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Alad's story is very disjointed these days. The way it worked out is that Alad was cured of the Infestation in Operation: Tubemen of Regor, where he asked the Tenno to steal Tyl Regor's gene research. His current form shows him healed but with purple scars remaining on his face, appearing this way in The Second Dream, Operation: Shadow Debt, and his Jovian Concord appearances. Strangely, this means that a new player can see the healed Alad before they even see the pre-Infested Alad, and well before you actually fight Mutalist Alad V at Eris. Ah yes, the trailer was a bit of a misdirect.

He says to "eject the bridge module" shortly before the ship blows up, leaving his fate ambiguous. However, Alad V complains later (in the Partnership fragments) that Nef Anyo has won Frohd Bek's favour. The timeline is not clarified but I take this as an indication that Frohd Bek survived. You mean the ghouls. Tengus is not stated to be involved in the development of Manics. If anything, they come from Tyl Regor's tubemen research (especially seeing as Regor exhibits similar combat abilities). Aria's story definitely happened fairly recently. Drusus Leverian says that it happened "surprisingly recently", contrasting it with his usual warframe stories from the Orokin Era or the Collapse. This is certainly true of the 2018 and 2019 TennoCon demos, which DE later acknowledged as mistakes that projected a future too distant to deliver quickly. After that, the TennoCon demos have all consisted of the first chapter of the next new big quest: 2020: Heart of Deimos, 1st mission; no changes to final release 2021: The New War, 1st mission, part of 2nd mission, and part of 3rd mission (interspersed for dramatic effect); no substantive changes to final release 2022: The Duviri Paradox, most of 1st mission; significant dialogue changes and a few mechanical changes on final release. 2023: Whispers in the Walls, (appears to be) 1st mission; not yet released. The last several TennoCon demos have shown no real difference in what was shown and what was released. They begin at the start of the quest, including introductory cutscenes, and end after the first mission. The Duviri Paradox is an exception, but is 90% the same as the final product, and the introductory cinematic was apparently produced by a third party (which I learned, like, yesterday) and probably wasn't ready to show by TennoCon.

I hope other people get this joke, it's so good

Devstream is still ongoing, but Dev Workshops should go live soon.

They're overhauling shield-gating!

The Sentients only wiped out Orokin Towers, not cities. Earth was already mostly abandoned at this point anyway due to a toxic atmosphere and inhospitable environment. Cetus did not exist until later.

This mod didn't exist in 2013. It's a kubrow mod; kubrows were added in 2014 and some species were even added later (can't remember for this species off the top of my head).

I don't recall anything specific off the top of my head, no. But trophies have never been discussed to be re-obtainable in the future, either. Warframe has a history from the start of having time-exclusive items that were not obtainable by any means after a certain point, most prominently Excalibur Prime and associated weapons, but also things like Arcane helmets (which were not originally intended to be exclusive but were made so after they were discontinued) and event cosmetics. So the trophies being exclusive is not a unique position. As you've said, DE have made some things that were previously exclusive more available, but that doesn't mean they'll do the same for other things. I sort of take the opposite assumption as you: I expect all exclusive things to stay that way until and unless DE decides to open them back up, which they have only rarely done. But the short answer is no, I don't think you're missing any relevant information.

You interestingly chose events that are partially in the game now. Operation: Shadow Debt featured the Stalker's Acolytes, and while most elements of the event do not recur, the Acolytes themselves are still in the game. I think adding an event to feature enemies that you can encounter in any Steel Path mission might be seen as lazy. You may recall that, prior to the introduction of Steel Path, Operation: Shadow Debt did recur infrequently (just the Acolyte hunt part). While the event is relatively interesting, the main draw at the time were the unique mod drops. Now that those mods have been moved to evergreen reward pools, combined with the Acolytes being evergreen enemies, I think the excitement is not quite there for this event. As for Operation: Rathuum, you can replay that at any time by… playing Rathuum. On Sedna. You can even do the Kela de Thaym Assassination mission afterwards, which still features her dialogue from Operation: Rathuum, 7 years later. Aside from the slightly different mechanics Rathuum had at the time, there's basically no part of that event you can't play right now. As for the trophies, DE have been pretty clear since they started doing those trophies (over 10 years ago!) that those are event-exclusive. They commemorate performance at a specific moment in time, much like the Grandmaster tributes in the Relays. DE are not going to let people earn old event trophies (with the exception of the Plague Star trophy, which works in a different manner than the others and can be built at any time).

Absolutely wild comment.

You are correct. The Zariman quiz tablets say there were at least 18 Radiation Wars.

Oh okay, I thought I was just tremendously unlucky. Been waiting to get a chance at these. Glad it's fixed!

