The Orokin Live - Orokin Moon Sightings and Lore in General Discussion Posted April 15, 2016 · Edited April 15, 2016 by themarksman10109 13 minutes ago, Blakrana said: Whilst it's a conceptual statement, I must admit I find myself just wondering what actual weight the word 'humanity' even has in setting. The Orokin Executors certainly aren't demonstrated as yet to have much concern or regard for humans or non-humas alike (such as Avantus literally condemning everyone besides her and Bilsa in the Eviscerator entry to the Infested). Yet they're aware of it enough to use it as a 'Not human, not worthy of respect/fair treatment' when it pleases them (IE the disdain for the Grineer, Lorists and Tenno respectively). Could play interestingly into some elaboration on New Loka, being the most Neo-Orokin of the Syndicates. Though that's certainly a different topic. Bonus points that the Humanity Sigil has seven spokes...which matches up curiously with the Seven Executors and Seven Principles. Coincidence, or Arc Number? Guess time might tell... Though I would like to reiterate one of my earlier thoughts that, if true that's how Orokin elites functioned, it puts some interesting significance on Margulis' sentence being Apostasy: If she ended up inventing Transference or the basis there of, for the Tenno just to potentially be part of society, it edges into the Orokin elites' power...which is seemingly both political and religious. Problem with that is the fact that he was entirely complicit in her execution: "Seven hands raised!" after all, with him being one of the seven Executors and, so far, one of the three explicitly named so far. (Avantus as mentioned above and Tuvul from the Crewman Synthesis entry) Trying to pin Margulis' fate on them, when they seem to have been practically dumped in stasis pods and left on Lua till that fateful encounter in the Rhino Prime Codex, would be just...petty blame shifting and denying his own responsibility in events. Granted. This probably would be fitting of the Orokin but so far, from what we've had of his actions in the Crewman Entry, I get the distinct feeling that Ballas is playing a very long game. Both the Sentient and the Tenno have had his involvement in their genesis, in a way. Hell. I'm still unsure why the Orokin didn't just dispose of the Tenno once they'd executed Margulis. I mean, what stopped them? Stopped "What they need to be is destroyed!" Ballas? It's possible. After all, we just need to look at the Eviscerator Synthesis to see an Executor casually discussing her intentions of re-establishing the Congress of Executors, implying that it's after the Terminus incident (though how much of that is how Stalker recounts it remains to be seen). So either some slipped the net the Tenno made, or they were forced to their real bodies or something, if they are using a technology like Transference. Which leads to some interesting points, namely that the critical strike against the Orokin elite wasn't perfect. Avantus' survival alone (however short it was) shows that whatever the blow was, it was significant but not a true coup-de-grace as we may have thought before. Which leads to why the Tenno were still active for a time after the fall (Corrupted Ancient Synthesis with the term Betrayer already in use by Dax Menz yet an implied Excalibur saves them), not only as part of the efforts to contain and neutralise the rampant Infestation during the Great Plague (Mire) but perhaps to try and hunt down/confirm the deaths of the Executors and possibly related officials. One way or another...should the Orokin return it's not going to be pretty. Void Towers, Solar Rails...there's a lot of ways just one would be able to cripple the entire system. First of all let me just say....this reply.....PURE GENIUS!!! I totally agree with you on every point you made. However, I do want to clarify my statement about the Tenno "taking away" Margulis from Ballas. Even though Ballas was almost unemotional after the announcement of Margulis' death sentence, I still believe that he feels that the Tenno are responsible. Like you said, his petty blame on the Tenno would be something an Orokin would do, and that was the approach I was going for.