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On 2/4/2018 at 6:43 AM, Atekron said:
Why? Why so many people call himself "... main"?I do understand why such concept exist in certain games like MOBAs or Hero shooters - to master some character/champion player need to put a lot of time to a point that this champion became only one he's playing, and those games generally have one game mod, maybe with different maps. None of this is applying to Warframe, if you have mastered something in a game this generally is crossframe skill, game has many different missions that required to use different frames, you should choose right tool for a given mission, yes you can eat soup with a fork, but... I I understand that players have their favorite frame, but sentence: "I'm .... main" make me cringe.
Because in most scenarios any frame can trivialize any starchart and sortie content
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1 minute ago, rune_me said:
Twitter and Facebook don't have a problem with loosing more users than they always have. They have a problem with not getting any new users. This has nothing to with censorship. It's just a new generation of teenagers who thinks Facebook and Twitter is lame because its what their parents are using.
then you dont know about Twitter's changes in relation to their market drop, and investors pulling out. It's ok... we understand
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Just now, rune_me said:
There are no consequences for banning people from your servers or platform.
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25 minutes ago, rune_me said:
It's really not suicide. There are very very few cases where large boycotts from an outraged public has had any lasting or even noticable effect. When Netflix or Adult swim reacts, the effects are felt immedietly, because they have tons of money and everyone wants to be on friendly terms with them. When consumers scream boycott, it doesn't really bother Netflix or whatever company in question. Because they know that no one is actually gonna boycott them. It's just hipsters on social media: as soon as they find out that what they signed up to required more of them than hitting a like button on Facebook, they go right back to watching Netflix or Adult Swim or whatever.
Nobody's gonna stop playing Warframe because a few users got banned from region chat for saying something they shouldn't have.
you missed the point, the point of the example is to express that the party that expels the person from the platform is not immune to consequence either.
20 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:I'd like to think you understand full well what I mean. Arguing semantics is pointless.
Your example in bold is invalid within the context of the game. You are confusing the public sector with the private. A more apropos example would be, you are at a person's house and someone there make constant racial remarks to someone else. The homeowner may either choose to have the person making the inappropriate comments removed, or allow them to stay. However, no legal action can be taken against the homeowner.
I just object to the legal argument you are proposing without any precedent to back it up. If there is no legal precedent that exists, then I'm not going to accept the validity of any argument that leverages laws and regulations. While they may seem vague to us, there is a reason there are courts in existence: to exercise the law in as just a way as possible.
You are completely false because the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms overwrites private sector rights. Period. If someone breaks the charter regardless of whether you are in the private sector or not you will be persecuted. That means if Digital Extremes red-texts hate speech or has racial bias within the company they will get sent to federal court because it is contain within the charter and its clauses. That was the argument made in the original post. C-16 is apart of the charter so DE preventing someone from using their gender pronoun can be vaguely considered a crime "technically".
The private sector has nothing to do with homeowners, those are property rights and are included in the charter. I am discussing companies not residencies.
DE is allowed to ban people for saying certain words, they are not allowed to prevent someone from expressing their pronouns as of c-16
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24 minutes ago, rune_me said:
So this seems relevant:
Yes, however consequence is applied on both sectors.
Sam Hyde's show gets canceled on adult swim despite it's positive reception amongst viewers and Adult Swim's reputation to host unorthodox content. If that gets broken then consumers have the right to be upset ands stop subscribing to the service. If adult swim removes MDE because they dont agree with it, sure they are allowed. But that ruins the reputation of the station and what it's known for, thus via a business perspective it's suicide.
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5 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:
then we must respect one another.
No DE cannot force me to respect you, you have to earn my respect. And that includes everything else. DE just dictates what I can and cannot say on their platform
7 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:I don't think you are quite understanding my point. Anyone can browse the internet and read up on a country's laws. One can even then come to an internet forum and make an argument using these laws. That argument, however, is not at all valid, and is purely speculation to provide an "argument" for or against a particular topic. That is why, if you wish to make a legal argument, you need to provide some sort of legal precedent. Is what you've argued true? Maybe. Or maybe it's entirely wrong. Perhaps it's as simple as "DE's house. DE's rules." which stands entirely apart from any sort of Parliamentary laws or regulations.
The underlying issue is a player's sense of entitlement; viz. that they have the right to say whatever they want, whenever they want, without any consequence. That could not be farther from the truth. The notion that Warframe chat is some sort of open, public space is entirely false. DE has created a space where a specific subset of the public come together to enjoy a game with one another. Thus, this is DE's private space. They can monitor and police it any way they choose to. People are under the false illusion that this is some sort of democracy, when the reality is, it is (and should be) an oligarchy. We, as players, are guests of DE. If DE tells us that we must respect one another, then we must respect one another. If someone with authority sees that we are not being respectful (regardless of whether we think we are or not), then they have the absolute right to take action (be it a temporary suspension or a permanent ban). The fact that someone with authority has created a bot which identifies certain trigger words is also well within DE's right of setting the rules of its private domain.