I had this last night while playing The Second Dream. I thought it was my sound settings (didn't really bother to check) but if other people are having the same issue it might be a bug. It persisted through the entire quest, not just the first mission

Sorry, just trying to add additional context and the devs' comments.

Pablo mentioned in one of the post-Duviri devstreams that designing new Decrees can be tricky because they want effects that affect both warframes and Drifter, but they can't make those two halves significantly different on the same Decree or else the text gets too long for the box.

I mean, you've explained it right there: it's repeated spirals. Although the Drifter has been alive for more than a thousand years, they haven't aged that amount because their day always gets reset after they die. Most of that thousand years are actually the same day over and over again.

The Mag Prime Codex entry is quite old, from 2014 (15 May 2014). The details might not be exact. The earliest mention of Tau is, I believe, the Detron Crewman Synthesis entry, which came out over a year after the Mag Prime Codex entry (29 June 2015). DE might not have even known which star system they wanted to use when they were writing the Mag Prime story, and thus called it blue to distinguish it as alien from our own Sun. I also think the idea that the Orokin or Sentients altered the star during terraforming is probable.

Personally I don't trust Sythel's words on this topic. While she appears to have experience with the deeper aspects of the Void relative to the other natives of Duviri, her perception is warped by her fear and paranoia. Her implication – that Albrecht created the Man in the Wall – contradicts what others have said (Rell said it was "old as stars"), doesn't make a lot of sense (why aren't others creating their own Men in the Wall or other Void entities of similar power and scale?), and is narratively unsatisfying.

I'm not disputing that the Zariman was found adrift? I'm pretty clear that most of this paragraph is conjecture on my part. Your assumptions are that because conceptual embodiment has always seemed to involve a living person that the living person is required, and thus conceptual embodiment requires a living person present – and you present this as a fact when it is just your assumption. I suppose you could say that my theory relies on the assumption that a living person is not required, but my view is that saying something is not possible requires more evidence than saying it is possible. With few details on the mechanics of conceptual embodiment, I'm taking the position that there are few hard rules around it, and I'd need a lot more evidence than pointing to a couple of isolated instances to say otherwise. The Ember Codex entry is very old and already disagrees with many details from newer sources, so I tend to disregard it as a source of current lore. You say "History is written by the Victor" but the "history" at issue was written by the losers (primarily Cavalero). Cavalero doesn't say he used grenades, but "explosives"; such explosives were likely intended for terraforming work or fertiliser and would not be counted as weaponry. Another assumption. I appreciate the compliments. I think I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this point. I try to shy away from assumptions and theories in my lore writeups and just present the facts as we have them, but in my opinion the amount of evidence we have points strongly towards the Starchart Zariman being the Operator's Zariman. You have reached the opposite conclusion. I think Warframe's lore is often presented in such vague and disparate fashion (by design?) that this kind of thing happens not infrequently. I think that being able to discuss our points of view and contrast them even heightens the discussion on the game's story and world (as much as I can be annoyed by the lack of story details we get sometimes). I apologise if I've come across as impolite. I've been driving for many hours today and I haven't proofread this comment.

This has been the accepted conclusion ever since The War Within, but it's actually just an assumption. In TWW, the Lotus says: "When the Zariman was found adrift, the Orokin did everything they could to erase their mistakes. Transit recordings, personnel logs… everything was wiped out. The only thing they kept was… you." This strongly indicates that the Zariman was destroyed by the Orokin, but it does not say it explicitly. Some of the possible explanations I stated earlier in this thread: The Zariman was still entangled with the Void even after recovery and slipped back into the Void spontaneously from Orokin custody, which the Orokin covered up with reports of demolition. The Orokin did destroy the ship, but it was recreated from the Void as the Holdfasts were in conceptual embodiment. The Orokin decided the best way to get rid of the ship was to send it back into the Void deliberately, and thus it was never truly destroyed but remained in the Void. Of course, we still do not receive any explicit answers with Angels of the Zariman, so any of these or none could be correct. And the possibility remains, faint though I believe it to be, that the Zariman we have now is indeed the Drifter's Zariman, but the evidence points in the other direction as far as I'm concerned. I think this is making a few assumptions. My theory is that Quinn and the rest of the Holdfasts are conceptual embodiments of their own consciousnesses, which dwelled within the Void long enough to leave imprints. They aren't Drifter's memories of the crew but the crew's memories of themselves. The Holdfasts appear to be complete consciousnesses, missing a few small bits of memory of the incident itself but otherwise effectively identical to the dead people they resemble. I don't think you could get that from just the Drifter's/Operator's memories. I think their own minds created the basis for their own reincarnation through CE. Weapons were not allowed on the Zariman except the ceremonial ones which became the Incarnon weapons. This is also an assumption. We know the Operator took the deal, as we witnessed it during The New War. But the Drifter simply says that they are the "you" that "did not get rescued" from the Zariman, and that they did not receive Void powers. But did they refuse the deal? Were they even offered the deal in the first place? These are details we don't have. We also don't know if the other Tenno received deals; the current assumption as far as I've seen is that they did not. I agree that the issue of the other children in the Drifter's timeline is an open question that potentially has very important implications. I think this is also a strong possibility. The Zariman is so central to Warframe's plot that I could also see it being central within the plot, being a nexus of multiple realities. Archimedian Yonta may hint to this when she says "This place is like an embassy. Playing host to misfit realities that were never chosen." The fact that you can see Duviri through the Zariman's Void tear, as well as the fact that the Drifter's Zariman and the Starchart Zariman seem to be connected through the Dormizone, also lends credence to this theory.

