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  1. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    To me it makes sense because how else would they know so much about the void if they weren't trying to find ways to understand it and Limbo just seems to fit that explanation to me. Another thing is on my mind about the Operator who died while using Limbo during his final rift walk ... what if it was intentional ... knowing that they could leave their mortal body and warframe behind and become energy within the Void just like Corrupted Vor is. 'All I have to do is rift walk here leave my mortality behind and become energy undying' The motives for wanting to die within the void while Rift walking; Bypass the need for a void key to become energy and therefore become immortal. Corrupted Vor is connected to a void key which could possibly be his undoing later in the game if we find a way to unlink him from his Janus Void key, If you found a way to become like that without being bound to something you're truly immortal right? Become undying like the Orokin 7 (if the operator was a lower class Orokin a researcher etc) etc. Ordis knew his final rift walk would be a disaster but what if it was calculated properly Ordis has limited knowledge about the Orokin he tried to kill them and failed, if this person who was operating the Limbo was a researcher they would know the risks and where they were going it's possible it was just a miscalculation but what I'm saying is that to people who weren't the Orokin researchers it would look like a simple suicide but it could be more than that.
  2. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    Yeah well I'm glad that it's actually turned into a discussion now :P Even if it's not Limbo it does make me question Ballas and his motives towards us in regards to us forgetting that his partner sacrificed herself for us.
  3. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    Remember that time you came in being condescending saying "You really need to read up on your lore." but now you're claiming you don't exhibit toxic mannerisms lol???
  4. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    Nothing in there??? "whose exposure to the V Void's energies had twisted and changed them, giving them inexplicable powers and abilities.(Void's energies)"
  5. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    All I'm asking is for people to cite their sources so we can discuss it but people are saying I'm wrong without citing sources you're probably the only one if one of the few that has actually provided anything to back up what they're saying so we could discuss it further, that's how theory discussion works.
  6. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    I'm saying if the man in the wall is now the Limbo operator and that the original voices Rell could hear in the wall were void demons. Void demons take over or corrupt this Operator and now we have a person, it is more likely to be the father from the quest but for the father to get corrupted that would still mean that something was there already in the void to corrupt him too right? What ever these entities in the void are they corrupt a persons mind. That's why it's called a theory I'm passing ideas around and you've got it mixed up and are trying to act as if I've said this is 100% cannon. I thought that was obvious but guess I have to say that ... again? Vor referred to us as energy and have a look at this I'll colour it red and bold it to make it stand out. The Tenno were created in an incident long before the war, during the so-called "Void Era", when a ship called the Zariman Ten Zero became involved in a void-jump accident that sent it lost in the chaotic sub-dimensional space(rift walking cough cough) known as the Void. When the ship reemerged from the Void and was recovered years later (what's not to say they developed the Limbo frame to try and find the ship? Just a thought inb4), the only survivors found were children, whose exposure to the Void's energies had twisted and changed them, giving them inexplicable powers and abilities.(Void's energies) Feared and reviled, the survivors of the Zariman nonetheless were of great interest to the Orokin. Yes she would have to try to protect us again assuming she isn't now corrupted by the void just like the majority of people who are exposed to it ... lmao plot twist The man in the wall isn't a man it could be Margulis. I guess that makes it okay for people to be rude instead of having a healthy discussion and citing sources I'll keep that in mind next time I post a THEORY
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  8. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    "1 & 2) The Orokin were "immortal" through Continuity, not because of Orokin Keys like Vor's Janus Key. The Orokin are not beings of energy." - I'm aware they aren't energy in the past that's not to say for certain that they aren't now? Even the wiki speculates that the grineer might be able to revive the queen we killed. Continuity Not to be confused with Transference. Continuity is a ritual first mentioned in The War Within, and is suggested to be the ritual the Orokin used for their supposed immortality. Continuity, in it's very essence, is the transfer of a consciousness from one body to another, with Kuva playing a role in it. According to the War Within quest, the Orokin used this ritual for their immortality. From dialog and scenery in the previously mentioned