MarrikBroom

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    Warframe Prime Time #235: Tonight at 7pm ET!

    I dunno, after @Letter13 stepped in I was pretty happy given news one of the Problem Clique has been removed and another got a proper rename with a potential two others gone (or maybe bad info.) So I want to drop the bile and acid and hate for just a minute and commiserate with Reb and Megan over the fact Redeemer Prime handle is a really annoyingly rare drop (I bought mine because I like Redeemer almost as much as i like Oberon.)
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    Warframe Prime Time #235: Tonight at 7pm ET!

    in b4 hot pink rhino wearing butterfly wings. twerking in the middle of the relay
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    Warframe Prime Time #235: Tonight at 7pm ET!

    Zephyr Deluxe is ahead of Limbo in that line.
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    On the matter of Forum Moderation and 'apparent' Mod Culture

    This I agree is fair. After all, in the case of infamous chat mod leaving? What good would be served especially given the likely ensuing.... well... I have visionsof a horrifying fire combined with a riot and I'm pretty sure that would put that situation rather mildly. I can see the point in that since that provides just enough information to leave a lot of assumptions. I was thinking less 'leave the post shell' and more a noete mid thread at trimming having occurred, like you had done in the chat moderation thread was more what i was visualizing since a mod making a statement post thread reorganizing with private messages as applicable (to people who actually broke rules rather than 'ok this is interesting but we're getting off topic' seems to me fair. See to me you come off as overly combative, and that because i have complaints i Must be this paranoid unpleasable wonk whom you must tilt at until I admit you are right and I was stupid for ever daring to raise my voice in objection. What Letter13 has done is address my concerns in a well worded response. I don't nessicarily agree with all of it, but i can see the logic they are working under. Meanwhile you are simply screaming 'PARANOID UNPLEASABLE IDIOT!' One is helpful and the other is not.
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    On the matter of Forum Moderation and 'apparent' Mod Culture