If players cannot be mature, civil and respectful of others, then DE unequivocally has the right to force them to do so. As I've said before, and will reiterate once again, this is not the venue to discuss one's religion, politics, sexual orientation or any other divisive topic. This is a venue to talk about something that has brought us, as players, all together: Warframe. If you wish to discuss things of a divisive nature, there are plenty of venues for it. Leave it out of this game.
Then we are in agreement, or you didnt read the post. I clearly stated that DE, like any private organization has the right to kick players for whatever reason is true. However, the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and freedoms overwrites this. If for example there is an employer who says constant racial remarks to someone (regardless of skin color) the concept of being able to say whatever you want in the private venue gets overwritten and it is considered against the charter and you can get fined for it.
Bill C-16 is attached to the charter of rights and freedoms, so if DE even as a private organization does something that is against the charter they can get fined and sent to court.
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Just now, GinKenshin said:
It’s sad that people like you need to make posts like these to make ppl understand what’s wrong about saying this trash...
awesome work though!
thank you very much,
however please consider that while you may think the words in question are trash, that does not mean people arent allowed to say it in a free society. I firmly believe that if we constantly strive to find the truth then we need to offend eachother. However in the context of warframe, its completely allowed so if you enjoy that then there's another reason why you may like warframe now.
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6 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:
Your premise around Bill C-16 and the potential consequences.
Well when you are persecuted for breaking the code. You will be seen by the Canadian Human rights Tribunal, you can get fined. And what if you refuse to pay the fine because you firmly believe your freedom of speech is being affected?
Secondly I wouldn't consider it a vacuum considering the vagueness of of the law in question and above that it's connection to hate speech law. Hate speech being a clause within the charter of human rights and freedoms it's nothing special only the most powerful law in Parliament nothing special tbh.
I don't. Understand this legal precedent. Is this precedent the reliance of postmodern neo Marxist ideology to into law or the precedence of consequences on a case by case basis or the context of the case itself.
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7 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:
That awkward moment when people think laws are applied in a vacuum devoid of any sort of legal precedent.
Sorry what is this comment in reference to?
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As some of you forum frequenters know, there has been a surge of posts on warframe forums concerning their chat bans by saying blacklisted words. These words and terms are considered derogatory speech to Digital Extremes or to a smaller extent the coders behind the chat bot.
How does it work?
The bot has a list of words, if you say those words in region chat. The bot will automatically ban you from using any chat services. Bans usually last for a week or more
What do i do?
You can either contact support, or wait out the ban. If you sincerly believe that you were unjustifibly banned you can contact support but more often than not your ban will be lifted before support will be a able to read up your case.
The Legality
There has of course been conversation about the legality of the manner and the morality and integrity behind the mechanism of free speech. Warframe has many American players and by proxy have very strong feeling towards their amendments concerning freedom of speech. However keep in mind that America Freedom Of Speech is different to Canadian Leglislated Speech. because yes as of now Canada cannot be considered a country that has freedom of expression and speech by the definition of free speech.
What is common between these two countries is private organizations, for example Donald Trump kicks out a heckler from his rally. He is cimpletely within his freedom to do so, because he himself and his organization has rented the space legally. And thus has the power to kick that individual out for any reason without any legal reprecussions.
This is also true for canada, DE's servers are a private institution. If you do something that DE does not like they are completely within their right to kick you out.
The difference in these two cases is that Trump does not care, because he knows his supporters wont compromise his event and the people who do have already decided who they are voting for. For DE on the other hand as a company, runs the risk of deterring some customers, or reducing the activity of their regional chat. So while legally DE has the right to Kick you for no reason they wont because it can ruin their influx of players, and it is within their best interest to be on the good side of gamers.
Publically however, in America you are allowed to say anything, in canada you cannot. Is Canada similar to the USSR? no. But the laws in place set a precedence for that, if you are curious about legislation leading to tyranny I suggest you have a crack at "The Gulag Archipeleago".
"Nezha is a trap"
Most bans usually stem from this phrase. And i want to discuss from my reading how this can and this cannot be legal. Within the context of DE servers or outside.
Let's start with DE and their servers, if they do not like the word trap, they can ban someone for saying it. They are within their right to do so as a private institution. If you say that phrase outside of DE in a public space, you are completely allowed to do so as it is not considered hate speech. And example of hate speech in Canada, was the famous "Burn the Qu'Ran day" that was done in america, while this is allowed in america, this is considered hate speech in Canada and thus you can be prosecuted for it.
However the issue gets more complicated. In Canada, we recently passed a law call "Bill C-16" this is an extension to the Canadian Human rights code and hate speech laws. In sum what it legislates is compelled speech (charming i know) for gender pronouns. This means that it can be considered a hate crime to refuse to call someone by their preferred gender pronoun.
