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As I stated, it's not as if the developers never get ideas from the forums. I realize there are people who think what they posted on the forums lead to changes. IME, that's a great PR move, because the root cause for the changes probably came from other things, like watching revenue and direct feedback over why people leave the game, etc. Just because the forums yelled and a thing got changed, does not mean the reason for the change was forums posters yelling, as much as they like to think that and as much as the developer, working their PR magic, will say such. Of course it will act as a data point, but to attribute causation is an assumption, IME. The forums do not need any complex tools for liking/disliking posts, because in the end, it's all just hot air and wasted electricity. Just my opinion based on the facts I have at hand. I realize it is not the 'commonly held POV'. I'll live.

I say 'several' so as not to paint with too wide a brush. To say All or Most is not accurate IME. Not everyone that posts on gamer forums is trying to change the world, just a subset.

Personally, I have watched the 'evolution' of gaming forum interactions since about 1998 and on BBS's previous to that. If, in fact, 'the forums are going in the wrong direction', from my POV, they have been moving in the same direction since 1998. Nothing posted on a video game forum has any real meaning, it's no different than a bunch of people in a bar, in Times Square, or at a sporting event, arguing over minutiae that they cannot control. Gaming forum managers accept this simple fact and the evolution of the forum tools are based on that, IMO. Why have a complex system of social interactions for the gamers playing your game outside of the game that means nothing? Why waste resources on arguments that have no real bearing on the game or it's direction? For example, Hello Games (No Man's Sky) was really smart here - they just claimed the Reddit forum for their game was 'good enough'. Now, I know DE and other gaming houses have convinced several player that they do have some outsized role in the creation and evolution of the games themselves, it's great PR, but it's smoke and mirrors. Why do I think this? I have been in direct contact with some of these game makers due to my professional proximity and we have had these conversations. Do (game) developers, like any human, get inspiration form various areas, including game forums? Of course. But that is a far cry from thinking these gaming forum posts have real value for the most part. Why do you think when someone complains to someone like Rebecca, she will respond with "congrats, you beat WF" and then move on? Now, extroverts often think that 'community' and the interaction with other players is 'all that matters' and I agree that is an important part of a game where you can play with others. However, that does not give the game forums have any value beyond possibly being a place for people to find like minded people with whom to play the game. Nothing more. To conclude, in general, I think the issue is simply that several gamers are so full of their own steam that they really, truly think they can 'change the game' or 'change the gamers' though these types of forums and they desire the tools they think they need to make 'reputations' for themselves to be seen as 'influencers' to get a thrill and validation from 'upvotes', when, in the end, it means nothing except to stroke the egos of a few people that desire ego-stroking. It's all hot air and wasted electricity - but it's really fun to watch minds evolve and learn to debate, so I hang out and poke fun at holes in peoples arguments.

Gender is irrelevant to the conversation. Reactive Aggression is generally testosterone based, regardless of gender, which is exactly what I am talking about here - Sophomoric Reactive Aggression, trying to 'peacock' oneself into something larger in some effort to intimidate and shame those who don't 'work hard enough' in a video game. The attempted jibes about how I might play the game are hilarious. I play solo, exclusively, when I do play, and I have never been foolish enough to wrap up any of my personal emotions in the outcome of a mission in a video game, so none of this is remotely accurate, it's all in your head, OP. The crux of the reason for your prose - you are so intent on 'what other people say about you' in a gaming forum that you think you have to lash out with these playground level attacks about who can 'play (your way) better' in a video game and who can 'stay on your page' as if you own these pixels. See? OP is just bent because there are 'people talking about her' like it means something. Your emotional maturity is low enough that you chose to take disagreement and discussion as personal attacks on your character. It's as hilarious as it is sad. If you are going to thrive in this world, you are going to need to, in your words, 'get over yourself'. Good Luck and Happy Gaming, OP.

Wow. Triggered much? I called out your sophomoric-internet-tough-guy routine, because it sounded like a child on a playground, I guess you didn't like that. Oh well. Nothing to do with adults enjoying things. There is no hard work, it's a game, BTW. Happy Gaming!

