Attel_Malagate
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I see banshee/nyx/mag/limbo as more of a support frame than a fighter frame. Even Nekros and oberon to some extent. Support isn't defined by healing specifically
Again my play preference has nothing to do with balance so please leave "Oh well i've played longer than you so you're wrong and I'm right" out of it.
You can be beneficial without breaking the game. Currently she just removes the cost of everyone's abilities which breaks the game imo.
Nekros is useless besides farm and Oberon ... well do i really need to say how bad he is ? Trinity at least has a distinctive role in the team, and she is far from the popularity of lets say Loki, Nova, ....
Do we really need to nerf a warframe that is already disliked by most of the community ? after the prime acces release on top of that ? I mean, If something needed to be used as a measurement of how "OP" something is (I dont think anything in the game really is ...), I wouldjust look at the much more used frames and weapons wich are FAR more easy to use while you as a trinity have to be constantly managing your health, energy and thoose of your teamates to get a decent result, it is almost a learning curve, while molecular prime or radial disarm or any other 4 really dont need that much organisation or syncronisation.
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Removing the energy mechanic from the game for your entire team needs to be changed.
Powers have costs. With trinity...they don't. Gamebreaking.
Lol he the trinity neft thread he made was a failure so he tries to moove to the other one
Most frames can do as good as if they didn't have an energy supply (Frost/ Nova/ Loki, Ember, Valkyr.....) and pizzas are here for a purpose, energy costs are low anyway, most of the times, the entire squad runs 4 Energy Syphon, and the pickups are doing the rest, Trinity only allows payer to get that extra bit that allows them to use their abilities freely, (Thats her main, purpose as a support) I have done 60 waves with no trinity without any problems, but some setups are working better with one as you dont have to rely on the energy orbes.
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It's actually the most relevant now because they need to take trinity's overpowered kit into consideration. This discussion helps in pointing out all the problems that trinity brings. Like removing the energy costs from the game.
Also "Olololol I'm so D4rK I'm so elitist XDDDD" is the toxic garbage I was talking about. Blatantly trying to instigate people.
Still, you are trying to solve an equation with said seting while you know that thoose setings will change soon, it is pointless, what looks "OP" to YOU (as about75% or the replies are telling you otherwise) may not be in the near future.
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We need to wait for u18, the "nuke" will affect the ennemy scaling and then, we can start balancing frames around the new standard
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People min max each specific build because they run 2 trinities in a team...like in raids...or they run EV because blessing isn't necessary when your entire team has max energy 100% of the time. (EV is the root of all the problems)
Nerfs push the game towards a balanced state where some things are actually challenging without having to go 3 hours in endless missions to get to a point where you feel any threat at all.
Well I see your problem.
U18 is coming,and with u 18 the "nuke" of scaling and damage, so talking aboutit now is irrelevent, at least try to wait for the incoming changes before crying for a nerf
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Assumption and a very unnecessary comment.
Even less necessary. You haven't actually contributed anything yet.
Simply false.
Again simply false. It's efficient with very few mods. You most definitely do not need an entire build for it.
I'm saying it's available. And it's actually very useful for capture missions even though they are easy in the first place.
Bring a weapon. Weapons do damage. That's what they are there for. With link and 99% reduction you can kill things with a spoon with little to no risk.
Stand behind cover. Blessing does not have a range factor so you can be anywhere on the map.
She gives the team infinite energy and near infinite survivability. The entire team. That's not just "valuable" That's absolutely gamebreaking.
Saying "she's fine now" Doesn't automatically make it true.
I'll bite
=>Assumption and a very unnecessary comment.
-But most likely true seeing the magnitude of your ignorence of the most basic trinity mechanics
=>Even less necessary. You haven't actually contributed anything yet.
-what is a joke
=>Simply false.
-enjoy your two and a half second of damage reduction, do it, i wont juge
=>Again simply false. It's efficient with very few mods. You most definitely do not need an entire build for it.
