime parts years ago. I still have enough for baro. Only time I farm for new parts is when a new prime comes out.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

No it's not just handed to us, it takes a little effort. It that the problem for you? Making an effort?

Except you and I have very different definitions of effort. Anything shorter then a couple weeks you don't consider effort.

7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Again mastery is NOT truly limited by slots.

Except that it 100% is. A person wants to keep their excalibur, and rhino they got. They have 8 weapons, they all love. They got a few companions and aren't getting rid of their Kubrow.

SO if a player has done all the star chart, and refuses to get rid of their weapons, what's an alternative way to get Mastery rank? More slots, or gtfo.

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9 minutes ago, (PS4)ATreidezz said:

Also, you want to reduce grind? I have a simple solution : GET EVERYTHING

That's a great Idea. I want less work, so instead I'll do more work!

Wrong. As a mr 28 player, you have done the work others don't want to do. They don't enjoy the Mastery Rank grind. They just want to shoot stuff, get the weapons they want and that's fine.

They actually play warframe for the combat, and the experience of new weapons. I get where you are coming from with the work analogy, but it doesn't work here. People want grinds with less stops in their way. They don't want a daily limit.
 

32 minutes ago, Zimzala said:

The reputation grinds and the RNG of it all is part of what games like this are. 

Except when Warframe first came out, it didn't have reputation farms.

For some reason, you missed the difference between rng, and reputation grinds. In RNG you can try as many times as you like for the result. Or you can simply trade for the desired item.

Reputation grind is different. At a certain point, no work you do matters. No work you do counts. Warframe could double, to triple the faction cap limit and it would just be a net benefit to players.

For example. When Fortuna first came out, several of my friends and I were playing it. They got bored of the farm, and quit. I unlocked Old Mate finally and was able to do the Vox Solaris Heists. The heists give Fortuna standing. It's also a fun fight.

Having players be able to do the heist earlier, have a larger rep cap might have actually kept said friends interest.

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1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Oh? But I'm not the one who's demanded to be given anything.

And what items have been demanded here? Nobody here is asking for anything. They want reputation caps to be increased for factions such as syndicates, or Fortuna/Cetus and Quills/Vox.

This is so they aren't waiting around for the rest day when they hit their standing cap. Most of these reputation caps don't have a reason to be in the game anymore.

The people in this thread are actually asking to let DE remove standing limits so they can do more work.
 

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

LOL go ahead. Give it a try.

Already been accomplished.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

That's not what being an elitist involves. I believe that everyone can get everything in this game but it takes a little persistence. Not skilled effort per se, just "stick with it" and you can get it. And there are lots of people who are willing to help along the way.

It absolutely involves being elitist.

Reputation Farming isn't about "sticking with it". Reputation Farms are about "This is how much you can do per day. Sorry, we won't let you do anymore."

Players don't like being told "You can't work for this anymore. Come back in 24 hours, and then make 1/5th of the progress you need to progress for old outdated content."
You don't respect player's time, and you refuse to see the frustration that comes from that.

Hey, Quick Question. How can you help with reputation cap limits. You see. I have around 678 sentient cores from the Scarlet Spear event. Each time I try giving them to the Quills, they tell me "Reputation Cap limit has been reached for the day." I really look forward to logging in every day just to turn all of these in, instead of turning them in once for the appropriate amount of standing.
 

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

You fell off the boat with this one.

Nope. You tried the ol' opinions can't be wrong. Thus MY opinion can't be wrong argument. I explained to you in an example of how an opinion can be wrong. (Most people who say "MY OPINION ISN'T WRONG" actually do in fact, have wrong opinions. Like yours.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Claiming that someone is wrong and proving it are two different things.

11 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

What's funny is that you appear to have nothing to say about the apparently non-entitled new player's take on the fact that they are like a kid in a candy store.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

LOL, "here kid, you have a fully stocked candy store that you can have all you want for as long as you want, go nuts"

You forgot to add the part where the Kid in this candy store needs to farm reputation in order to buy the candy he wants. The store owner won't let him pay for the candy he wants all at once.

Instead the store owner wants that kid to pay for the things he wants in small portions. After the kid has ranked up 5 different times, and reached the title of "candy slave" only then can he buy the candy he wants. The store owner still puts a limit on how much the kid can buy.

This is how reputation standing and caps work. Alternatively for other grinds such as the focus farms, Tenno Focus Schools have an enormous cap, but such a miniscule amount gained per mission, you get very little unless you actively grind for it.

That's the part of reputation caps, standing caps, and limits you missed.

And it is 100% detrimental to the game. There is content in the game, you are locked from unless you slog through the different faction unlocks.

In order to kill Profit Taker for example, and have access to the heists required to do so, You have to have the rank of Old Mate in Fortuna. Reputation Cap limits make this miserable.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

What MR is no longer new player? MR 5. Because that's the main gate we have to pass on the star chart to unlock spoiler mode and the ability to take down the Sentients.

