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People are still convinced that Bramma and other AOE weapons are S#&$ after the nerf that happened such a long time ago. So I am not surprised. But I need to try out the nerfed Dante before I can give my 2 cents.

Where did I write about difficulty? I wrote about endgame. And since Duviri it should be clear that they want Warframe players to use more than one loadout in endgame. Circuit made this crystal clear. The new mode is only emphasizing this further. It costs a lot of Forma, but it is also a lot of fun. Loads of weapons and Warframes to discover that a lot of people never even touched. Might not be for everyone, I admit, but it is a fine way to incentivize a broader spectrum of equipment.

They announced this as a very hard endgame activity, so maybe, just maybe, you are not ready for it? I can tell you that I only died once when I forgot to refresh my overguard. So it is absolutely doable not to be oneshot.

I think unless DE makes all parts drop alltogether in a lvl 5 capture mission that is doable in under 15 seconds, people won't be happy with any solution. There will always be complaints, always.

I think discussion means for you to be right, not to get it right. You know that this is a stupid argument. There is no way to prove it, because I have no access to the data. I have some anecdotal evidence which I myself admitted that it is not the best evidence. Does it matter though? People who buy the frame in the first week are not buying it, because it does 50k Overguard, they buy it, because they want to play the frame right away instead of farming it. And I highly doubt that many people do that. Btw, I asked you for prove that DE pulled a bait-and-switch and you did not prove it either. A bait-and-switch that is withdrawn after a couple of days is a ridiculous accusation and you know it. Anyway, since discussion with self-righteous people like you is neither fun nor intriguing, I sign myself out. Have fun with your conspiracy theories regarding DE who are not allowed to make a mistake that they are taking back very soon and want to pull platinum from the market by making them purpously too strong for a couple of days.

Come on mate, are we really lowering ourselves in a debate like that? I think you are smarter than that. Honest to god: I don't know any Warframe player EVER who bought a normal Warframe for 300+++ plat. And I know a lot of guys and play the game since the beginning. There might be some, I did not ask the specific question to everyone, but everyone I talked about thought that it is ridiculous since Warframe are so easy to farm. Come on mate 2: Why lowering yourself with words like "bootlicker"? "You can notice an intellectual fool when he refrains to perjoratives instead of wisdom". So, following up on your argument.... do you have prove that DE really pulled a bait and switch? Or did you make it up this time? Because stuff being release too strong has happened in nearly every video game at all times. IF they would have pulled a bait and switch, they would not have corrected it a couple of days after release. They would have let it open for some time. Otherwise it makes no sense. I think if you play with a Dante and try to get the most kills, you will lose bigtime. This is what it is all about. I know that they can kill everything, but it takes a while to set it up. Thanks for the explanation though, appreciate it.

Didn't see many of them either, but give it 2 weeks and they will start pouring out of all holes.

1. to use his 4, he needs to press 3 twice. This is already enough to kill a lot of steel path mobs due to the slash nature of his 3. I have never noticed any problem with line of sight in a way that it becomes a problem. 2. I play him with 45% efficiency and have no energy problems. Granted, I build around it, but this is what Warframe is about. You need Equilibrium that is all. If you do not use the -efficiency strength mod, you don't need Equilibrium either. Since I don't need any defensive mods (lol), this is an absolute non-issue. Mod spots galore. 3. It uses slash, I have no problems against lvl 200 mobs in Steel path, where and why do you run into problems? Or are we talking about 9999, because I rarely try that out. You say that Dante has problems with damage fall off and then you talk about Gauss? There are better nukers than Gauss. New Nezha is baffling after they nerfed influence and how it interacts with some kinds of damage. Will be nerfed for sure and I agree.... the augment needs a nerf as well.

I appreciate your reasonable and well argued posting. At least someone who knows how to debate. This being said, let us not lose sight of the original problem: Dante is very capable of hogging mass kills after mass kills after mass kills and nothing will stop him. So it is easy for him to make 3 other players in the team useless by getting a very large amount of kills, the more mobs are around, the more apparent the problem becomes. He does not care if something needs to live long or be a certain faction, a problem that many other frames have and he has really no downsides. He uses slash as a tool which scales infinitely, so he does not fall behind in higher levels (did not play him higher than 200 though) It is my Bramma argument all over again. It is unfun to play Warframe if you don't get any kills. But even if you lose sight of his nuking ability that is room wide, his 60k overshield-without-any-effort makes the whole team invincible and knock-down immune as well. So he is the best offensive and best defensive frame at once? I don't mind players having overpowered tools if they are somehow in check. Dante though is not. And people choose to not see this, because they love their tool too much. Take his offense or his defense, I don't mind either way, but both in one frame is way too much.

Yeah? Then tell me about the Dante nerfs... how did they play out? What are they nerfing? By what percentages? Oh, you don't know? MIght be that I am disconnected from "the rest of the playerbase", but you are disconnected from reality. Whining about nerfs that did not even happen yet. Edit: What scale of nerfs am I asking for? And this is not the first time I asked for nerfs, I did for many other topics as well. OP Bramme being one of those or melee nerfs, which had MASSIVE scale.

Let us make a bet then, you run Equinox against my Dante in Steel Path Conjunction Survival while only using abilities and we will see who has more ability kills at the end of 10 minutes. Or Mesa? Or Mirage? Or Volt? Please don't argue with weapon kills, do me the favor, ok?

Is that your counter argument? Really? Already at your wits end? There have been countless nerfs in countless games. Name me ONE that made a game die. Or even better.... how did Warframe not die already having countless nerfs already?