-all the "composite builds of the world simply wont be as usefull, stop denying a fact: it's either EV or link and blessing
=>I'm saying it's available. And it's actually very useful for capture missions even though they are easy in the first place.
-still a meme, a super sutuational ability at best, making a topic about it is just whining about details
=>Bring a weapon. Weapons do damage. That's what they are there for. With link and 99% reduction you can kill things with a spoon with little to no risk.
-I dont see your point, trinity is not a damage dealer, she needs something to compensate
=>Stand behind cover. Blessing does not have a range factor so you can be anywhere on the map.
-and Valkyr can stay perma invul all day, loki can 2 and 4 all day, nova doesn't even need it because her 4 make any defensive ability unnecessary, thoose mechnics are all part of the game, stop ruining my fun for you "balance" game are made to have fun, and pve games dont need that kind of 'balance"
=>She gives the team infinite energy and near infinite survivability. The entire team. That's not just "valuable" That's absolutely gamebreaking.
-The problem here is the enemy scaling, not her, a Limbo will do it while providing the same level of defence as a Frost and energy restaures exist for a reason, and if you nerfed her, what would be the replacement ?
=>Saying "she's fine now" Doesn't automatically make it true.
-Saying she is broken doesn't automaticaly make it true
try harder
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Well of life:Used with energy vampire can kill almost anything in the game regardless of level. Exceptions include bosses, juggernauts, manics, nullifiers and things like that
Energy vampire:Supplies entire team(Including herself making her entire kit infinitely sustainable as long as there are enemies) with infinite energy. Single target CC. Armor ignoring damage. With mods can overshield team.
Link:75% damage reduction(Equal to about 900 armor), CC invulnerability, Reflects damage.
Blessing: up to 99% damage reduction for the entire team. Heals entire team/companions and fully restores shields.
So we have
Infinite energy for entire team
Autokill nearly anything in the game regardless of level
immune to CC
Nearly immune to damage
Makes entire team nearly immune to damage
Now. If we are going to talk about nerfing something that breaks the game...Let's start with trinity.
Said the guy who never played trinity ever
My trinity called, she is so sorry for being usefull and scale well she even promised to nerf herself so she is not usefull anymore
More seriously tho...
-Blessing and link are completely useless if you dont use a full duration build.
-EV' usefullness is greatly reduced using said duration build, an entire build is needed to make it efficient (negative duration, making her 3 and 4 useless).
-the 1-2 "combo" is a meme, noone is this game is using it, and if you do, you are in competition with my 90 year old grandma for the slowest player in this game because as you aparently never used this combo, it takes 2 combos to do the trick, unloading a boltor prime clip or an antimater drop will do the trick much faster.
-Trinity has literaly no efficient way to deal damage.
-The 99% damage reduction needs her to take damages,and with the damage scaling, you can get destroyed really quickly as even the 75% link is not enough to keep you alive and even a QT+ primed flow combo can't hold long.
-She perfectly fullfill the support role she was suposed to play as she brings something valuable to the team.
Trinity has been nerfed a long time ago and is fine now, just look at how many players are using her, I was waithing for the prime for a LONG time as someone who mains her, and I'd like to see the frame noone complained about in month stay as she is.
Your post is a complete clickbait, and poeple like you are bringing the forums down.
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China already got another exclusive...why is china getting treated better? is it because he's the child that gets Straight A's?
Cant we just be told new information regarding him already?
-puts a heavy bookshelf in front of his door-
oh dear god the founder salt army should be arriving soon...
>umbra excal is literaly a chinese
knockoff, version have you seen the chinese trailer ? nowhere near the DE's standard of quality, some work may be needed.>Wukong is from a CHINESE MYTH
What else can i say, we are still geting 99% of the content first, not to mention the terrible reputation of the chinese devs, the global build will get them soon enough, no need to be upset, the chinese need something "excusive" to be attracted, it would look like a letdown otherwise.
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Just make 2 separate channels one for the buyers, one for the sellers.