quest, the ritual most likely consisted of old and dying Orokin going to a Yuvan theatre, where young and beautiful would be put up for display and selection. The Orokin would then select the person whose body they would use as their new body, after which the Orokin would invade said person's mind to, as Teshin describes it, fill it with despair until only the Orokin remains inside the body. It also is suggested by the Cephalon fragment recordings that Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. If they die what are they? Dead ... hang on what happens when you kill corrupted Vor? The Rebirth After an indeterminate amount of time, his Orokin Key starts to revive him, ultimately linking his separated body together via a swirling mass of void energy. From that point on, he considers the Orokin as a godly being, even going so far to refer his Orokin Key as a "Janus Key". In his current state of mind Vor believes that he knows the "true" power of the Void, claiming that the Tenno are "trespassers" being led by a "false prophet" (most likely referring to the Lotus). It is unknown whether he has been convinced by his revival, or has simply been brainwashed by his own Key. As seen in The Rebirth, the newly revived Captain Vor is seen marching his way through Grineer troops to demonstrate the power of his Orokin Key, possibly leading his soldiers into the Void and corrupting them in the process. Captain Vor supposedly proclaims himself as energy, an immortal being incapable of destruction. Interestingly, he shares this same attribute as the seven of the Orokin, who, according to Ordis' Lore Fragments cannot truly die even when "killed". This leads to speculation as to whether or not Captain Vor's current status is regarded the same as the seven. Captain Vor supposedly proclaims himself as energy, an immortal being incapable of destruction. Interestingly, he shares this same attribute as the seven of the Orokin Captain Vor supposedly proclaims himself as energy, an immortal being incapable of destruction. Interestingly, he shares this same attribute as the seven of the Orokin Captain Vor supposedly proclaims himself as energy, an immortal being incapable of destruction. Interestingly, he shares this same attribute as the seven of the Orokin So now that we've established that not every .. single ... orokin is energy perhaps just the 7 but hey I didn't need to tell you that because you did your homework when you were so sure I didn't do mine right? Because over explaining small stuff like this is pointless when you've actually read into it. "3) Vor does not mean the Tenno are literally "divine energy", he means they are the source of the Warframes' powers. Their Transference is what powers the Warframes." cool you find me a wiki link to the lore the states exactly what the tenno are, until then we've just got vague pseudo science, correct me if I'm wrong but considering we can beam in and out of our warframes ... die and merge our consciousness into our warframe and leave our mortal corpse behind easy example would be 'Rell' Wouldn't that make us energy? 4) There are no humans, the Orokin or Corpus are the closest that remain to human. Humans, over an enormous time span, evolved and formed what we know today as the Orokin Empire. From there the Tenno, Grineer, Corpus, Infested, and Sentients faction-ed off after it's fall. Can't tell if you're being serious or not ... that's kinda obvious the tenno are tenno because they have the Hayden Tenno gene in them that makes them immune to the infested, the Grineer are cyborgs, the corpus could be debated to be cyborgs and genetically modify their DNA considering how old Darvo and his Father are as some examples ... the Grineer are cyborgs more so because their bodies are made from poor genetic moulds made with imprints ... example being if you were born with a chicken wing sized arm they'd give you a cybernetic replacement and so fourth. The Orokin would be closer to being Post Human since they are heavily genetically modified, can cheat death etc etc etc. 5) See 4 Radical. 6) The whole point to the Tenno being able to use Transference is because of the Zariman incident. If other Orokin were exposed to the same thing then they would essentially become Tenno as well and be able to use Transference. The tenno are immune to the infestation, only the children were resistant to what happened to the adults? I've provided lore entries from the Titania Quest that prove you don't have to be a Tenno to use transference so yeah???? 7) The majority of the Orokin are infact dead, they are not pretending or hiding. And depending on how you played TWW, the Elder Queen is also dead. Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. oh look I'm repeating myself. 8) See 1 - 7 Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. oh look I'm repeating myself. 