The Mr 5 player will then heavily be impeded as their max standing they can get per day is 6,000. There is more content in the game that is locked from them, then the content available to them.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

LOL, even as a newb, weapons did NOT take a day each to level.

Except those weapons take a day to build, then the rest of the day to level. Low level players don't get the benefit of strong mods, prime mods, a vast mod collection, or a significant amount of mod points in their weapons for them to make it stronger. 

Nor do they have access to the missions that give the most exp to grind.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

I suppose if you are unobservant enough to figure out that some nodes give more xp than others that would be true for you, but most people don't seem to be that unobservant.

I suppose you are unobservant enough to realize most new players don't have access to those nodes, or don't have them unlocked. Most people would know this, but you don't seem to be that observant.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

And remember that each weapon you rank up, each new node and junction you beat, gives you more xp.

And how many weapons and warframes does it take to get to a meaningful Mr? You don't get any good weapons till My 7. How much Mastery rank do you need to hit Mastery Rank 7?

It takes 62,500 Mastery Exp to get to MR 5. You need DOUBLE that to hit MR 7.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Yeah slots are limited

Not just for weapons. Warframes, companions, archwings and so on.

A low level player also tends to not want to get rid of their gear. They don't know what is good or bad in the game, and they want to keep whatever weapon they trust. Random Relics they get from low level missions aren't likely to get them the plat they need.

Purely Anecdotal. I had a friend named Kyle. He was like Mr 3 when he needed plat. I took him on the Law of Retribution Raid as a tag along. He got more plat being carried by friends and selling arcanes then he would have been able to as a level 21 volt.

Starting off on warframe is difficult. However you are too oblivious to see this.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

So no. Earning mastery is not truly limited by slots.

After completing the Star Chart, Mastery is limited by slots. You get 2 warframe slots in the beginning, and 8 weapon slots. You either sacrifice a warframe to unlock new ones, or find ways to get slots. Weapons are slightly more lenient.

However being limited to 8 weapon slots does limit your progression. Hitting Mastery Rank 5 is 62,500 Exp. That's 22 weapons. Hitting Mastery Rank 7 requires 44 weapons.

But please. Keep finding more blatantly false things I can easily disprove.

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

You're still allowed to have a say regardless of not being able to find a smart argument to make,

Maybe you should remember what the title of this thread was. Reputation Grinds. All the nonsense you say is truly staggering.

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14 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

So you have proven that the forum is full of entitled people? Congrats.

I mean. You are here. You are the shining gleaming example of this. If anyone wants to find an example of entitled, I just point them in your general direction. 

15 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Will you next prove that they only play on days that have a minimum of two vowels in the name? 

Yup. I'll also prove that you are a stuck up elitist. 

Which honestly. Isn't all that hard to prove. You don't respect player's time. 

19 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Take a good look around, Tenno. The whole point of the forum is "discussion", not "agreeing". We're allowed to agree or disagree as we see fit. 

Just like I can have a discussion about the Earth with a "Flat-Earther." I can have a conversation with them about how the Earth is round, and how they think the Earth is flat. 

They are wrong just as much as you are. Newsflash. I know its hard for you to believe. Your opinion can be wrong. Flat Earthers have this little opinion the Earth is flat. 

This is very much where your opinion stands on the moment. New Players have been actively punished for starting the game later then everyone else btw. 

Not directly, but as Warframe comes out with new content, DE nerfs farms, makes certain mechanics time gated, then leaves them be for years. Do you remember Draco Ceres? The map everyone would farm for Focus School rep? I miss those days. I could actually get decent reputation from that. 

Other farms that have been ruined. The best Intrinsic Farm was recently ruined because DE really likes forcing everyone to play a game mode that they ruined. (For example making Arch Melee actually terrible.) 

So new players have very little standing they can get with syndicates now, despite most rep standings being largely outdated. 

25 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

What's funny is that you appear to have nothing to say about the apparently non-entitled new player's take on the fact that they are like a kid in a candy store.

Shame that kid in the candy store can't afford any of it. 

There's a little sign in the store that says: "Must be this tall, or pay this much to have access to this content." I know using your brain is hard for you. What Mastery Rank is no longer "new player status"? I'd say Master Rank 10 or so. That's 250,000 Mastery Rank. 

That's 84 weapons. or 42 warframes. Weapons take a day each to level, warframes take 12 hours to build all the parts, then 3 days to build the warframe. That's ignoring that new players don't have the slots to store all that gear. 

29 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Well, no, I don't suppose "funny" is the right word, maybe "sad" would be a better fit. Either way, I did chuckle at how hard you seem to be trying to look hard. 

Oddly enough. The hardest thing for me to find is anything resembling a smart argument, a shred of logic, or anything that might be confused for a brain when I look at your posts. 

I'm trying really hard. Not finding anything matching those descriptions.