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As an avid Mirage user I am glad she is not being nerfed. However, I do have to agree with others in this thread that the Helminth nerf from 150% to 30% is rather... drastic. While I cannot speak with exact numbers there are things to consider vs Roar. Many others have already mentioned Roar buffing abilities, double dip on DoTs, buffing teammates without needing a mod, etc. As such, Helminth Roar does much more with 30%. Perhaps we start somewhere in the middle, 80 or 100% and adjust as needed from there? Thank you for listening to our feedback these past few days. I hope we can be civil and constructive when providing feedback and we can find that sweet spot together.

The Guardian Armor augment? Ha, I doubt that mod will give him any new life. It's not reliability in his Vex Armor thats an issue. The impact of his buffs isn't enough to justify running him over basically any other warframe except in Profit-taker. And even then thats just because he can boost credit drops. Also, with this nerf they'll be working against themselves. They want to rein in Nourish usage but they'll be removing a competitor. By their own statistics Eclipse is the third most used subsume but it only used 1/3 as much as Nourish, even Roar is only 1/2 of Nourish usage. And why use Eclipse when like you said Roar exists? At which point why not just switch to Rhino? You get Iron skin and a full power Roar. Defensives and dmg at the same time, a drawback Eclipse has intrinsically. He'll be more impactful than Mirage cause it won't even take a mod slot to buff allies with an All Dmg multiplier thats way stronger than Mirage's future additive Eclipse. While I agree reliability is good and important, reliability means nothing if it is not impactful.

Hmm yes just like why people play Chroma for Vex Armor regularly, reliable and not worth a damn. Wait a minute... do people still use Chroma? I understood and accepted that the Helminth version would be nerfed. But by changing it to additive dmg, which we have many more for. It's just useless for giving any meaningful dmg increase. We had a kiddy pool for dmg while so many other frames have Olympic pools for dmg. We could still swim around and have fun. You're basically saying we should be happy we got downgraded to a shot glass because now we get a straw with it.

So in exchange of making Mirage more user friendly... they decided to absolutely dumpster her weapon damage playstyle? Why? Screw it, go back! I love my weapons platform Mirage even if light levels was annoying af. I do not understand why they would make this change. DO THEY EVEN REMEMBER CHROMA?! How many people subsume Vex Armor? How many people play Chroma? So the only valid playstyle for Mirage is spam Sleight of Hand? Or Prism? Ah yes I enjoy the playstyles where I stand on one f-ing spot all game! Do we have usage data on how often those playstyles get played? Oh we can't have Roar or Nourish power creep. So you ONLY want those to be subsumed? Oh yeah that sounds sooo balanced! All I know is the reason and playstyle I have loved playing Mirage since her day 1 is dead. I'll eat my words if they backtrack on this nerf, but we should all know their track record by now. I was hopeful things would get better.

So in exchange of making Mirage more user friendly... you've decided to absolutely dumpster her weapon damage playstyle? Why? Screw it, go back. I love my weapons platform Mirage even if light levels was annoying af. I do not understand why you would make this change. DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER CHROMA?!

+1 for Tap/Hold Toggle

Hi, Mirage enjoyer with another broken Incarnon. So Incarnon Boar Prime, my findings so far... 1. Clones from Hall of Mirrors have their own Incarnon gauge. 2. Clone Beams have terrible homing and lock compared to the our beams. 3. Clone Beams do not split into 3 beams. Here's a video...

Not sure if it's a bug or intended but Incarnon Kunai thrown by Mirage's Hall of Mirrors clones do not have homing. Pretty disappointing and pretty much kills my excitement on this weapon. Other homing weapons like Incarnon Miter and Cyanex work just fine though. Also on a different note, Tenet Envoy also has broken tracking but only when you are a client, being host works fine.