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  1. christmas

    it's really disappointing to see the same stuff that didn't excite me last year with some feature creep added in. I get it. They couldn't just release it because then they couldn't go back and add this progression system to it after the fact. Though waiting all this time for a progression system really sucks.

    7 hours ago, (XB1)Kavriel said:

    Maybe you guys should find a new game.

    This is really an issue of Warframe finding new customers, which I'm sure they can do. It's not my responsibility to make myself excited for the game. It's just a progression system on top of railjack, some feature ripped out of shadows of mordor, and graphical upgrades.

  2. Please cut the audio line where Nora is talking about how 'even when you think you've seen it all there's always something more'. It just feels downright insulting during what is essentially a daily chore grind.

    Also these "hey get to x minutes/x waves" are going to be even worse with individual extraction.

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  3. Like it has been said before, I have no real impact on the game so you don't have to keep bringing up such pathetic examples to try to convince me the game is already full of fetish stuff or whatever you think you're doing. Also murder is kind of past menace, menace is the threat of violence, not the act. No one would say "he menacingly punched him in the face" or "he menacingly stabbing him in the leg". It's just not what the word means.

    edit: So in that way, no Kohra is not like a dominatrix. She's got a whip and that's about where the similarities end, but keep throwing up examples because you mistakenly think I can take away your butts or something.

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  4. 7 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:

    She kills her enemies with the whip.

    Dominatrixes don't murder people with their whips. This is like saying "well the atterax is a whip so the game already as BSDM stuff in it", it's just nonsense. She does nothing like wrap the whip around her hand, stomp her foot, pull enemies to their knees. She just has a whip and the frame is a little leathery, that's it.

  5. 19 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

    Your opinion is noted, but this is a Warframe, it is not fetish baiting, and the hilarious reaction of the developers to the reveal shows that they think it was accidentally over-sexualised too, and because of that (in my opinion at least) it's likely to get a look over again so that it's a little less in-your-face.

    But even if it isn't done, even if the animation is left exactly as this, the point is that you saw a wiggling butt and over-reacted to it. You were the one that decided that is was fetish fuel, that it was too sexualised. I mean, the frame literally has a hole scooped out where their spine is, but all you're focusing on is a wiggling butt.

    The devs were visibly embarrassed by it but even if it stays the same it's fine, lol whatever.

    edit: I honestly don't get your point here, it's like you're half bargaining with me and then half psychoanalyzing me. "Oh well they'll probably change it, I bet you didn't notice they reacted and will probably change it because you have so many personal issues but even if they don't change it you'll still have personal issues", like come on man.

    19 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

    This despite the fact that a frame like Khora was put in, with literal whip, cat, tying up her opponents and creating her own private dungeon zone as her literal abilities, not just her visuals, didn't result in that already.

    That you're gonna act like Khora is catering to people who like BSDM shows you really got no clue what you're talking about. She has a whip she doesn't do anything excessively dommy with it. None of her idols make her look that way, she doesn't do anything menacing with the whip she doesn't even stomp her heel and grind it into the floor. Even the grineer just lazily rag doll in Terrordome, there was a huge attempt to keep that as clean as possible.

  6. 8 minutes ago, (XB1)Knight Raime said:

    And that kind of falls into the discussion about societal stigma which unfortunately I don't have the stomach to debate about at this point in time.  All I can do is restate my specific response to you in brief.  Which was I understand and even share your desire for more wild designs rather than more humanoid designs.  There was/is a specific feel to the design asthetic that is Warframes.  And it can be tiring to see the same sort of "theme" being repeated.  In this case "dummy thicc."  I can agree that they could perhaps smooth out Wisps sprint so it's more of a fluid like motion of swaying back and forth rather than what it is atm which is more rigid.

    That's it basically. I think the run animation might need some work, but I do think it is just a little much and I'm honestly not sure where they'll go next.