*whoosh* This is some sophomoric, elementary school-level stuff right here. Funny, yet very sad.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Are you going to take 'em out and measure over video chat too? Testosterone is a a heck of drug! Always entertaining, these forums.

Meanwhile, I say Kudos! to DE for continuing to teach the underinformed on exactly how a Free Market actually functions in a game settings with no real consequences. Life lessons in a virtual reality, priceless. I have watched players beg DE to come in and play Mommy or Daddy and make all the 'bad plat sellers' adhere to some arbitrary standard for years. It remains one of the hilarious re-runs on these forums. Those players filled with impatient FOMO combined with an entitled outlook on having some 'inalienable right' to acquire anything in the game on demand, from plat to 'god' rivens, provide me so much entertainment, I sometimes feel like I should mail them plat myself! Tilt on Don, tilt on!

This level of discourse is virtually effortless and if you consider that post 'very long', I weep even more for the future of our species. Tootles.

Where did I say anything resembling you naming anyone? That's all in your head. What I did do was call you out on your silly BS to label anyone that does not agree with your outlook a 'bootlicker', because that it is literally grade-school-playground level discourse, on a game that is supposedly for adults. The only conclusion I made was to take your negative and tiny minded outlook and apply the tag of Eeyore, as I think it is an appropriate conclusion. So, where you seem pretty good at grousing, I seem pretty good at recognizing your childish insults. Good Luck and Happy Gaming.

Here you go then! Coordinates: 34.19330, -77.92470 Happy hunting!

Mine's been dead for almost four decades, so you would have to wear that arm out digging him up first!

However you describe it, I think these arguments over pedantic details in video games are hilarious schadenfreude. It makes me giggle every time I see some poster hellbent on tying to say "everyone against me is a bad person" over details no one in the conversation can control. Call it fighting over who got the largest piece of cake, who's dad can beat up the other dads, which version of Superman is the worst, etc., but when it all turns into the simplistic idea of trying to make people who talk about a things but won't jump on the hate-wagon into some kind of developer loving pariahs, I just laugh at them. The one thing the WF forums have consistently provided is a long, long line of them for our amusement. People who literally take the stance "if you are not agreeing with me you are wrong and a developer lover" are just hilarious. I wonder if some of these supposed adults make complaints to the airline about pilot ability when there is turbulence they cannot control, or ask for a manager when their sprinkles don't cover the entire ice-cream Sunday. Then I realize these same people will be put in positions to make decisions for others, and I weep for humanity...

I guess if one is going to be an Eeyore, one might as well own it, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! This idea that because someone won't get on a bandwagon against a game company over changes or bugs is therefore a 'bootlicker' or 'white-knight' is hilarious. It's like watching 13 year old's upset because someone implied they might have cooties. Hilarious.

So many of the posters in this thread sound like children scared of the boogie-man in the closet.

So, basically because you have decided in your mind that simply because a task appears in a video game, you have some obligation to do that task, and it overwhelms you. News Flash - this is not the the game, this is your brain chemistry and game companies do not have to cater to it. A game could have thousands of tasks available - there is no obligation to do any of them. I realize some gamers are task oriented and enjoy doing tasks, while others do not. However, there is not, again, any obligation to do these things except in your own mind. I suggest introspection to learn where the games faults end and where your personality traits begin. This has nothing to do with WF, beyond you not liking it's presentation. Yes, I also read you like to bash what you think are 'fan-boys' when others disagree with you - I have not played in months, I got bored. But I realize that I got bored, I did not blame the game or come here to explode all over the forums about it, I get bored with many games. You got bored with a game and now you think you have to cast 'blame' in some passive-aggressive attempt to make others feel bad about playing a game you no longer enjoy. It's a silly premise and POV, IMO. Good Luck and Happy Gaming.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time”. - John Lydgate, Poet It seems to me that a large number of gamers simply refuse to understand and accept this concept and instead argue as if their POV is not only the dominant POV, but that 'everyone' thinks as they do, when reality begs to differ. For example, from my POV, if someone thinks six months is a long time, then they don't really understand much about how things work. I understand at 55 the passage of time is different for me than a 20-something full of desire to beat the game, but live service games are built around the idea of long term goals to keep people playing. This incessant gamer-angst around being 'gotta go fast because I have 10 other games to play' and/or 'this game wastes my time', etc. is, in my opinion, from my POV, silly. What's the rush? If you sign up for a live service game, things take time, the whole point is for them to take time to complete so you have a reason to play if you play for rewards. If you play any live service game, from any developer, they either change and evolve or die. If you play a game because it's fun, the rewards 'just happen' anyway and thus no need to create angst over not getting them 'fast enough'. It's not rocket surgery, it's just pixels in a game.

