Vilemyre
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4 hours ago, Tangent-Valley said:
Oh my god THANK YOU for saying that point, becaaaaause~
Now your Umbra is EXACTLY like your Prime!!!! Just with slower cast speed to their Blind (AKA, Endgame survivability) Ability!!!! Yaaaaaay!
So, I guess by that logic, "Why WOULD you use Excal Umbra when you have Excal Prime?!"
And, done. ^_^Is there any actual hard evidence the cast speed is lower? Has anyone done any actual timed tests? If not please don't actually just throw whatever you hear from a stream.
And I use umbra over excal because while it has the orokin death orb passive and excaliburs normal passiv eit also has a ai passive which no prime to date has.
EDIT: literally running tests right now in the simulacrum and the cast speed is the same with each varing within 0.2 of a difference. literally 2 milliseconds. Thats nothing.
So not only is it a better looking excal prime with exclusive polarities that YOU CAN take off it has a unique animation with a exact time frame, a complete new mechanic no prime has and every prime feature there is literally no reason to use excal prime at all.
Also who on earth uses regular radial blind when surviving? You will likely be in exalted blade mode just use the slide radial is free to cast.
You can also move while using radial howl unlike blind so you have a much better chance of casting while getting yourself out of a situation where you'd be downed anyway.
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3 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said:
Good for you. You specifically used Power Strength, Armor, and Health altogether in an Excal Build.
Not. Everyone. Does.
So, good for you, you're Build is "safe", but for others....not so much.
So......again.....It. Limits. Your. Builds.And forma breaks those "limits" lmfao
its like you compeltely forgot you can take off those polarities if you really wanted to and just forma in new ones.
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5 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said:
It. Limits. You. And. Your. Builds. (End of Story, no point arguing this)
And I know about the melee. I was "Quoting" someone else and what they had roughly said. (And they were referencing the Old Days, more or less. You know, how things were until literally YESTERDAY.)No it doesn't I can literally make the same build I had on my excal prime and still have it be stronger than it for everything. In fact thats why I stopped using my excal prime.
Besides i'm sure +770% health over the +440% health of regular vitality is worth revising the build. (Yeah if you sue all three mods they boost each other to stupidly high levels of strength)
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17 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said:
First response from some folks I watched:
"Okay, what is thiiiiiis, DE? You're giving me Power Strength and Armor for Excal Umbra?.....Really?.....Really? I already got the Health option, this is just....I mean come ooooon. What am I suppose to do with this? You make my Blind slower, and you limit my Builds like this. Come on."
"Annnnd Power Strength.......okay.......Okay.......Not sure WHY they chose that route. Just equip Chromatic Blade and some good mods on your Melee and BAM you got everything you could out of a max Strength build. But I guess.....this is just here now.......okay...."
Yeah, those mods limit you and your Builds, especially "Endgame" worthy builds as some folks have been saying. The idea is that the Umbra wants to go in a direction, and Players are forced to adapt to its choice. It wants to go Sentient huntin', not Max Duration/Range Blind or Speed Blind building. Personally, I sorta like the direction, but I'm also not one to play Excal on "Endgame" content either.
I wouldn't call power strength, health and armor mods a sentient hunting only build though. They core essentials and even then you can forma out the polarities if you feel you have a better build in mind.
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"Annnnd Power Strength.......okay.......Okay.......Not sure WHY they chose that route. Just equip Chromatic Blade and some good mods on your Melee and BAM you got everything you could out of a max Strength build. But I guess.....this is just here now.......okay...."
exalted blade isn't affected by melee anymore lmfao
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So after having a good play around with umbra I can say as a founder he tops excal prime by a lot fo things. That being said his presence will likely invalidate any reason for prime access to exist I'm aware not all frame swill get umbra but all frames will get prime? At this point why? Rather wait for the next umbra than buy a prime.
That being said I feel like there is a way to rework primes into the game to be on par with umbra but it involves reconning their lore.
Basically rename prime frames with something relating to light. I'm unsure what the opposite of umbra would be (possibly lumi which is great for "the light of life" the only exception being limbo who cna be put into the umbra catagory and umbras can be added there onward. (make sense for a chroma umbra to exist too). That being said Excalibur "lumi" wouldn't be technically canon as he's more a offshoot for founders than a major plot point.
They'd be on par with umbra jsut their only difference being is they are designed for the ying part fo the ying yang symbolism in game. Only exception to these two entirely would be equinox which would be pure ying and yang which we can look at a one off name for her
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4 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said:
Primes = Best against the Factions and have Diversity in Builds
Umbras = More "Strict" in possible Builds, but Better against the Sentient Faction!......whiiiiich isn't quite implemented regularly in the game yet......so there's that "Soon" wait there. X'Dhow so? You are given mods that basically buff each other whens tacksed together with the umbra polartities more or less cutting the cost dramatically down to use them. In a sense they aren't really that strict (which si why you probably used quotes) because they rebound any faults.
They are actually very compataible against diverse factions because 3 slots only occupy core essential mods like steel fiber, vitality and intensifiy (which honestly are excalibur's top 3 mods to have in any build).