    I guess I was rude to a few guys who just wanted to repeat "but I like dummy thicc warframes" and then hop on some fake sjw thing like I'm shaming them for their very valid male heterosexual urges. Their posts had all the value of 'what are you GAY?' and I responded to them in turn. Bringing up body positivity or kink shaming with regards to this is basically a zero good faith thing in my eyes.

  7. Just now, Sajochi said:

    They think this thread is salvageable and are trying to ignore that fact they did nothing but slander and shame others in the end. Basically, we should leave them to their echo chamber. It's pretty obvious that this thread is through. I give it a few more hours to a day to either be ignored or locked. 

    Yes the horror of being shamed for liking women's butts. Please continue your good faith argument, guy who really is worried that people might be ashamed for who they are.

  8. 2 minutes ago, markus230 said:

    What the hell are you even talking about?

    Cubic Clem called Wisp slutty and Knight Raime brought up some body positivity response. I think it's a sort of ridiculous narrative to bring that kind of stuff up in this discussion. It reminds me of the "I love my curvy wife" instagram guy. Who used body positivity as an excuse to just be #*!%ing weird (not that Raime was being weird at all, I agree it's pointless to call these designs slutty).

  9. 48 minutes ago, (XB1)Knight Raime said:

    No I was referring to the OP.  Could of swore OP said something along the lines of "only homosexuals like male booty."

    Here was the portion I was talking about on page two from OP  "Also the only people attracted to men are homosexuals, lol."

    I was referring to a guy who said this in jest.

    3 hours ago, markus230 said:

    What else do you expect? Homosexuals are a tiny demography, also you are acting as if homosexual men like feminine traits in other men, some of them do, sure, but not all. And most homosexual women likely don't mind big butts on female frames. So the amount of people who would appreciate male frames jiggling their butt and stuff like that is even smaller.

    That being said I don't really mind catering to that tiny demography, I mean Nezha deluxe should count for that right? And a few more freaky looking female frames wouldn't hurt.

     

    Though it is kind of silly to try to bring up body shaming in regards to things that ... aren't your body. It was ridiculous enough for the guy acting indignant about me shaming him for his vanilla heterosexual urges. I don't think it's great to call these designs slutty, but designs like this are probably more objectifying than they are celebratory in the long run. Like I swear I've read 3 or 4 variations on the curvy wife instagram post here.

  10. 6 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

    then the issue lies with you. End of story.

    One day maybe we all can evolve to the purely platonic appreciation of a big butt, big thighs, and the wiggling thereof, like you have. Maybe one day I'll understand the guy who kept talking endlessly about how he loves staring at asses in video games wasn't referencing anything sexual but instead a higher aesthetic appreciation of the ass as a geometric body.

    Maybe one day I'll realize that what's really sexualized about Warframe isn't Wisp at all, but instead Rhino or Limbo's Agile Idle. Like you very not full of crap good faith contributors have suggested.

  11. 9 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    Because I said I like butts?

    If that's enough for you to have a problem with me, don't ever go outside. The world is full of people who like butts, I'm worried about the impact that will have on you.

    You just repeated it endlessly like it had some special value or meaning. Your endorsement of liking a certain body part was somehow treated as the last word, when it's not even relevant. My problem is you being annoying, pedantic, and writing "I like butts" over and over and over.

    7 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

    i'm more commenting how you come across as narrow minded and think "if it's a sexy woman, then therefore it is wrong."

    Except this isn't about confidence or something. It's about a character that has a big waggling butt and thick thighs. So my natural response was to be sarcastic. Trying to make it out to be some issue of body positivity much like bringing up lesbians feels entirely disingenuous. It's about what you guys find arousing, that's it.

  12. 1 minute ago, DeMonkey said:

    anyone who disagrees into a bad person.

    My only problem is you and the guy who keeps talking about how women are genetically less inclined to play video games. That's it. I got no problem with anyone else in the thread.

