oceano4
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My only concern is what about pre-existing game modes that reward multiple rewards, such as Void Def, survival and sabotage?
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18 hours ago, Multicom-EN- said:
So players who have played a long time but never got the Targis armor set should be "punished"?
A separate pack for the same price but rather filled with boosters instead of the prime gear would be pleasing to everyone in the community, i think.
And this is what TONNES of people have been saying for almost a year now, and last time De talked about the topic was 8 months ago when Frost came out.
I think they simply don;t care anymore.
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What annoys me the most, is that there has been backlash with Frosts back since day 1, an 8 months pause, with discussion inbetween, more discussion in the past month before the release, then a megathread, and multiple other threads, including this 20 page one.
And not a single response.
I'm just thinking DE doesn't really care.
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6 hours ago, motorfirebox said:
No, I'm not kidding. I'd rather pay 60 for the armor and 1200 plat than 50 for the armor and some boosters.
So what about my idea then? Do you want people to have worthless dups?
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Truth be told, DE's irl market needs looking into first.
yes, this is another post about the dreaded Prime Vault, but when you have something that costs £40, but is one of the most player in-friendly things to buy for longer running, loyal Tenno, I can't help but feel strongly for this.
i myself have everything in that pack (bar the avatars), but I'm talking on behalf of the many Tenno, some in my clan, some on my friend list, who have been waiting 2 years for the return of Targis Prime, but are being treated poorly by this pack, just a repeat of the Frost Prime fiasco.
im not asking for a second pack, I know it's never going to happen, DE Rebecca said so herself on Twitter.
But this pack, which I mentioned already is expensive (You can buy a game with he money spent on it, or due to Steam Sale, multiple games instead), and is player un-friendly.
How is it? Well people who have Got Mag, Boar or Dakra Prime, or all of them, get duplicates in their inventory.
Yet nothing can be done with them. They are useless, worthless. The only thing I can see them being use for, is selling for a tiny amount of credits to get a weapon/single Frame slot.
So essentially, any Tenno who aren't new players, have been waiting 2 whole years for this pack, are paying the same price as someone who would get entirely new things for themselves.
DE, this silance to the backlash from the players is very telling, and my lord it's so frustrating, so many of us are angry, it feels greedy, like a cash grab, and I'm irritated for my best friend, who just wants to buy the armour, but doesn't want to waste their money on worthless duplicates.
So long story short, DE, please just let us know /something/. You said 8 months ago you would try listening to the players after it was too late to change the Frost Unvaulting, but it doesn't feel like that at all.
Please just give players who already own the Prime gear, blueprints instead. At least that way, they don't get worthless duplicates that can do nothing with. It would incentivise trading, and you would have more people willing to buy this pack.
DE, *please* just talk to your community about this...
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7 minutes ago, motorfirebox said:
What they get is 1200 plat. It's not player unfriendly at all, in fact it's actually more desirable than the original accessories pack.
Are you...kidding???
Okay, so 1 cosmetic over 2, Prime Vault is worse.
Price is more expensive slightly, Prime Vault is worse.
1200 plat, Priem Vault is better.
Comes with Prime Frame + Prime weapons with no option of another choice, Prime Vault is WORSE.
Players who already own Said Prime gear? No boosters or blueprints instead, just the same thing they already have, Prime vault is worse.
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Dual Decurion:
"Delivering twin streams of highly accurate, rapid-fire ordnance, the Decurion are specifically designed for combat in the vacuum of space."
Highly accurate? it has the most recoil of all Arcwhing weapons in the form of an uncontrollable screenshake, has bullet spread where all other fully autos don't.
But can we not just change the description, but tone down the screenshake please? It;s already obad, but with the new Archwing movement system coming soon, I can see it being very disorientating
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6 hours ago, motorfirebox said:
Anybody wearing Targis Prime, obviously.
It's a much better deal than the original Prime Accessories pack that Targis Prime came in.
But, it;s very player un-friendly.
What about people who want the armour, but own the Prime gear?
Do they get boosters instead?
No.
Okay then...how about, blueprints! So they can sell them on and incentivise trading!
No again....
They get USELESS, WORTHLESS duplicates, which they can do NOTHING with.
People are essentially wasting some of the money they put into buying this scam of a pack.
Would it really be THAT hard DE, just to give people who own the gear already, blueprints instead? I have friends, and clan mates who would consider buying the package then!
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Would it honestly be that hard for BluePrints to be given to players who already own the gear of the package?
My friend would happily buy it then, but until then, it;s a huge waste of money for them. Duplicates are worthless.
Thats the nature of f2p games nowadays. Whats shocking to me is how few people actually know how f2p markets work.
Also F2P=/= Having a business model that actively punishes veteran players.
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Just now, (PS4)A_SimpleName said:
Let's face reality. DE won't change the system for this un-vaulting. They realize that many people wanted the Misa Prime (arguably the best syandana) and that the bundle will sell no matter what. DE also realize that people want the Targis Armor set (arguably the best armor) and they know that people will buy that, too. The only other Accessory that is left that garner that much interest is the Edo Prime set, but the next one in line is the Noru Prime (not as popular). I am willing to bet that DE will have more bundle for the next un-vaulting because they know it won't sell as well. They will simply PR it to be "Hey community, We, here at DE, really do listen to feedback and decided that we will provide more options in bundling".
