arch111

That was very well put. We live in very strange times. You are likely correct this would spark some of that. Heres the thing. When the Orokin made the warframes, they gave the virus to men and women, it transformed them and Ballas shapes them into weapons. There would be no obstacle for someone with godlike powers like Ballas had, to create two versions of one powerset and then let the 7 decide wich one to move forward with. The other one would still have the BP stored for Helminth. Warframes and Tenno are basically genderfluid. They don´t have genders, but they do have sexes ( I know biology gets everyone messed up) and the Deluxe and Prime skins are allready a complete rewrite of the original warframes design. This is Equinox Trivia. It would work well applied to the concept of dual genders. Despite the androgynous nature of Equinox's design, former Community Editorial Coordinator Adam Ma has confirmed that Equinox is a female Warframe with a masculine form.[1] Equinox appears as her composite form (both day and night) in any shared space, such as in the player's Landing Craft, in Relays, or while using Archwings. This form can also be seen briefly when shifting between forms with Metamorphosis. When customizing her appearance, a button in the bottom right of the screen labelled "Metamorphosis" allows players to switch between Equinox's three forms. However, leaving the Appearance menu reverts Equinox back to her Composite form. Equinox refers to a biannual event where daytime and night are of roughly equal duration. During her development, Equinox's separate forms were originally referred to as Anima and Animus, both of which are concepts in Jungian Psychology. They are respectively described as the feminine and masculine aspects of a person's psyche. Equinox is still referred to as 'AnimaAnimus' internally in the game files.

You make good points. Realistic we get a bodytype-option any time soon? Not really. For Tennogen it would make the most sense of course, I agree with you there. so many concepts and art that are just that, fanart. Nyx has her Nemesis deluxe, that tries HARD to make her male and allmost gets there, but this is Dark sector-related. One thing they could do is make the ones for Ember - male and Ash - female, that was actually their origin at one point. Call them Proto/Lost originals, Variants or something like this.

Right. Names, De would make up some cool name or go with the allready extablished balance. As for why put in all that work and should it be free or plat? 1. If free, Tennogen suddenly have oine more template to work from, wich can only be a good thing,. 2. If plat, that is the same thing as a deluxe yes. It would only make sense if pllayers would want it bad enough, and they only would if they looked absolutely badass. My take is that free would be the best way, the release of them would be slow and maby even by popular vote. Alot of us love Tennogen, and creators want more options all the time. I am sure this would lead to alot of creativity and frames impossible in the current state. Finally, this will probably not be a thing untill DE deliberately make a kitbash-frame like they talked about at PAX. That frame could have no restrictions, be genderless, and be a great testbed for this entire concept.

A deluxe is a new frame entirely, mesh, textures, fx and sometimes animation. So yes, a gender-alternative would maby be even less work than that depending of course of how much such a frame would be altered. Better to make a new one of you are going to do it. Warframes power lies in the shared skeleton, shared animations and shared cosmetics, though they often break and clip - but that´s games for you. The big work lies in making sure all gear, weapons, syandanas, skins, helmets work with the new one. We all have some frame that just clips like hell with our fav armor or ephemera, that they just can´t fix.

That what it would have been.

Maby Nyx who actually IS the twin of Excalibur is a better example of what a male/female option could have looked like.

A clarification This is in no way motivated by current day politics or the debate of genders and pronouns IRL. This is purely looks. I agree and understand it would require a dedicated small team, and I allso agree DE will never commit to it as long as they have grander and bigger things to worry about. PvP, Framefighter, Lunaro and the arcade are a few examples of rescorces put into projects on the side of their main bulk of work. Most who answer go to "It will be too much work" rather than the hypothetical: DE says in a livestream they are rolling out masculine and femenine models for 4 warframes as a pilotproject to let the players test this out. If it takes off, they will do more, if not they will be a one-off thing that you only get if you absolutely want it. To me this is a bit like Umbra. They say they will never do another one and I will allways want more. The reasons for not doing more Umbra are the same as for not creating a female Nekros. They once said they would never make Valkyrs original skin. And once they did, the deluxes just kept on coming.

Good thing you are not impressed, this was a push, pull, inflate, deflate operation that took me 20 minutes or so to do. Now imagine what 1 few days work could turn into.

I made this in 20 mins, so don´t take it so seriously. Someone wanted to see Baruuk as a female, so I played around with it for a bit. A true genderswap would be more than just a copy and boobs or pecs.

Lots of different thoughts. Thank you all for that, I appreciate it. All of the points raised are valid and I agree this would only be a thing if DE wanted to do it and ran out of ideas for new and good frames, so instead focus on making deluxes of different flavors. You can argue they are allready doing that now, considerable rescources must be spent on deluxe-variants and more and more exotic frames. Not to mention proto-frames and (I assume) entrati-based ones to come. Anyway, thank´s for playing everyone!

This, like Umbra, is more of a seasonal cycle I think.

Pretty much agree with all your points. Now that we are finally getting protoframes and a story about Stalker ( both requests of mine for 10 years now) all I really want them to do is another Umbra.

I imagine most feel that way.

Not really. I have been asking this for years.

You would not collect 2 frames. You would unlock a BP for both bodytypes. It would litterally be optional, and only if DE and the community wanted it.

I know all that. It depends on how you see it. The deluxes are obviously new frames entirely. And if they wanted to do this they would just make some addition to the lore and a reason for it to exist. I am for it at the end of the day, I get not all are.

Genderswaps, let´t talk. So. I have asked this in the past and since it came up again on Twitter, I just wanted to throw it out there. Should DE make this a thing some day? Would you want the option to choose male and female frame-bodies? Or are you just fine with things as they are? I made this today just to test things out in 2024. If Nyx had a male body-option. Liger back in the day did this one. Yes, I am aware it would require a new mesh for each frame and I understand the work that needs to go into it. That said I still want it, I allways did. -arch111-

Her normal body could of course be worked with emissives and normals. I will probably try that at some point.

A fast run. https://x.com/_arch111_/status/1754107200023273852?s=20

That´s an infestation for sure! I am so glad you got out the other side of it. And hope for the best to come. I have see experiments with sound-frequency, and a theory that the ancients actually used minerals and vibration to cure illness and engineering thousands of years ago. All of that is supressed like Tesla, but I think there is truth there. I have seen sound blow up cancer-cells under a microscope and this, plus nanobots and biobots are probably the future we see in Star Trek. Maby when all ice melts and the sea rises and swallows antire coastlines, the humans will come together to move forward together.

Sorry to hear that. My partner just lost her mom in december. I wish humans would wage war on cancer instead of all the other things they love to waste money on.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. Since you seem emotionally invested in this let me just say this. Relax, this is not ment as a serious submission to DE as a new deluxe. It is a fan-concept just like hundreds more. This is made for fun, and if you don´t like it, you don´t like it.

I don´t know that artist or those comics. I took a look at them and while it is good art, I fail to see your point. Makos design looks very different to the final ingame model. I loved the artwork for the skin I even posted that back in 2918, but the actual model and textures are not as good imo. So I can understand you like the design and the artist behind it, however I do not understand why that is a reason no to have more than one skin for Nyx. You are saying we have to choose one over the other when they look nothing alike.

Thing is that is a completely different look. This is a succubus, a temptress and not infested insectoid like that skin. And besides, she can have two skins right?

When I first started work based on makos designs, I wondered if DE would ever go for something like this. Then I saw the art for Staynax.