We would literaly divide the flood of message by 2, less time spent reading, it would avoid to destroy the economy like an auction house while solving the trade chat opacity issue.
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Adding another parameter to the equation just means more complication when it comes to maxing 1 or 2 stats, this smells nerf from a mile away.
As transientfortitude will be just another wersion of blind rage and fleeding expertise will negate itself, congrat DE, you just made 2 mods useless ......
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>be me
>do a random infested mission
>silenthill.jpg
>alt f4 warframe and run in my bed crying, spent the whole night with bedroom lights on and a shotgun in hands
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In this topic I will be an elitist idiot and spit on any new players because I can
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I really hope this tumblr leak was a hoax because I would really be disapointed if the kubrow armor was a thing, Kubrow are just not interesting for me, dumb, no ranged attacks, no particulary usefull passives compared to sentinel, It is just like the volt prime acces and the archwing, the kubrows are not polished enough in my opinion to be primed, I'd rather see some new weapons like sibaris, all the missing AK primes, nikana, ...
Anyway, trinity would still be really great and we can maybe hope for some other accesory like a sugatra or a sigil with the armor.
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I agree
I can tell you that most of the new players in my clan get really bored when they see that they can't get all mods and that they will need either to farm prime parts for days or to pay to get IPS mods or event mods (selling them with Baro was bad dumb idead in my opinion because players are still increasing their prices, and this is not something fun, players should be able to reach thoose ESSENTIAL mods by themselves, just go to the warframe's general topic on 4chan and you will get an idea of how sarcastic payers are sometimes, trying to sell new payers anything at a scandalous price:
"LOL I just sold an electric status mod set for 1000 plats XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD" or "I sold this guy a tempo royale for 500"
I know free marked is necesary, between payers, but thoose event mods are just to important to be ony accesible by that way, they should be aded to the game drop tables ASAP, warframe is grindy enough, no needs to add a couple of abusive sellers as a necessary path on top of that, the suply granted by baro is just to low, and IPS mods are still missing, this situation will just continue to make poeple quit because they are facing a limit where any evolution is just not wort the trouble, adding them into higher mission drop tables or bosses would help greatly.
Btw I'm MR20 and I have all of them, so there is nothing personal in that request.
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Syndicate effects .... are ok and dont need a nerf
Seriously tho, i wouldn't be against a way to disable them sometimes
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Why can't you just let it be ? Like you know, poeple are having fun with a frame literaly noone complained about in month, what about just letting go ? and leting the payers who enjoy playing her peacefully ?
I know it is hard to hunderstand, but sometimes, things are just fine the way it is, Trinity is for me ne of thoose things, she has been nerfed, her mechanics still allow some potential but with a limiting factor AKA either using a weapon to self harm and so building it not to insta kill you, so reduced damages on said weapon or having to rely on ennemy damage to get damage, wich is not a very reliable solution, also, i just want to remind you that trinity has no damage abilities or CC, so her main and only goal and use is suport, personal (link) or for the team (blessing/EV/WoL) without such abilities, i dont see how she would be of any use, merfing an anecdotal build on a frame already not very used is not a very good idea in my opinion.
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I got trolled until mission failure during the gorgon wraith alert because i didn't bring an EV trinity but a blessing trinity, (considering the no shield mode, it was a justified choice, i was paying in pubs and i didn't knew what warframes would be my allys) and so the nova en the mesa i came acroos got angry and started afking so i was the only 1 defending ....)
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This ^
Her 2 is fine except it like Miasma should probably have a balance check to function like Regenerative Molt....negative duration loses ticks.....but both can retain EV can retain Burst energy upon enemy death.
It would be nice if EV cast on a Well of Life enemy would auto cancel well of life so you wouldn't have to be punished for building duration with Well of life.
If self-damage ever gets removed Blessing will become more engaing as some of us might actually need to watch other player's health rather than just Glaive/Penta/Orgis/Castana our feet when timer is up*
Or since Trinity already has Energy Vampire : Blessing could inherit Renewals drain over distance healed....