Watching people who don't understand how things work trying to instill fear into others because they don't understand how things work is both amusing and demoralizing.

What elitist, Man-Up, testosterone, Ableist BS. I am so glad, ecstatic even, I never have to play games with people that have these hateful thoughts strong enough admit them in words. This line of thought is perhaps the most disgusting thig I see gamers spew. And people wonder why gamers are often so reviled. I hold hope that one day you and other with these ideas how terrible they are, but I don't hold my breath. This is the reason not to play with randos, to avoid playing with people that think these hateful things, not because there are players that still have new things to learn.

What a silly, testosterone filled take. Your prose is based on Man-Up and Testosterone, with a big helping of Ableism. I suggest you research concepts like Compassion and Understanding. While DE in my book should put out whatever content they like, this particular content was deployed with very questionable tactics. I have all but stopped playing the game literally because the attitude from DE on this matter is also based on Man-Up and Testosterone, with a big helping of Ableism, so you are aligned with the developer here, on what is a terrible implementation for a game of this type, IMO. One day in the future when your physical and mental capabilities are not what they are today, you may understand, I hope one day you do. This is a game to entertain people and while masochists exist, punishing your customer into interacting with your product or having to literally walk away from it is a terrible business tactic. Where I work, we have a solid rule - Don't Punish the Client - pretty simple. So, enjoy your abilities while they last, because one day you won't have them and you might just then, years from now perhaps, realize there is more to the world than Man-Up.

For me, the moment I feel like I am doing a chore in a video game, i shutdown teh video game and find another. IME, it happens in almost all of the games I play on occasion. I find the easiest way to avoid a game feeling like a chore is to stop all focus on teh rewards. So long as I do not focus on teh rewards of teh game and focus instead on just enjoying playing, the rewards 'just appear'. I LOVE the RNG of WF in that respect, for example. I can just run the missions I like and rewards 'just appear'. IME after playing games since Pong was introduced, the fundamental key to enjoying a game is to ignore the rewards and just play the game. I think content is content and the hype/angst of the gamer is what sometimes makes it a chore.

Does it smell weird? I hate to use things that expire and smell weird...as long as it smells ok, it's usually fine to use, IME.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! That's rich. You constantly attack and insult the developers and other players with direct language. Do you actually drink so much of your own piss that you really think you 'just talk about the game state'? Just look in this thread, much less your years long post history. I have avoided interacting directly with you, but this statement is the most disingenuous thing I think I have seen you type, in all the years I have been on this forum. Just ... wow.

OMG! I had no idea (non-twitterer). What's that I smell? ...

Yeah, the poster to whom you refer simply cannot understand the difference between opinionated, subjective personal preference and fact. And to your point, it's never really changed - this poster has always done this and eventually leaves in a tizzy for a while when no one will validate their opinions, only to return a few weeks/months later and start all over again. Now, we have an outright denial of reality - that another poster can actually have a had fun with something Eeyore thinks is 'trash made from crumbs'. It continues to fascinate me as to why this person has such a driving need to have their opinion validated as fact, but not s much as their unending attempts to try and convince others they are not having fun and/or the fun they are having is 'not real' because the 'challenge' is lacking, etc. As others have said in this thread, the 'end-game' of this game is to absorb the new content and collect more things as things are released, even if some people want 'end-game' to mean what they think it should mean. And this is the funniest part, IME, the Eeyores that cry "Doom!" over and over, with these games still running, in spite of how much they want them to die.