9) Limbo's Operator was, and could only be, Tenno. Remember that cool story where Titania's operator wasn't a tenno? Good times hey. "Also, your timeline is completely off. Ballas and Margulas were still alive when the Zariman incident took place, which is the same time The Man in the Wall made his appearance." I said Limbo could have been a prototype not a production model, now here's the thing if there were entities in the void ... let's call them void demons ... And you go poking around in their dimension opening rift portals that allow you to access where they are and in turn allow them to access us? What happens? Possibly the Zeriman incident??? From that Knowledge they could have Created the void keys as a safer way for themselves to become energy when killed etc. Orokin have been the confirmed creators of the void keys, the void key converted Vor into energy and revived him after we killed him are you seeing what I'm getting at now? The Orokin 7 .. we don't know where they are, there is no mention of how many of these special void keys were created, no tenno have been converted from these void keys ... it could be a safer way to link to the void without the risks of transference ... for this let's just call Void keys - Transference 2.0 or Transference Energy ... considering you don't actually need to be alive if you die it will revive you as it did with Vor who was not Orokin!? Ayyy lmao "Why would he be mad at the Tenno if he was one of the Executioners that sentenced Margulis?" He's more proud of their laws and principals of how their society works, she wasn't acting like a typical Orokin and his hand was forced. If he did not do kill her as ordered he would have had the same fate await him besides ... what's not to say he didn't find a way to ... wait for it ... wait for it ... Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died. oh look I'm repeating myself. I wanted to keep that theory to myself that Ballas possibly initiated the continuity ritual for his lover in secret I mean come on if you had to kill the person you love and you knew you could bring them back it's not that bad killing them knowing you'll see them again it's still bad yeah but it's not like there isn't a way to fix things. "You really need to read up on your lore." "You really need to read up on your lore." "You really need to read up on your lore." EDGY
  9. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    All you have to do is provide your facts that prove me wrong that you say you have?
  10. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=citing http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sources http://lmgtfy.com/?q=warframe+wiki http://lmgtfy.com/?q=derailing+topic
  11. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    You lied and misquoted me, you put words in my mouth, you didn't provide any facts to discredit what I've put forward in my topic I can go on and on "I only read the first two lines but anyway; why so angry? :)" It's obvious you're just trying to derail the topic without providing any facts so if you turn the topic into a S#&amp;&#036;storm the mods will lock it down and you'll think you've got your way but that's not proving me wrong is it? That's just being rude and not making any effort when somebody asks you to provide facts when you tell them that they're wrong like I said I'm still waiting for your facts bro. "why so angry? :)" because it's super obvious what you're doing it's a well known thing on any forum it's called derailing a topic and if you're going to this much effort to derail it perhaps you could do something better like provide these mysterious facts you seem to be hiding that prove me wrong?
  12. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    I'll wait while you go find some official lore that confirms or denies my theory. It's easy you just do what I did you go to the warframe wiki or the in game codex or play the game and then you post facts it's not hard to do man I did it so now it's your turn you said I'm wrong and that you've got the facts so show me I'll wait right here.
  13. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    I just typed the biggest rant about how amusing it is that you didn't cite your sources like I have and that you're being a hypocrite and misquoting me but you know I really don't think you're worth the warning point. Come back when you've got some lore entries to link like I have that have matching similarities. Not once have I claimed to have the absolute facts if you look at the topic title it has the words "possible identity" in there. meaning uncertain. The things I know for certain are the lore entries from the game that anybody can find on the wiki and in the codex or by playing the game and that's what I've provided and pointed out how some of those things connect to others and what it seems to indicate to me. Stop flaming the topic ... input some useful information, don't misquote, don't lie, don't take my words out of context, do something useful. The first example of this is the Zarimon ... I asked where the Zarimon fits into a timeline alongside every warframe ever created ... and the person who was so sure that I was wrong can't provide that timeline of when Limbo was manufactured by the Orokin because that timeline doesn't exist in the lore yet. So for somebody to claim they have the facts that I'm wrong without providing any actual prove is nonsense, what I've done is speculate possibilities ... so if people want to come in here and tell me I'm wrong without any timelines to prove me wrong, any lore entries to prove me wrong etc I really don't care I'll assume my point is still valid until something OFFICIAL from the game is patched in and we can confirm it as cannon lore or a developer states otherwise. That's the difference between me and you and the other people claiming facts but not doing their homework and citing sources I actually did my homework, I actually cited my sources and pasted them into my topic what have you done other than put words in my mouth? Nothing at all.
  14. Man in the wall ... possible identity!

    And what are you?