Yeah, people who buy new non-prime frames with platinum, there might be a full dozen. Oh and yeah, Dante is so hard to farm, couple of runs in Steel Path. It is rare that Warframes are as farmable as Dante. Last but not least... Dante won't be unusable. I farmed him as well and I have no problems with him being nerfed.

Yes? Let us make a bet... you play Equinox/Saryn/Mirage/Mesa and Volt (? yeah, whatever) in Steel Path conjunction survival and let us see how much %age of kills I get. Or are talking about Earth lvl 5 survival? Because then you are right of course. But so is any other frame.

Yeah, but show me all those "vote with a wallet"- people that actually quit the game. You don't quit games because you are upset, you stop playing them, because you no longer care. And if you no longer care, you don't create "vote with your wallet" postings any more. Yes, this is a generalization, so please don't use some minority cases to "prove me wrong".

Ok, here we go again: Khora - yes, needs to be nerfed... already has been, but still could need one. If you want to argue pro Khora: She needs a lot of setup to get her to OP status.... Mesa - does not proc slash, so she is not infintely scalable, everything is killed ultrafast from any frame till level 100... use Mesa in lvl 200 and lets us see how she clears a room without anyone being able to get a kill new Nezha - needs a nerf and will get one, hopefully vauban - ??? I dont play him much, but how can he clear a room before anyone is able to get in a kill? Saryn - hogs a lot of damage, but she kills slowly so no, don't use her name when talking about Dante, please Nova - ???? I don't know man, how can she clear a room so that noone gets a kill limbo - ???????????????????? How can he clear a room so that noone gets a kill? Octavia - ??????? did you lose track about what we are talking about here? As a reminder: Octavia can clear a room before anyone gets a kill????? Maybe some of those frames have a very, very niche setup where they can clear a room in Steel Path without anyone being able to grab a kill, but can they do it with 2 forma right out of the box by pressing 334? Why would you install two umbra formas on Dante? Shows right of the bat that you have no clue about him at this moment. And you don't see him that often, because he got released not too long ago and he needs basically 4 days to build and farm if you are hyper active and laser focused on getting him.

If you don't understand the differences between your frames and Dante, it is ok. Hey, we all started playing this game at a point. If you really wish to get into endgame, play circuit till lvl 9999. Then you clearly see what some frames can do what others cannot. And btw.... one thing being broken does not justify another thing being broken. if you were right, more frames need to be nerfed and not that Dante is good as he is now.

I love it how people argument against nerfs. Always gives me a chuckle. Dante makes everyone in his group invincible without any effort whatsoever. Since you cannot seem to be able to understand even this, you disqualify yourself in any discussion. Because your interest is most certainly not the good of the game or getting it right, your motive is to keep your toy that diminshes everything else in the game.

Man, please play Steel Path and higher and not only level 10 before you make postings like this. You are wrong on nearly every sentence that you wrote and grossly downplaying his strength. - bit of overguard? no, the overguard is MASSIVE and passively generated without any effort whatsoever - Rhino can't generate overguard for all teammembers last time I checked, so don't compare - dark verse if specced with highest strength murders everything non-Eximus in its path already. Dantes 4 is only icing on the cake. - what makes him an endgame frame? Nothing that you need to do to get him is endgame, nothing. You only need to have some quests finished. - what is so different on his playstyle? what timers do you need to take into account? You just spawm 334 and everything dies. Nothing special, timing or allies about it. - there are mods to improve your casting and sprint speed, just in case you did not know - I am running him with 45% efficiency and don't have any mana problems ever. Equilibrium is enough to make all your energy problems go away - his playstyle won't change, don't worry, the only change will be that he no longer makes himself and the whole team invincible and maybe, just maybe he cannot nuke the whole room effortlessly any more

Everyone, not only Warframe players, become triggered by the word "nerf". It is like toddlers when you take away their most beloved toy. At least look at the context and the good of the game as a whole. One frame dominating the meta and 3 other players is not healthy for any game.

I want the first version back, with the bug that made enemies able to spawn in the nearest vicinity and make Netracells playable on Steel Path. In the first week it was more about "surviving" than "waiting" and way, way more fun. This being said, Netracells is the most boring activity in the game upwards of Steel Path. DE, please look at conjunction survival and copy paste the mechanisms.

As long as you post here, you won't vote with your wallet. The "wallet" is a tool for people with an inferiority complex that makes them feel better. If I can give you one hint for your life, don't threaten to do something, do something instead. Threatening is only for the weak. This being said, I applaude DE for nerfing Dante, he was way, way, way too strong. In ever steel path mission, my whole team had 30k+ overguard, which is crazy.

Forum users definition of fun is overpowered sadly. Dante can clear the whole room within seconds with ease and with no way that he can come into harm wthout any defensive mods. Compare that to other frames and you already knew that a nerf was coming. Now imagine that 4 players want to have fun and kill stuff together, but one player is hogging 99% of all the kills. Is that "fun" for all other 3 players? Should they test a bit more and not release Warframes or weapons in such a blatantly overpowered state? Absolutely Was this nerf justified? Yes it was. Dante is quite boring though, always hitting the same buttons and the whole room dies feels like a cheat and loses its charm, like every other cheat, after maximum of 10 minutes. Yeah and Warframe being "torture" when Dante is nerfed, is absolutely no exaggeration and I am not being ironic nor sarcastic.

Why would you use Onos? The weapon is atrocious. Or am I missing something?

Just go ahead, you no longer need facts or experience to discuss with anyone. Just be a bit louder and more demeaning to make up for it.