    1 minute ago, Sajochi said:

    Keep up that attitude. It helps your argument a lot.

    Oh come on, how do you want me to respond to bullS#&$? How does Wisp having big thick thighs and a big round ass that she sways back and forth speak to "confidence"?

  13. Just now, Sajochi said:

    Sexiness isn't just fap material either. A lot of people dress and move in sexy ways because they're confident with themselves and their bodies

    ah yes wisp is very confident and empowered *nods sagely*

    3 minutes ago, markus230 said:

    Women, in general, don't find gaming to be fun. And among women that play video games, even smaller part enjoys shooters. That's just the way things are.

    This argument just sucks. Every game doesn't have to be horny, regardless of demographics.

  14. 4 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    That you're making such a claim, despite it being blatantly false, proves my point.

    Honestly, I consider you a pretty horrible person right now. Disingenous, slanderous, petty. 

    Grow up, not just in this respect but the thread's premise in general, butts are part of nature, it's perfectly acceptable to enjoy butts no matter what you may think, and calling people sexist for it is... abhorrent. 

    Oh no it's the real persecution, persecution of a guy who endlessly talks about how much he loves staring at women's butts and why that makes for a good design people shouldn't criticize. Man I'm sorry but your creepshot yoga pants warframes are not natural or healthy sex, you wanting to stare at women's butts all the time and feeling real comfortable writing multiple posts about how much you love butts and love staring at them is not healthy sex.

  15. 13 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    Excuse me?

    Who do you think you are to make such a slanderous claim. I've been nothing but honest, to the point of being blunt even, and you have the gall to state such a thing about me? Absolutely pathetic that you'd stoop to this, and frankly any respect I had for your "argument" has gone completely out the window.

    Your "argument" is nonsense as it's based on a fallacy, your apparent stance that I can't enjoy a nice butt because it makes me a sexist is appalling and this entire thread is hot garbage.

    You're just annoying and tiring. That this entire page has devolved to you and three other guys talking about horny you are for butts proves my point. Everything doesn't need to be JO material guys. You deserve zero respect or consideration for being pedantic about the word 'argument' and writing over and over 'but I like butts'. Sorry I didn't assume higher moral character out of the guy who kept talking about butts like he was describing the passion of christ or the seven virtues of water.

    7 minutes ago, markus230 said:

    YES. That's reflective of the game's demographic.

    This is nonsensical though. You say the content is influenced by the demographic, but what if the demographic is influenced by the content? Also that's completely secondary to what is good design. Just because something has a male audience doesn't mean it has to have cheesecake, it certainly doesn't mean it needs cheesecake this regularly either.

    edit: also to be completely clear Nidus and Rhino are completely idiotic examples of male sexualization in this game.

  16. 6 minutes ago, (PS4)LoisGordils said:

    I agree too. It's not the butt, it's how purposely sexualized her animations are. Now, I'd get it if this was Khora (given her dominatrix theme), but Wisp...? Paranormal Asstivity

    I mean I think special care was taken to make sure Khora wasn't too *weird*. Things only rag doll in Terrordome they don't like have animations of them grasping at their necks no special aphysixation sound effects were added. She can't do any sort of dommy stuff either. Which is something I'd agree with. I'd have the same problem if Kohora was chaining grineer and stepping on their heads with a stiletto heel or whatever.

    5 minutes ago, Ceramor said:

    is Valkyr not a cool female frame? what about garuda? what about titania who has a goddamn archwing strapped to her ass? is sexy and cool mutualy exclusive?

    Sure but there's an obvious disconnect. The only reason I got on the issue of different gendered warframes is because people started bringing up Nidus and Rhino.

  17. 8 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    I like butts.

    Oddly you've singled out the "artistic vision" behind Wisp here perfectly. 