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28 minutes ago, corallein said:
You can't use both Sacrificial Pressure and (Primed) Pressure Point. The Sacrificial Umbra mods are replacements for the similarly-named mods. And while Sacrificial Steel is superior to True Steel, Sacrificial Pressure is just barely better than regular Pressure Point and worse than Primed PP.
Is that including with the scaling buff if you use both mods at the same time? (Both umbras I mean)
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13 minutes ago, (XB1)Evilpricetag said:
Yea streamer I was watching didn't realize the could add P Pressur point with the new mod. I didn't realize until last devstream that Charged Chamber and Primed Chamber work this way aswell. So I kinda assumed this for these mods.
There has to be a good reason behind all this. and the only thing I can think of is Tau is going to be pretty damn hard and higher level if they make that sector in the future.
The entire build itself is ridiculous in the current nodes we have.
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What i've learned about Umbra so far is this.
They have the orokin death orb passive, ai passive and, excalibur passive, share the same stats with excal prime and have much nicer visual design compared to excal prime (thats subjective though)
I'm also going to test with a differen't melee weapon but I also think he gains invisibility from stealth finishers. Though idk if thats a passive with the nikana he has. (Update: Its his sword that provides the invisibility stealth kill. Works exactly the same as loki's invisibility.)
He has some pretty powerful mods built in that he only has the polarities for. They are umbra exclusive (the polarities). He's designed for endgame play likely in the tau system.
Overall overkill right now and makes excal prime look like a trinket of a old past now.
Again rules stated they couldn't rerelease excal prime. Doesn't stop them from one upping it though.
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Could be a nod to dark sector. Could be they recycled his name.
A lot of stuff got recycled from dark sector.
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12 minutes ago, (PS4)lagrue said:
My bad, I must have looked at the wrong wiki page, regular Excal -_- We don't have Prime on PS4 so I didn't know his stats off the hand, just looked at the wiki but must have clicked the wrong page.
They may have buffed with when the sacrifice rolled out but nothing is in the patch notes so idk. Wiki could be outdated too.
Also scratch what I said about the passives. Even the umbra has the death orb benefits, excalibur's regular passive, and the AI passive jfc these are retconned primes.
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1 hour ago, (PS4)lagrue said:
The obvious choice is still Umbra. Biggest reason because when you actually do switch into operator mode Umbra keeps fighting. Plus Umbra is a direct upgrade, having superior armor and energy stats. Also looks visually superior just due to how dated and simplistic Excal P.'s model was.
There's literally no reason to use Excal P. except to show it off now.About the armor and energy stats uhh
They are literally the same. Only difference is unique idle animations, radial blind animation, umbra only polarities and passives being different.
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Honestly the quest made me feel bad for Umbra.
That being said I feel like this was overhyped and its ruined people's expectations a bit. I tried to come into it wiht a clear head. Did actually enjoy it and now i'm left with the conflciting feeling of wether or not I should use him or excal prime from now on.
My only complaint is holy hell so many bugs. I havent seen an update since with so many issues.
Just now, (PS4)lagrue said:You may notice when you go into operator mode the Excal gets A.I. and fights alongside you. That alone makes the Umbra quite unique.
Also did you guys not look at your gear and see all the Umbra mods which are direct upgrades to the mods we already have? New power and the ability to rethink some builds, perhaps even remove some S#&$ty corrupted mods. Looks great.
They stack too putting vitality when maxed to +770% with the combo buff. I actually want to see how much health inaros gets from that honestly. (Yeah regular frames can use them). -
1 minute ago, rafiki4000 said:
it is still only 4 pm in canada
I'd say after 7pm onatario time maybe its time for people to get some rest.
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There was a situation where the lato prime was in the china build if you bought a certain amount of plat. DE caught wind of this as it was in violation of their agreement and afaik it was later changed to the reaper prime.
They got umbra prime which we won't get and i'm content with that. (Though to be fair there isn't any design differences). Idk how the china build works either either but i'm certain it doesn't follow much of the same updates as the main build.
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Larunda 1 is pretty fun
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Wow communism
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Just now, (PS4)vl_Monarch_lv said:
Its changed now.
He's onto me
But tbh I think he jsut got sick of waiting
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Just now, Mnacko said:
The thing is all the WF partners are online on twitch... hmmmmmmm
Griddark already has "sacrifice out get your drops here" on his title for his stream and i'm like excuse me?
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1 minute ago, XideBeast said:
3rd cup of coffee within 2 hours of waiting for the quest drop....phew...need to buy some Mc Donal
God I want mcdonal right now
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1000 hours and forma in mspaint used the storefront text ingame
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Rhino
He big nuke boi
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Just now, godila2 said:
i gues biggest problem that they have to speed run quest every time to check if everything is fixed
AGDQ
Awesome Games Developed Quick
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1 hour ago, EndermanBeast said:
It was before. Sorta.
Holy cow now thats a nostalgia trip.
(SPOILER) About polarity. Did DE shoot at their foot with this? Whats the point of prime access now?
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Read my edited post. The cast times are literally the same with a both varying at 0.2 a difference on each test. It jsut looks slow but fi you noticed the blind goes off before the animation for umbra even ends. Theres not a single difference unless you keep dying by enemies by 0.2 milliseconds (even then both showed that difference in repeated tests).