ShogunGunshow
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6 minutes ago, (NSW)frog85g said:
The situation sucks. There isn’t much that can be done at this point that wouldn’t be a backstab to the people who already bought it (aside from like, giving out full refunds and doing a complete rework)
Yes.
This is what they should do.
If they let the bundles exist as manipulative inflated garbage because refunds would be a lot of work, it's a pathetic excuse.
It ain't our fault they decided on such a terrible bundle. They need to take the L on this and do the work.
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You need to make these not time-limited and offer refunds to people who bought it just for the exclusivity.
As long as the fomo aspect is in there, these are still incredibly manipulative, and unfair to anyone that, you know, can't afford to throw $90 at cosmetics during a time when the economy is in the toilet and we're paying more for everything.
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The amount of platinum in the package is the least problem with these.
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4 minutes ago, MirageKnight said:
So DE thinks the solution is to dump more plat into the package.
No thanks.
They responded?
E:just saw. Man what a take.
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Thanks for looking up the dates for those, it's been a while.
Yeah that's a bad theory on my end, then.
And yeah I'm aware of how the wording for heirlooms right now is that they'd be gone forever. Obviously any plan to offer them during future TennoCon's would require a change in language soon (and probably an offer of refunds).
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3 minutes ago, PublikDomain said:
Those two and Proto Excalibur and Nyx Nemesis were made permanent with Rhino Palatine.
Yeah, DE recognized that creating more time-exclusive skins was kind of a trashy way of doing things. Or, cynically, maybe they made the calculated decision that it had been long enough that no one would care anymore that they weren't exclusive, and they had more players willing to fork over more $$$ that couldn't get it the first time.
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35 minutes ago, PublikDomain said:
DE had time limited Deluxe skins with Saryn Orphid and Valkyr Gersemi and ditched the idea soon after with Rhino Palatine. Deluxe skins haven't been time limited since 2015, why should they start up again now?
Time limited like prime resurgences can be. The window might close but it will open again. If DE wanted to do heirlooms that way, with around TennoCon being the window to pick up previous years' heirloom offerings, I would be more or less okay with that. You don't get screwed forever because the economy sucks and you maybe can't justify $90 on game cosmetics.
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Like, all DE needed to do with these packages was make one that didn't have Aya attached, and announce that the skins and attachments themselves (not the 10 year sigils) would be returning for purchase during a future TennoCon.
There'd still be the issue of it being only $ and no option for plat, but I feel like that would remove 90%+ of the anger.
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Brozime very specifically avoids the reasons people are upset with the package. Their reasons for buying it are 'I'm having a good time in Warframe and want to support the developers.'
Which is, like, not... the issue. People that are upset want to support the developers, too, they just don't want to get screwed through their pants.
And yeah, his 'well it's really $50 for the skins with $40 of regal aya, so it's really not that bad!' ... The idea of 'but what if you don't need/want regal aya' isn't even touched on. Because it's ridiculous.
Speaking personally, the price is kind of egregious, but it's the 'get it now or forever hold your peace' FOMO bs is the worst part. Like even Brozime admits 'this is Mag's best skin and it's not close.' The idea that it then disappears to never be acquirable after December is psychotic to me.
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2 hours ago, ShogunGunshow said:
I wouldn't hold my breath on Brozime if you're expecting him to take a swing at DE.
Most likely outcome is he takes shots at the community's anger and carries water for DE with a reductive, trite "devs gotta make money" (ignoring that most of us aren't advocating for getting anything for free, we just don't want players to be screwed through their pants/DE to use FOMO tactics), and then ignore it after that.
Yep, called it.
I like Brozime's content, but holy s*** the dude must be shredded with all the water he carries sometimes.
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42 minutes ago, MirageKnight said:
Thing though is he’s fairly well known in the community and he said he’d do a vid on this particular issue soon.
Be interesting to see what brozime has to say on this as well.
I wouldn't hold my breath on Brozime if you're expecting him to take a swing at DE.
Most likely outcome is he takes shots at the community's anger and carries water for DE with a reductive, trite "devs gotta make money" (ignoring that most of us aren't advocating for getting anything for free, we just don't want players to be screwed through their pants/DE to use FOMO tactics), and then ignore it after that.
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3 minutes ago, PollexMessier said:
Oh they are! I was under the impression that those were timed exclusives and never really bothered to check. Thank you for pointing that out.
Yeah the Saryn one is kind of whatever but the Grendel Nian skin is *fire*. That'd be some bulldookie if it was timed exclusive.
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The longer this drags on without announcing a change to the pack and an offer of refunds, the longer the potential backlog of potential refunds grows, and the more unlikely a viable solution becomes.
