(PSN)VoiD_Glitch
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38 minutes ago, Operative_Shift said:
The Definition of Datamining from an ACTUAL Computer Engineer
I'll just leave this here for ya'll to stew on.
And here's a shorter version, not from a Computer Engineer, but still covers the information about the ACTUAL definition of datamining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB6XMEFPxA8
Kthnxbai!! <3 <3
What this person does not understand though is that there are different contexts in which different vocabulary makes statements work. For example, to a general audience, datamining is "the practice of examining large databases in order to generate new information". However, to the Warframe community, datamining is what this individual is trying to call "hacking". However, we cannot say that, because Digital Extremes' own Rebecca Ford described this individual's "hacking" as "datamining" in her own Reddit post:
"Then our unreleased quest scripts got datamined which we spoke on in this subreddit - we encouraged people not to read it and continued working on what we hoped would remain a surprise." (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/6in4t0/void_glitchs_repository_is_gone/dj7p9u0/)
Her "hacking" seems to be in reference to the Excalibur Umbra and Primed Streamline scandals, and as I said before, I was not involved in them. Let me make it clear that I do not have a full understanding regarding how to "inject" models into Warframe nor have I done it myself (since I do not know how to). I do not agree with injecting unobtainable items into video games to promote scams or controversy.
In fact, the majority of the files that were on the GitHub repository were not encrypted. They were parsed out of a file known as Packages.bin, a, while obfuscated file, was not entirely secure. It was not even encrypted or hashed. It was essentially plaintext for the information that was able to be pulled from it. Other files such as Languages.Bin, DropTables (actually an assortment of many files), or MissionDecks (actually an assortment of many files), files that were encrypted, were not "hacked" out (see how the terminology does not work?) of the game. They were extracted from the application sent to all of our computers (meaning that you could access it too, AGayGuyPlays), and a more accurate term to describe the process of making them readable would be "Reverse Engineering". Reverse Engineering is legal to perform in the United States of America (my country of residence). "Reverse engineering, also called back engineering, is the processes of extracting knowledge or design information from anything man-made and reproducing it or reproducing anything based on the extracted information. The process often involves disassembling something (a mechanical device, electronic component, computer program, or biological, chemical, or organic matter) and analyzing its components and workings in detail." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering) Here is an excerpt from this article:
"The reasons and goals for obtaining such information vary widely from everyday or socially beneficial actions, to criminal actions, depending upon the situation. Often no intellectual property rights are breached, such as when a person or business cannot recollect how something was done, or what something does, and needs to reverse engineer it to work it out for themselves. Reverse engineering is also beneficial in crime prevention, where suspected malware is reverse engineered to understand what it does, and how to detect and remove it, and to allow computers and devices to work together ("interoperate") and to allow saved files on obsolete systems to be used in newer systems."
"In the U.S., Section 103(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) (17 USC § 1201 (f) - Reverse Engineering) specifically states that it is legal to reverse engineer and circumvent the protection to achieve interoperability between computer programs (such as information transfer between applications)."
Interopability is "the ability of computer systems or software to exchange and make use of information" in a computing context. Hmm. Exchanging and making use of information? You mean like publishing information to GitHub so the Warframe community can make use of it and exchange it with each other?
Apologies, Rob from AGayGuyPlays, but this individual is not a lawyer. All of your tweets that talk about people being "scum" for not agreeing with you and Digital Extremes and that they need to stop being "Google Search laywers"? Totally uncalled for. (Honestly, you should be removed from the Warframe Partners program just for that.) Besides the point, one of your (now) main lines of "proof that I am the guilty party" just seems so invalid, at least to me...-
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8 minutes ago, sinisteran said:
Actually yes. Void is face of data mining and he is technically breaching their copyright. Stopping him would lead to stopping others datamining. Thus reducing future exploits and hacks. Its is not only cheaper but way more efficient. Its a good move actually and they aren't doing anything shady.
Shady would be just to IP ban him and remove all possible access he has in the game. Not waste time and create this whole debacle. A 17 yr old cant exactly convince their parents to move or get the ISP to change their IP.
Actually DE being so bold is more damaging to them than it is helpful. They could have even thrown in an NDA but they didn't.
I do not believe that I am infringing on their copyright, but that is what the lawyers are paid to say.
Also, Digital Extremes did IP block me and remove all possible access I have in the game. It isn't like I play Warframe anymore anyway, but you only need the client to datamine. You don't need to be able to log-in.
Yeah, and they cannot force me to sign an NDA. It is my choice to do that. You need to know what you are talking about. -
3 minutes ago, sinisteran said:
Like I stated before you did not directly cause the exploits to happen. But can you say with 100 percent confidence and prove that your mines had no relation to umbra and primed streamline in its entirety. Not even a small mention or anything.
Still, it isn't my fault that information I published was used in a malicious manner. Just like when you said:
"2. He did not do it personally. But if what he did was still within the chain of causation he is also (not solely) responsible. Also your example is not a good one. Lets take Tesla. Their code was mined leading to a 3rd party to hack it and kill people with it. It is not Tesla's legal liability. It is impossible to make something without fault, especially programs,"
Just like it isn't Tesla's legal liability, it isn't my liability if people misuse the information I provide. I only provided the information for informational purposes, something I have said many times in the past.
"He heard that it happened after the fact is not a valid defence. HE DID NOT HACK UMBRA OF PRIMED STREAMLINED PERSONALLY- WE KNOW!But his datamine prior to the incident allowed others to exploit the game, and hack it. So yes he is technically responsible."