    7 minutes ago, Ceramor said:

    all i have to say is Hyldren is female so theres that and she doesnt exactly fit the model body shape, so saying they are only catering to the Straight male fantasy is eh, they are just making frames the way they want. if you dont like a frame due to it having a nice ass theres plenty of other frames in the game

    Like first of all that is something straight men are attracted to and second of all it's like the first female frame to break the mold in a long time and after that we're back to an ass frame that is maybe the most assy of all ass frames. I mean look at this thread even, the examples of 'sexual male warframes' are things like Nidus and Rhino. They're making the frames these people like. Which is scary or cool male frames and sexy eye candy women frames. Though like DeMonkey says it's fine because what else is a woman for?

  18. 16 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    Again, it's not an argument.

    What do you want me to say, it's just your God given right to look at asses? Stop being so pedantic. Your reason that Wisp is fine is because you like staring at butts, that's your argument in favor of Wisp. Wisp's core design and animation are based around her ass and thighs, full stop. That's fetishy to me. Whether I like asses is secondary to my point that the design and animations are too centered on the ass. You have no objectivity because they could make a warframe with 6 asses and you'd just be six times as happy. You'd say something like "well if I'm going to stare at an ass all day it might as well be six asses". It's like talking to a dog about how it likes it's meat cooked. Of course it doesn't have an opinion.

    15 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

    You can disagree, and you can voice your disagreement.

    Thanks, that's actually what I'm doing right now if you didn't notice.

    15 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

    That way your purity and morals can stay intact.

    In the end this is the kind of response I expected. In the absence of actual reflecting on the fact that almost every female frame is sexy and almost every male frame is scary, what else can you do but accuse me of being some evil puritan come to steal your boner?

    Like you said it's not my call, so why does everyone need to sit here with weakass arguments like pointing to Nidus' codpiece? Is it because your love your ass is at conflict with the fact that the jist of what I'm saying is right?

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  19. 16 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    Because she has a nice arse?

    and big hips, and she slowly sways back and forth and while idle then when she moves she continues to sway her ass back and forth hypnotically. Yes because of all those things it is too much. It's not just the modeling but the animation as well. It's too ass focused, she is the ass warframe and I don't think ass is a particularly interesting or great quality to design a frame around, sorry.

    16 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    Plus, there's a huge leap between "big booty" and "foot/vore fetish frame". Don't overreact.

    You're the guy whose argument is literally "I like looking at it so it's ok". In that moral vacuum this is what you'll find.

    12 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

    Maybe the artists want Wisp to be sexy because it's their vision.

    Oh okay, it's their vision that the frame is super sexy and shakes her ass in your face in a sexy way and has big thick thighs.Then I disagree with that horny vision, sorry.

    11 minutes ago, Gurpgork said:

    That wasn’t really what I was going for. What I want is for female Warframes to look monstrous and/or otherworldly the same way that male Warframes do. Like, Nidus is a hulking, grotesque monster. Limbo and Revenant are bizarre and otherworldly. Nekros Deluxe has a freaking hole in his chest. I want more of the weirdness. 

    Oh sorry I really misunderstood you. Though you might have read in the thread, Nidus has a codpiece so he's essentially the same thing as wisp, lol. Though yeah I agree with you totally. Why isn't wisp an old lady? Why isn't Hildryn made out of rocks? Like just go nuts guys. I'd love to see more designs that are bizarre and strange, it's not right that they seem entirely restricted to male frames. Nor is it good that sexiness is entirely restricted to female frames. Ivara is maybe the only thing I can think of and she still has a token big ass.

    also it's worth noting the only sexy male frame we have is Nezha Deluxe and Nezha Deluxe was only made so Masc because normal Nezha is very svelte. Even then we already have Hildryn is who more masc and female. So even the most masc warframe is again being made for straight guys.

  20. 2 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    It's not an argument. You seem to think I need to justify it.

    I like looking at it, I shall look at it, I'm 100% okay with looking at more of it if DE want to add it. I have absolutely no shame in this regard.