I'm actually kind of surprised we've heard jack from the devs, especially given the volume of response and how it's drowning out discussion of what they actually want people to be talking about (1999).
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51 minutes ago, PollexMessier said:
And with Heirloom specifically that's gone up tenfold as the only example of this for frames. Besides the Lunar renewal skins, which no new player will learn about for a long time due to the frames they're for being fairly deep into the game.
I feel like I should point out that the Lunar Renewal skins for Saryn and Grendel are also just available to buy on the market. They're anti examples of FOMO.
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4 minutes ago, Oberick said:
I don't get why they aren't building voidshell into all the new skins aside from wanting to sell the same skin twice. Every new warframe should be a voidshell skin as base.
Because f*** you, pay up.
No, you're right, it is kind of bull. Voidshell should be baked into the default released skin of every warframe at this point, locked until the player acquires some of the voidshell textures/materials.
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31 minutes ago, Prexades said:
By your logic no one is responsible or you suggesting responsibility is with the one guy who typed in the numbers of the price into a console?
... I think they're saying, you know, Tencent.
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8 minutes ago, Stafelund said:
To make you feel better earlier I saw a reddit post that's against this heirloom skin that's highly upvoted which made me want to look around here about this again in this forum.
Considering the volume of threads the forum managers have merged into this one, I think it's a safe bet they're aware of the negative feedback.
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Mykk lacks any actual arguments to make, they just drop their deuce and then spend the rest of the time castigating HOW someone else posts than the actual content, or speculating whether or not their post deserves likes, or other deeply weird behavior.
It is not worth it to argue with them. Just ignore them.
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For me the fomo aspect is always rooted in the age-old "but what if I want it later?" question. That's what happens in my brain every time with a timed elusive thing. It becomes compulsive, especially when I've got ten years of investment in a thing.
It's a S#&$ty practice.
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4 hours ago, Atomic_Noodles said:
We've already had some FOMO packs in the past. The New War and Sisters of Parvos Supporter Packs also had exclusive cosmetics tied to them too. Where were you guys the last 2 years complaining about those. I.e: Boomie Glave Skin and Ambassador Tenet Skin.
The Price is definitely just being inflated due to being bundled with Regal Aya you can't opt out of. Also it seems to have regional pricing in effect as I am able to buy it for 168 Malaysian Ringgit which is roughly 37 USD.
Ah yes, the Ambassador Tenet skin. I mean, the regular Ambi just looks like this
But the Ambassador Tenet? Oh man, it's completely different. Let me show you what you're missing!
Spoiler
Yeah, THAT'S why no one really cares about the Ambassador Tenet skin.
Also, like. It's the Ambassador? That's another reason.
The Boomie Glaive is good and it's a bummer to not have it, but it's a lot easier for people to ignore because, like, it's a weapon, not a whole warframe. Also I think people have a relatively high confidence that it will re-emerge at some point (maybe around Yareli Prime).
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I'll be real @Binket_, you're probably screaming into the void with some of the people you quoted. Mykk doesn't believe that FOMO is real and thinks you just need to exercise self-control.
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11 minutes ago, Waeleto said:
I really hope youtubers don't turn a blind eye and speak about this, it's gonna impact the entire future of warframe monetization
Potato has talked about the price already but didn't mention what is (IMO) the bigger issue, the timed exclusivity. We'll see.
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8 minutes ago, Gaxxian said:
Nah, they cannot... if they change it now, they will spit in the face of the whales. And since was real money purchases, doing a refund mean to lose a lot of money in the transference.
Very few people would actually refund, and although they would not see quite as many sales as they would during the availability window (since people are not being pressured), they would make way more sales in the end over the course of years. Especially if they put it on a rotation like primed accessories.
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11 minutes ago, Alpha-Braten said:
Your negativity is insane. You judging the majority of founders because the minority had bad habits.
I am a founder and like many of us I would allow the Community to get their hands on Excal Prime.And whats the consequence of your judging. Because of envious people who get toxic in their perception of founders they are prejudging them for playing with excal prime.
I had such situations too. The one part of people are „wow cool an excal prime. What an honor to see one“ and the other part are extrem toxic and offend you because you play him.
Also fact is that the majority of the founder barely plays excal prime. He just gets dusty in the arsenal.
Most of the founders in my list never play him. Some had ages ago their most play time on non prime oberon or other frames. Not on excal prime ;)
Yeah, it'd be nice to use Excal P without the associated heat.
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PSA: Heirloom Collection Platinum Changes & Lessons
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It's because platinum is the easiest solution for them to try.
Everything else involving changing the packages and the terms of the bundles/skins is doing actual hard work with refunds.