I hope the decision to not include more options was NOT due to money-wise, because I am done supporting this business model, considering they have time to think it over since Frost un-vaulting.
I swear to god if that happens...
Gonna save this post just in case...
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6 minutes ago, heskaroid said:
Fashionframe is slowly turning into Insecurityframe.
Really guys,they're just cosmetics.
That DE are charging a full games price worth for.
And we all know it, DE knows it, that the main attraction for these packs ARE the cosmetics. People were asking for years that DE return prime cosmetics, and when they do, they bundle it up in a pack that screws long time players over ,the ones who have been waiting the LONGEST to get their hands on these cosmetics.
The way these packs are going out is TERRIBLE and NOT player friendly.
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Welp, the other thread got locked, so we have this one now. Something about encouraging feedback.
DE had 8 months of feedback to work on, yet nothing was changed...
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Gree[DE]
Hey guys, remember this?
I guess 8 months of the odd discussion, and weeks of discussion lately, none of them "made sense", so they just did the exact same thing as last time.
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25 minutes ago, Krysyth said:
Ayyyyy that's my reddit post.
Ah and I;ve posted on their too, thank you SO much for making that post Tenno! <3
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/4qazaq/still_no_vault_accessories_pack_angry_vote_with/
Check this out guys.
Vote on here too.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10565702/r
And post here if you could too.
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DE once again chose to ignore what the playerbase wanted, and instead aimed for profit.
I guess it;s true, profit DOES numb the feeling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/4qazaq/still_no_vault_accessories_pack_angry_vote_with/
(check out the comments on the official post)
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Hell no, I;m not buying this until they DON'T give us duplicate gear but blueprints instead.
I'll save and spend my money else where, I;ve heard there's a sake on steam right now....
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25 minutes ago, Cerbera said:
What happens if I buy the pack already owning Mag Prime? Will I get a additional copy of Mag Prime or will it be discounted to compensate for "the lost value"?
I'm only really looking for Targis Armor since it was only available for a limited time, which I did not play at.
Guess what?
You get...
a useless duplicate!
A personal middle finger from DE to you! :D
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2 minutes ago, HalliF4x said:
I feel pretty bad about dropping 60 € for just the plat and targis i cant even donate the gear to my friends :-/
Exactly! De doesn't even listen to it;s playerbase when it comes to packages they have to sell. Remember how hard we had to fight for the Trinity Prime Access?
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AGAIN, you guys screw over players how have been playing loyally! Not even BLUEPRINTS instead of useless duplicates for gear already owned! You guys didn't even listen, again...
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On 27/06/2016 at 4:50 PM, SenorClipClop said:
I wouldn't call this "screwing over" experienced players, even if this isn't exactly what some of them want.
It's literally that easy.
More people happy with pack = more sales = win win.
Although with less than 4 hours left, and no word from DE...I don't think they're going to do it....
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11 hours ago, ZennedasDiamond said:
Its Prime Vault, Not Prime Access so, they doesnñ not care about selling prime accesories without wf, so.... stop complaining about that.
It's called constructive criticism.
And until DE treats older players netter, we will never stop "complaining".
The main attraction of this pack is Targis Prime and EVERYONE knows this, especially DE. Why would they have jumped MULTIPLE Prime Accessorises that came out before Nyx Primes?
A secondary pack, cheaper or not, would be the best option.
Or giving people who already own the Frame / Weapons blueprints, so we don't waste our money on useless duplicates.
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2 hours ago, Troll_Logic said:
You don't know that. Would I prefer the items to be separated? Of course. But twice the number of sales at 40% of the cost isn't making more money.
I don't like it either. DE screws over experienced players all of the time in favor of higher prices and other game aspects. But it is what it is.
That's why I suggested the part option, so they can charge the seam amount, they just don't F*** everyone over with this, and get more sales, if they are so adamant on not selling a smaller cheaper back for their buck.
58 minutes ago, SenorClipClop said:I wouldn't call this "screwing over" experienced players, even if this isn't exactly what some of them want.
I would calling it screwing over, when the main attraction for longer running players is the armour, and everyone knows that. And the polls don't lie, 85% of people voted in favour of a different way of doing things.Charging people more, or selling them 1 thing they want, and 3 things they don't, is not a healthy attitude.
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You only just need to read these threads to understand how frustrated the player base is becoming with how the Prime Vault is functioning(And that isn't even mentioning it's existence in the first place)
SpoilerTable dilution when there's rotations with no prime parts in them at all, and the derelict is wasted so badly.
And then, we have this.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10565702/r
85% of those currently do not like this package as it currently is.
There's a feeling of growing distrust when it comes to these, it's very reminiscent of the Trinity Prime Access situation we had.
And the simple fact is, DE will make money from this pack, but you would make FAR more, if you just had the option for players who already own the Prime Gear, to receive parts instead of useless duplicates or something along that line.
I;m lucky and already own Targis Prime armour, but some of my friends in game, and people in my clan refuse to buy this pack as it is currently, even though they would love to own the armour and support DE, and it just hurts to see this all happen. I for one would have LOVED to own the Misa Prime Syandana from Frosts pack, but owning everything else in that pack, £40 is NOT worth 1 Syandana and an Extractor.
Please, let us know what is going on.
(08/07/2016) Update 4.2.2
in General
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Woo, what an update!
Downloading as I type, thank you very much! :D