    The more done out i nthe open and the less done behind closed doors unless ABSOLUTELY NESSICARY the better.
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    So on the subjectof chat moderation: ANy non-PC folk able to chime in? I'll admit a bit of pc-centricness to my tone and i have heard horror stories about ps4 so... Yea. Guys?
  7. That is from @Letter13. They made a fairly well worded point in that topic that Forum Moderation is distinct and different from in game Chat Moderation with differing persons, personalities, and an environment that at the very least gives the opportunity to take a few minutes to consider rather than 'I have to act now because that guy is being ultra spammy and or very obviously acting in ways we do not want here. Act Now.' So with a proper topic for the matter I have... a few observations and opinions that are wholly my own. This is not the matter in dispute. What, however, is would be the fact often this is often without notice or notification or discussion. I have a rather strong dislike of that sort of behavior as 'I don't have to actually tell these people what i'm doing and I can just say we're active and there is literally nothing that says we haven't been except our owrd.' Notice notification and the like would help to show where and how you have to step in as opposed to 'we're doing our jobs. Trust Us.' I'm rather put out by this wording because it gives the impression of 'the community wants us to crawl to them on bent knee with cap in hand going 'Please Sir we would like to do our jobs Sir' otherwise a complete mob ensues. As far as I am aware, and i could very well be wrong, it isn't what you are doing that is the problem per-se (since in my opinion the pruning was largely warranted as it trimmed clutter and arguments.) The problem is the apparent lack in giving notice or discussion on the matter. which gives the appearance that staffers feel they don't have to give any sort of notice when and how they act which, again to me, is a sign of 'I don't have to consider what these people who are beneath me think.' To me, and again I must stress that this is my personal opinion, that is a sign of the sort of community the bad apples that were removed from in game moderation grew from, as they didn't come about from a vacuum. These elements wouldn't have had years of time to develop their attitude that they are immune from pushback or complaint if there was not a wider environment that allowed them to continue, again I stress that they had been allowed to do these things for quite literally years of community complaint with nothing being done. So while there is a clear distinction from Forum and Chat, the fact that Chat was allowed to persist with the staff mentality being to circle the proverbial wagons and the wider meme of 'the official forums banhammers anyone with complaints or anything less than glowing praise' now that the Chat mod situation is being addressed (FINALLY) I feel it is time to start addressing the Forum situation. If this were true than it would be quite reasonable a stance to take. I have to note that Letter13 had popped in now and again to try reigning problems in, and in personal discussion seems like a fairly nice person. My problem is this is not the only mod on staff and there are several instances of posts simply vanishing and it taking an entire thread's worth of posters asking before a mod will bother responding. I do not know what the back-end looks like so best to not attribute malice to a situation, but it is worth pointing out one mod trying to be good and do what I feel is the right thing by communicating is often undone by one or more that are just 'nope don't feel like I have to talk about what I'm doing.' Given the current climate created over the chat moderation situation, that sort of behavior hurts all moderators on all platforms whether they're trying to do right by the community or aren't doing so stellar of a job. While this is a rather generous offer given Letter13 put a bullseye on his head with an invitation to flood his inbox and make more word for himself? That... shouldn't have to be done because it shifts the work from the player to the staffer who might not even have been involved in the mess. Plus with a clear and public record of who did what the prior claim of 'we do a lot around here' can be backed with publicly reviewable statistics rather than assertions that cant' be verified. Apologies to those that volunteer here that have tried doing the right thing by communicating with players, explaining, and trying to be part of the community rather than above it. However now is, in my view, the time to start cleaning house so that 'moving forward' won't be done with this cloud of mistrust that currently exists.
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    I mean, fair enough? But when the discussion constantly is pruned and edited without notice or anyone stepping forward? That highlights a problem within the wider staff culture where it gives the appearnace you don't 'have' to answer to us or explain. I was bragging on you specifically for chiming in a few pagesago, which I will do so again because this is the exact sort of post I'd been hoping would show up. Well worded measured reasoning on 'OK thisis why the pruning is happening and i'm the one that didit.' That, that is awesome. Thank you. I realize moderating a fairly large community is taxing even with a sizeable staff pool and you have all manner of personalities involvedon all sides, but the constant pruning and deletion without anyone from the staff side really does fuel the 'us v them' mentality where the worst fears of 'staff here only act when they're forced to, and even then with the least effort required, and if they speak it's because you truely messed up because they're annoyed they must act.' Which... is unhealthy. So I appreciate you chiming in.
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    Why allow replies?Thisis a good question.For all the discussion that's happened other than the mod that popped in after a removal/trimming of posts a few pages back there's been no real DE Staff commenting on the matter. So... if you're not going to actually talk to us and discuss rather than 'here's the announcement Yaaaay' why not post the thing as a locked topic?
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    Please don't take this the wrong way but I know this thread was a fair bit longer than it was, enough that I had a post on page six. Understandably some pruning is nessicary but at the same time when we're voicing concerns over silent moderation it strikes me as funny that sort of thing strikes. Guys you seriously are not helping with the whole trust between moderation staff/volunteers and players by continuing to do this unannounced. Doesn't need to be anything particularly strongly worded just a sort of 'hey things are getting heated we're trying to keep the pot from boiling over' sort of thing? I dunno Ijust know it appears more than a touch tone deaf to respond to player concerns over transparency and giving informative reasoning behind actions by giving the silent treatment. IT's a bit like rearranging the furniture while someone's back is turned.
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    Agree completely. Having people just hand out punishments without any hint of what was done wrong until it hits the point of 'well we have to ban you. we gave you plenty of chances even though we didn't explain or even really notify you of anything but you ran ouf of chances' really stinks. Frankly this is where you and I disagree in the strongest way possible. You approach this as 'we give them any sign or hint of what is wrong and they will find ways around it.' I see your reasoning as 'we won't actually tell you the things that will get you in trouble so we can effectively make anything up we like.' As I have said before. An issue of trust and I see little reason to trust when those in charge of oversight have that mentality about those of us that are dependent on their judgement.
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    Nono not that one, though the appropriate name change may be 'enough' combined with the fact the one I am thinking of had a huge off site blowup that's been archived. So considering this happened? I want to believe they did a lot of house cleaning they would rather not drag out in open because it's a case 'what does this accomplish?' So bestto move forward.
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    At least one has stepped down (Voluntary or otherwise i will leave that for private speculation as the point is they are gone.) Two others are supposedly gone but that may be speculation or misreading information. So yes let's look at kickbot's behavior. As I understand it Kickbot does send log snippets surrounding a trigger word/phrase. The thing is kickbot should do just that, kick, not handing out auto-bans. I had suggested earlier using the in game mail system when handing out detailed reports on why a person gets banned, for how long, and more importantly what can be done, and who to contact about appeals processes presumably on a series of increasing levels of difficulty depending on if a person has a first offense, had to have a mod step in (and that mod deeming kickbot's response worth upholding and enforcing.) That way people who might have been falsely flagged? Light annoyance. Repete offenders going on about 'all feminists should die' or 'i like loli porn' etc? THey get handed a broken shovel and told to start digging. Now then Moving forward. DE themselves via Redtext or via staff accounts have made jokes on sexual self gratification, participated in spam that gets normal players banned, and otherwise have gotten away with behavior normal players would be banned for. THis is all generally 'DE is having a bit of fun at the situation,' however while I am fairly sure whoever uses RedText and those employeesthat show up aren't trying to be anything other than good natured? It is another in those thousand cuts of 'rules for thee but not for me.' I'm not saying DE shouldn't get to do these things, but when players get chewed apart over these things.... can one not understand the feeling put many have?
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    Chat Moderation Changes and Additions Report!

    Promoting friends on the surface seems like a good idea, you know them so therefor they should be pre-vetted right? Problem is you are looking at them as friends more often than not and willing to excuse a heck of a lot or not bother so much with the sort of strict oversight a stranger would get. I do like that they're keeping us in the loop, even though I feel pretty off put by the examples they put (those clearly are posts that need to go.) When kickbot kicks someone it should be a message that echoes the line that had the offending trigger statement, or if due to spam. 'you sent (x) 25 times in a row. You have been muzzled because you are spamming.' This archaic 'we won't let you know the actual rules because then you could abuse them' comes likely from one of the problem mods who is now an ex mod who blew up on twitter and made a tumblr post with tags that read to the effect 'I am going to bait people into breaking the rules without getting into trouble because I know how it all works and I can get away with it there is nothing you can do to stop me.' I'd forwarded the appropriate links to {DE}Bear because that presumably is part of his job as oversight to the mods. Mods are going to look at this topic super hard because to say this is a hot-button issue in the community puts it lightly and keeping the lighter away from the explosives is something we really want. This is why I am fine with 'resignations' instead of publicly frog marching the offending parties out into the open. If they wish to stay on as normal people and enjoy the game? Awesome. Everyone else should leave them be. If they want to be.... well... If they want to go on little angry twitter rants that get archived thus making a back door re-hire under a diffrent name very problimatic? That is entirely their choice.