Currently Trinity is the only healer that doesn't require the party to be with in Shared Affinity range without penalty.
Sorry, but I have to disagree, Trinity is fine as she is, I main her, and i can tell you she isnt boring at all considering she requires a good management of energy, life and ally's condition, she may not be your style, be she definitively is mine, I dont think she need a rework, also, the blessing thing you talked about is called a nerf and TRINITY GOT HIT BY THE NERF BAT ENOUGH.
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Radiation based pump action corpus shotgun!!!!
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PLAY SOLO
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OAnd for the love of god stop trying to keep players from having fun, you are literaly nothing and have no rights to dictate what weapon or playstyle should be use, period
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As someone who mains Trinity, I'd say that she is fine the way it is, she is not boring, in fact, building her and managing the balence between HP and energy is very entertaining, she is not that godlike tho, past wave 50 on late insurvival, i can get downed very fast even with link and QT/rage, and geting the 99% damage reduction takes either an entire weapon build (explosive weapon with reduced damage so inefective)or a good timing to get damaget by enemies just at the 2 hp limit, and this is the tricky part once you get in higher tier missions, she is very versatile however.
IMO she is just suited for certain playstyles, but definitely fine as she is, i really hope the nerf bat stay far away from her, she got beaten sooner (with some justification tho)
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Not something creepy but really cringe worthy....
>At least 10 times I heard a 10 YO mostly runing either loki or rino and boltor prime yelling at me with their Bieber tier voice in french, and i swear, you would already find the voice iritating without said voice butchering your native language more than i'm butchering english in this post.
>All thoose Edgelord rining ash or loki with a solid black as a main color and red as their second, dragon nikana or hate (I used to be one but at least i tryed to temper this with grey/ white so it doesn't make other payers feel like i want i to whip them th death with thier own digestive organs and i didn't stayed quiet for theentire run ..... i even ran with 3 of thoose creatures at the same time, .... not unsetteling at alll... ) I also have a theory about them, they must be what's born of the stalker and a red veil female member or something .............
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Lol XD, calm yourself and steady your aim. It's ok lol.
I still can't figure out what kind of thinking can lead to thinking that nerfing anything popular and working is a good idea... I mean, there are some tweaks needed, but just look at trinity or nova, they got nerfed enough, particulary trinity, what can you take out of her without making her useless ?
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Wait me? I agreed with you lol.
woops wrong quote ^^
Let's Talk Trinity
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Posted · Edited by nononimous
I wouldlike to point out why i think this is not an infinite godmode, in fact, to get that 30 sweet seconds of damage reduction, you need
-An entire build
-A weapon moded for self damage if you want to use it consistantly and not once in a while
-To get close to death so you only have you energy left to keep you alive
-A good timing particulary at high level so you dont die in you vulnerable phase, because if you hapen to have less that the cost of you 4, you are dead, pure and simple
Have you ever seen an ability in Warframe requiering that amount of effort ? for a duration THAT low ? becaus i might as well just spam rift walk with limbo and run around for twice the amount of time you can ever get for your blessing, reviving allys, being invincible and having infinite energy and damage increase and on top of that, you are literaly choosing who to fight, isn't that "OP" same with Loki's disarm and invisibility, Valkyr's hysteria, Vauban's bastille, Nyx's absorb, Nova's molecular prime, and so on, all good warframe are build around an adventage that makes them valuable, i dont see why trinity, at the price of that amount of preparatoin would not .
I think we deserve that immortality phase, it only last a few seconds, it needs and entire waepon+warframe build to be casted more than once in a while, and it require you to be permanently aware of both link and blessing timers as well as your health, your energy and your allays.
Speaking of energy also, a nekros will give you as much as energy as a Trinity while providing you an enjoable amount of extra ressources, and at last, a 300 energy pizza is easy to craft and will just replace both Nekros ans Trinity.
She is a fun and versatile frame, i dont see why we would sudently and a few days after her prime release nerf her to the ground while she got nerfed age ago.