You see where im going with this?
So let's say someone identifies themselves as a trap. Thus to avoid hate speech persecution you need to call him "Trap" and that is not allowed, it is by proxy hate speech. Because you are refusing the ability to call someone by their preferred gender pronoun. Is it complicated? Yes... Because the Bill is so vague DE can technically be persecuted for a hate crime, because it completely depends on the perception of the "victim" and the authorities. Similar to what is happening in the UK more specifically Scotland.
Many topic also entail responses such as this: (this is the most recent one I found)
(Mfw)
Now before we raise our hammers and sickles. This is a "social obligation" you are not obliged to follow these guidelines when talking with your clannies, friends or even in public. If there are people who believe in this and you disagree, its best to walk away from those people unless they provide something so beneficial to you that no one else can. The point of jokes is to say unconvential stuff, like any artform the point of art is to break boundries. So not only do i find this opinion very disheartening I disagree with it completely. You say whatever jokes you want, you do not need to follow the red hand book on what things are right and what should be said. You can say whatever jokes you want, and the government shouldn't prevent you from doing so, however freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence and as long as you accept the social consequences then go wild. Which is not that much because who wants to be friend with those who can't take a joke.
In conclusion I hope you guys were able to understand the issues with not only chat moderation for us but for DE as a company. And above this I do support the importance of a banned words list which is completely allowed in both america and canada in private institutions. If it hasant been clear in this post, I completely condone most of DE's actions in this matter from a social stand point but not from a legal as they are in their right to do so. I am not for this legislation and I am completely against legislating speech unless you own or rented the venue and are a private organization.
While DE is able to to ban people for the reason above (sort of) that does not mean you can be vocal as consumers. Keep that in mind as well
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3 minutes ago, (Xbox One)xJdKxZomBiE said:
And do what with his 10k plat exactly? What method of converting premium currency back to real money is there?
simple, buying more dank rivens
some visicans for example
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1 minute ago, (Xbox One)xJdKxZomBiE said:
No, it's called a "I can charge stupid &#! prices for digital items" market.. Now wonder he said nobody has bought his mod yet.
And thats why some people will earn 10k+ plat from trades and you will have none
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34 minutes ago, .Re-light. said:
Congratz.. I know it's rare and what it does for Sancti Tigris, still that's like all my plat.
Understandable we can work something out if anything
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Liking this mod but am not hesitant to sell it
The price is 10k (negotiable of course)
Only thing i am willing to trade for it is the fabled Kohm Riven (Damage + Ms + SC with good negative)
If you are interested in the mod let me know
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7 hours ago, .Re-light. said:
I wouldn't be hesitant to sell it for anywhere close to 10k, jesus!
It's been sold for around there
Nomoreraining had a similar roll, above 60% which was sold near that price range, if I am not mistaken
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1 minute ago, Pent_ said:
It's unfortunate that the art team is vastly more talented than the game design team.
Pent I have been following you lately, you are a @(*()$ mad man. Keep it up
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Liking this mod but am not hesitant to sell it
The price is 10k (negotiable of course)
Only thing i am willing to trade for it is the fabled Kohm Riven (Damage + Ms + SC with good negative)
If you are interested in the mod let me know
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In what world to people use icestorm
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17 hours ago, Pent_ said:
Just going to point out that the stupid rep points we get on these forums mean nothing. They don't add to credibility, and more often than not people upvote things they want to agree with more than what's actually true.
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On 1/24/2018 at 9:37 PM, ZER0.LIMITZ said:
Any of you soma prime worshippers
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40 second reload time
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ill be honest, its not your fault but warframe isn't really that interesting to talk about especially in a podcast-ish format.
I saw my self just skimming through it because like most content creators in the game it's pretty difficult to even think up of unique things to talk about when the topic is only warframe. Warframe is a great game to play and chat with friends about literally anything else or watch a video/listen to music etc...
The only interesting think to talk about when it comes to warframe is it's development. Thats why people like Brozime are extremely popular on YT and reddit. Because he instantly critiques changes or plans that the staff are doing. And while the format is not original, its the act of being critical and the fact that he clearly is well versed that makes his particular content easier to listen to.
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> it out perfroms soma
> No hunter munitions
WF builder DPS calculations
[Tigris Hexacan] Super Rare, For your future buffed Tigrises
in Trading Post
Posted · Edited by Eureka.seveN
Liking this mod but am not hesitant to sell it
https://imgur.com/a/YLjb3
The price is 15k (negotiable of course)
This Riven can achieve, 100% sancti (if buff change passes) and prime, without 4th dual stat. If buff change does not pass you can get 4x dual stat on sancti plus riven for 100%
Only thing i am willing to trade for it is the fabled Kohm Riven (Damage + Ms + SC with good negative)
If you are interested in the mod let me know