PoppyPrince

So, instead of just adding an option to turn his AI off, a player must waste 1 mod slot for that?

Asking less grind in a game about grind and demanding some respect for your time? Here?

^^^^ ye btw devs literally make you convert THREE weeks worth of waiting to properly upgrade ONE of FIVE shard slots. And that's only ONE warframe. It seems just like they want to cyphon your life time just for the sake of it.

i am tired of repeating it, but still, most of my questions come not from "this frame is weak" but from "well, as you see, nobody/extremelly little % of players uses it, what's their problem is they are so cool?"

Loki Prime is not so far lower than Ivara Prime in popularity stat. Does it mean people enjoy playing them both almost equally or does that mean they are equally bad? While basic Loki is leagues above basic Ivara (however i think it has to do with how annoying is basic Ivara to get, so we will ignore that) About niches: it is not a complete excuse. It means a warframe can be placed in a second que when it comes to rework. What i mean by that: Gara, while being strong, is also boring because her main kit is aoe dmg and survivability. And we already have enough frames who do that. While Atlas and Valkyr can offer nothing else except "haha, i punch people", but it can entertain people with…specific tastes.

Pay your attention. I didn't say Loki is one of the coolest frames or something like that. I said he has his niche. He is good when you have to do spy mission and you want to do it with your brain turned off. Or any other mission when you are just not in the mood for interacting with enemies.

it's ok to have ~1 useless ability if other work well. (but ye, ult rework sounds tasty) Now i am sure that people didn't even trouble themselves to read properly what i have written. My fault tho, should have written less if i expetected better information digestion. Now, about your question: i said literally in the beginning of my post, that i don't touch frames which at least fill in specific niches because other frames in my list can always be replaced by something else, while frames like Atlas and Valkyr at least will entertain those who are completely into melee, because there are only few choices.

Limbo - i would make dota2-like option: "ignore ally's help", toggling it on your frames will just ignore Limbo's abilities. Straight and simple. Loki is ok, he was just made for lazy gameplay and lazy people. His invisibility is perfect, he isn't as slow and restricted in actions as Ivara and doesn't have miserable duration multiplier like Ash. His 1+3 are perfect for skipping 90% of detection area in data rooms on spy missions. Atlas - as i mentioned, i didn't touch frames which fill in some niche even if they are clunky. But if possible, yes, i would upgrade him too.

i will copypaste my previous answer: i called "weak" only a few of them, my much more constant question was: where are they? Famous Gara always gets furious protection in any thread, however gets 0 attention in game. I wanted to write this thread a month ago, so i started to pay double attention which frames people take with me on sorties/relics/archon hunts and etc. Moreover i was always curious about my teams' choices because i don't mind being a teamplayer and complimenting my comrades' abilities, so i have a very clear year worth impression in my head about "common" choices.

i called "weak" only a few of them, my much more constant question was: where are they?

Ember is nuker for lazy, she is fine. Just spam 4 up to lvl 90, then add 3 before 4. Equinox, while being also a jack of all trades, probably offers as much functionality as ONE warframe can offer. What's up with Garuda and Valkyr? Loki was made for lazy spy missions. Mirage is good nuker and has good 1x1 dmg. I am in agreement about Nyx tho.

Personally i wouldn't mind to even spare niche frames, for example, melee-oriented ones: Valkyr/Garuda/Atlas, some people just love punching stuff. But some others (in my humble opinion) can be considered obsolete. Like this ones: 1) Nyx - She was supposed to be CC queen, but look where are we now. All her kit looks either bleak or "ok, but we have better analogues". 2) Chroma - Helminth material. End of story. 3) Inaros - Ok, devs announced a rework for him, he is spared from a trash bin, yet. 4) Gara - On a paper: mighty frame with good survivability and InSaNe damage. In reality: i saw my last Gara, like, a year ago? May be even 2 years. I don't say she is weak, i ask where are Garas? 5) Banshee - The biggest dmg amp haver in the game…how often do you see her, honestly? 6) Ivara - a joke. Her 2 is insanely niche, 1 and 3 meet the famous "meh, there are much better analogues". Yes, her bow can 1shot 180lvl CHGs with SP modifiers, but, cmon, just take bramma at this point. 7) Styanax - while having pretty comfy kit, he offers nothign special or flashy. Understandably fogotten. 8) Voruna - I have a soft spot for muscle women, but they straight up butchered her with a kit like that. Her 1, 2 and 4 encourage her to be in close quarters, however the impact of 4 isn't really worth jumping at the crowd and without 4 she hasn't have her "charm" of a wild huntress. 9) Culervo - He is borderline ok, since he is a niche for…heavy attack enjoyers??? Seen any? 10) Kaliban - honestly, a surprise for me. Dude offers armor/shield strip and dmg vulnerability in ONE kit (warframes are usually given 1 of these 2), moreover this can go further beyond with Helminth, but he seems completely forgotten. Hydroid rework was majestic (now fairly my main) and i think these frames deserve Hydroid treatment. TL;DR - My main point isn't about their strength. My main point is: how often do you even see these frames? https://www.warframe.com/ru/2023stats As you can see, most of mentioned frames are placed in second half of these stats. I agree not to touch ~newborn frames since they didn't get their true place yet.