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Its not about strictly being right or wrong. I know what I experienced on more maps than just hydron, but I used that map as a simple example. Honestly, its irrelevant. It doesnt matter anymore what was, but how utterly eff'd up Dante is going to be once DE finishes butchering him, or not, but I find that less likely.

ok. well, back to my giant bowl of LSD for breakfast.

Am I allowed to have conversations with others on the forums, or is that a privilege reserved only for people who are neuro-typical? I have been trying to point out to people the power of personal choice multiple times, but my posts keep getting deleted without any indication as to why? I sure would love to know my sin. I would love to be informed of the danger of speaking truth.

Hydron. Sedna. Im standing on the casket in its lowered position casting Dark Verse. Enemies in their spawn areas are taking slash damage. Clearly it was just the mountains of LSD that I don't take that were confusing my feeble mind.

That was not my experience at Dante's launch, but whatever.

Ok. So how was I able to apply slash to enemies on floors below me that I could not see?

Dark Verse had a LOS check from the beginning? I am very certain that it did not, given that I was applying slash to enemies below floors and on the other side of walls.

Really? It didnt initially, that must have been added at some point after the first nerf. I haven't played since then.

I was pondering that as well for a few days now and I think you are correct. A LOS check on Dark Verse rather than Tragedy would make much more sense.

I agree with all of this. I believe it to be essentially true. However, it is not mutually exclusive from the central point of my post, namely that players have the power of choice and should perhaps make use of that power more than the forums. Incidentally, UnstarPrime, did you happen to respond to me this morning before the old thread was censored? Its a bummer if you did because I was looking forward to reading what you had to say.

Where are you finding those?

Challenge as a concept is entirely subjective. What you define as challenging someone else might find to be trivial. Secondly, you have complete agency to choose your own level of challenge in Warframe. You get to choose to play solo or in a group, either public or private. You get to choose which frame and which weapons you bring on a mission. You get to choose what mods to put into your frame and weapons. If you think the game is too easy for you, you are free to choose to remove your best mods whenever you wish. What you do not get to do is dictate how anyone else gets to enjoy the game, ostensibly by demanding that DE change the game to your favor and at someone else's expense. I for one would love to delete from the game certain frames that annoy me, such as Saryn, Octavia, Limbo, and others, but I do not seriously seek or expect that outcome. Instead, I utilize my own powers of agency and either play solo (which I do most of the time), or drop group if a frame that tends to annoy me is present, or I suck it up if for some reason I need to be in a public group. Finally, to pre-address, "what about you, OP, aren't you trying to dictate what others do with this very post?" The answer is no. My suggestion that you have the power of choice is not at all the same as forcing you to make one choice or another. Conflating the two is intellectually dishonest and patently absurd. As an example, my suggestion that you can eat with your left hand or your right hand is not equivalent to me forcing you to eat! (made a copy, just in case this post mysteriously goes missing again too)

This is beautifully clear and concise. I think it does a great job of accurately painting a picture of the various factors that are being effectively smeared together and ignored in the larger "nerf" vs "no-nerf" shouting match. I especially love the punchline " if the preferred solution for a caster archetype is weapons.. then he fails at being a caster, doesn't he? " Great job OP!

ROFL yes!

I am struck by how certain so many of you are that you "know" what DE is going to do. The ENTIRE purpose of my post is that I REALLY DO NOT KNOW what DE is going to do and that fact gives me anxiety! I mean, I'm old enough to remember instances of DE nerfing things from out of nowhere that didn't need to be nerfed. Can any of you think of any hasty changes that completely missed the mark?