I'm glad she liked it! I have similar discussions about other topics that you can find here, though none are as long as the Duviri one so far. I would love to see some of the Lost Islands return, although for a very specific personal reason: Acrithis (and some other Duviri residents) are pretty pessimistic about the long-term fate of Duviri, citing the missing islands as a factor, and that just gets me down for some reason. So I would love for DE to restore some hope to them. Of course, I'll also be excited about the lore implications as well, and I agree that there are so many opportunities to do things like holiday events and such. Plus, Duviri is intended to be accessible to all players, which is what DE would need for something like a holiday event. Anyone who's done The Duviri Paradox can hop right in and participate (unlike if DE did something like, for example, a Railjack-based event like Operation: Scarlet Spear).

It's in the cutscene dialogue when you rank up to Seraph with the Holdfasts. You can read it here (scroll down to Seraph cutscene). Archimedian Yonta: "And Quinn… the children didn't understand he was a friend. They blasted him to ash." The other thing Atsia is referring to is the audio logs uncovered in the Zariman ARG, which detail events before, during, and after the Void-jump incident. LOG_Z10_3_S-624ST (which you can listen to on YouTube) describes one of the insane adults being killed by a child with Void powers. The Husband: "Because the moment you turned to the sound of my voice… was all that child needed to prove… the Void doesn't just take. It also gives."

As Atsia points out, the details we've learned indicate that the Zariman in the Origin System is the Operator's Zariman. It was implied (though not explicitly stated) in The War Within that the Orokin destroyed the Zariman after they recovered the Tenno, so this probably contributes to the confusion. There are multiple explanations I can think of to explain the survival of the Zariman, though DE has not pointed towards any of these specifically: "Possibly the Void's grasp on the ship was never fully relinquished, and it slipped back into unreality from a Lua dock, which the Orokin then covered up with reports of demolition." (this is actually a quote from my Zariman discussion, which is slightly out of date) The Orokin did destroy the ship, but it was recreated from the Void as the Holdfasts were in conceptual embodiment; I personally doubt this. The Orokin decided the best way to get rid of the ship was to send it back into the Void deliberately; I think this is the most plausible. Angels of the Zariman is a wholescale retcon of older canon; this would be pretty unsatisfying. I take the Zariman floating in Duviri's sky to be the Drifter's Zariman, given that the Drifter created Duviri while on board the ship. I also think the two Zarimans are extensively entangled, such that they might occupy the same space and be essentially indistinguishable, but that's a bit of speculation on my part.

We have only very limited information on what happened on board the Drifter's Zariman. We may assume that all the adults went insane, as with the Operator's timeline, but seeing as the Drifter and other children in their timeline did not receive Void powers, the later events are completely unknown. But it's worth noting that, at least in the original timeline, the Holdfasts all died during the Zariman incident and were only resurrected by the Void much later. So I wouldn't take the Holdfasts as an indication that the corresponding individuals are alive on the Drifter's Zariman now. I mention this briefly in the "Topography" section:

The Holdfasts as conceptual embodiment is essentially established in Angels of the Zariman: This exchange (which is where conceptual embodiment is first named, btw) pretty much says out loud that the Holdfasts are in fact the products of conceptual embodiment. And Quinn can insist whatever he wants, but he himself tells us that the Angels are Holdfasts who did not resist the Void's song, so they are in fact exactly the same, at least in terms of origin. Quinn says that the Holdfasts "aren't like them" (emphasis added), which is true in the sense that the Holdfasts are the ones who managed not to fall to the Void's influence, based on what is implied is some inner strength of character. So there is a sort of difference there, but classification-wise they fit into the same bucket.