    I was just giving you a historical view of where the thing you were parroting came from and said it was never a good argument. I realize you weren't using it as an argument, in sense you're like Caesar but you didn't conquer and saw first.

    See this is precisely my problem. If 'anything goes' then why not a feet warframe? Why not make it's abilities about crushing enemies with its feet and thighs and whatever? Like do you not see a problem with that? What about a vore frame? Is there any potential problem with that, no? Oh ok. I don't want any of that, I think it's kind of inappropriate. Anything doesn't go. I personally think wisp is the beginning of what is too much.

    3 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

    What's wrong with sexy? Are things not allowed to be sexy anymore? What if I want to imagine I'm Wisp and want to be sexy?

    Seriously, this debate can get a lot weirder if you want it to, but in the end it's kind of ridiculous. 

    Maybe there's a limit to how sexual things need to be especially when that sexuality always seems to be focused on one particular audience? Also please don't bring up lesbians as some kind of shie ....

    Just now, markus230 said:

    What else do you expect? Homosexuals are a tiny demography, also you are acting as if homosexual men like feminine traits in other men, some of them do, sure, but not all. And most homosexual women likely don't mind big butts on female frames. So the amount of people who would appreciate male frames jiggling their butt and stuff like that is even smaller.

    From each according to his market share, to each according to his horniness. Also the only people attracted to men are homosexuals, lol.

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  21. 25 minutes ago, Aldrr said:
    Gonna put this in here as response to an earlier post:

     

    Well that's too bad. Hope we get custom stuff for Titania eventually.

    17 minutes ago, Swagernator22663 said:

    Save the children! Preserve them from the ass!

    Make this into some moral panic if you want but the real question here is whether I'm embarrassed to have something on my screen or not. It reminds me a lot of VTM:BL which while being a great game was just embarrassing to be seen playing. You would minimize it because the game looked like porn, it's not surprising that it's 'style' is almost exclusively seen in Poser porn games now. In the same way I'd be embarrassed to have a warframe who is constantly wiggling her toes I will be embarrassed to have one that is constantly wiggling her ass. 

    9 minutes ago, markus230 said:

    Nezha Deluxe has exposed butt, Rhino, Nidus, and Volt have huge "code-pieces", Limbo agile stance is literally waving his crotch around

    Oh come on Nezha Deluxe is maybe the only example. No other male warframes exude even a tenth of the sexuality female warframes do. Nidus, Volt, and Rhino are simply design elements and don't at least in my mind call much about male virility to mind. Limbo walks a little weird. Even then this handful of examples is against the majority of sexualized female frames.

    9 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

    My only response to this is an old TPS adage that I've taken to heart.

    "If I'm going to stare at an arse all day, it might as well be a woman's."

    And on that note, why not have it be a great one? I'm entirely down for better booty. I'll be a stereotypical male gamer until I die.

    That was the old MMO way of manly men deflecting from the fact that they picked a cute little elf girl. Never was that great of an argument.

     

    7 minutes ago, Gurpgork said:

    I'm kinda with you on this. I largely appreciate Warframe for being generally gender expansive, but then they still bring out these designs that are super hetero, male gaze kinds of designs. One minute, I'm absolutely ecstatic, and the next, I'm announcing with a heavy heart that the straights are at it again. I wish that they would make more female Warframes that were just bizarre and freaky looking.  

    Like, c'mon. It's 2019. The Shape of Water won multiple Oscars. Grotesque monsters are sexy now. 

    I don't want monster girl frames either, no lamia GF no spider girl GF, none of that. I just want to see less fetish baiting. If someone really thinks Wisp's design wasn't to get people to go "WOW THAT FRAME IS THICC LOL" then hey fine whatever, but it sure felt that way to me. I think it was even more hammered in by the run animation. Though that's just my opinion and maybe I'm some evil puritan fighting against boner culture, whatever. I just really wanted to make a post before I end up seeing a 'toesies' or vore frame.

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