My datamines did not allow anyone to exploit the game. They did not provide source code or methods into manipulating Digital Extremes software or functionality in their game. So no, my datamines did not allow anyone to exploit the game and hack it. I am not responsible for this...-
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5 minutes ago, sinisteran said:
Yes I agree 100 percent.
But The title is true. They didn't do anything wrong. What did they do wrong? Its their game in the end of the day. I admit before the mines the drop rates were abysmal but that was 2013 when the game was first out and this was their first rodeo.
DE needs to learn to make things transparent enough so we arent forced to mine things. The web pages is a good start. Also data mining isnt illegal if you are under fair use they aren't banning people from doing that. Void glitch posted everything including art and scripts. That was the main issue.
DE also needs to stop being pushed around while the community directors just tanks everything. Meg and Reb don't have law degrees. Dont expect what they say to be crafted in perfection. Picking their words apart for our advantage. If reb didn't simplify what the legal team said to the best of her ability and just posted whatever the lawyers said about 1 percent of the community would get it.
Actually, the main issue was in regard to the Excalibur Prime and Primed Streamline scandals - two events that I was not involved in - yet I am being targeted for. I would recommend reading @(PS4)decogold's comment.
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16 minutes ago, NightmareT12 said:
Again, missing my point. You ignored the whole previous conversation and assume I have no freaking idea.
But whatever. As I said I don't care. This all would have been avoided by being a bit smart.Yeah, you don't seem to have any idea regarding what you are talking about. You seem to just be trying to pick fights with individuals over this. And like others have said, in and out of these Warframe Forums, I am already stressed enough because Digital Extremes still have not showed that they want to actually work with their community and I am deeply disappointed that Digital Extremes are still basically targeting me for something I was not involved in. If that is not messed up, I don't know what is.
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6 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:
@(PS4)VoiD_Glitch if you want a personal advice: Be a bit more picky with what you share (it's one thing to show the RNG chances, another one to rip a Prime model, another one to rip a new character from a quest and another one to leak a script, even if it's added beforehand :P), and if you have a suspicion of what and how that Umbra/Streamline stuff happened, be smart and make sure that doesn't happen again by either, pointing at the flaw or not sharing it. Again, I know you yourself have not done anything with bad intentions, nor are directly responsible of that, but are you sure, 100%, that you undirectly have not contributed somehow to it? That's where I want to go.
So I'm not going to be pointing fingers really here. DE did the right thing, VoiD was doing the right thing (although maybe not carefully enough) and hopefully this situation serves for something useful for once.My only goal was to upload any information that I could retrieve in a readable and useful format. It was an effort to assist the community. That was my highest priority. All Digital Extremes had to do was ask me to take something down (it seems like they specifically wanted Languages.bin down), prior to a legal letter, and it could have been as simple as that. I do not appreciate being the involved in a legal matter that should not even involve me in the first place.
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52 minutes ago, Tesseract7777 said:
I get what you are saying: void_glitch certainly took it that way, and that's understandable. Like I said, it would have been preferrable for Rebecca or someone to reach out to him and at least give him a chance to cooperate, before they sent anything from legal. But, and this may just be my desire to try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in terms of their intentions, but I think not sending him a full C&D yet was them trying to be nice about it and not come down too hard on him.
Now, I know you are going to say "they still did come down too hard on him", and I'm not saying I disagree with that. But I think, in their way, they were trying to be nice. I mean, vision is 20/20 in hindsight, and I think the devs might have handled this matter further if they could have known how it would go down, but I don't think they were trying to "go nuclear", at least not yet.
I mean, think of it this way. The chief dataminer is still allowed to post on these forums (he posted earlier in this thread) and Rebeccca had a conversation with him through private message on Reddit (although I have no idea what was said between them obv). My point is, if they were being totally nuclear and mean, I don't think they would even give void_glitch the time of day, or talk with him through pm's on reddit, or allow him to say on the forums how he feels he's been mistreated. They would just have legal tell him to shut up, and then ban and ignore him. They didn't do any of that. Instead, they are trying to find a solution that works for everyone.
I agree this could have been handled better, but at this point, after the initial mistakes they made in dealing with it, I think they are doing the best they can, and I don't think they are trying to be mean or go nuclear, even if it understandably appears that way.
All I was told was to refer to what the lawyers told me and to discuss the matter with them. Doesn't really help me solve the situation when the lawyers most likely don't know what Warframe is...
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Rebecca,
I have read your post and I appreciate the time and effort that you and others are putting in to build this website. However, I would like to leave some remarks on some of the statements that you made though.
"Back in November 2016 we colour coded our Sortie Drops to better indicate rarity as seen here: smI9iRtfbACqGZvNZ629ER6w70evvzEP7srnz8AG Here we have Rarity colour conventions to set expectations about what you'd be likely to receive when playing a given Sortie. This was an attempt to display the key value that these datamines provided: a value proposition of chance and time investment, and that's not something we want to take away. This is something we've been actively iterating on, but now we have an urgency to do it faster. But a visual guide isn't as good as numbers; datamining provided those. That's something we lived with and at some times appreciated until the revealed contents were being hacked, sold, and added to the public build."
As others and myself have told you, I was not involved in the situation in which unobtainable contents were hacked into the public build of the game. By revoking my ability to publish in-game data in a centralized format, you have targeted me and your community for reasons that should have only been attributed to one individual (or individuals). This is not fair. Sending me a legal letter to enforce your power over something you have not instated yourself is a terrible way to handle this entire situation.
"What happened yesterday (that was discussed on Reddit) isn't about hiding drop rates for us. We're working on sharing these on our website in a procedural, automatic way (similar to recent Chinese laws, but universally)... but it's not about that. This is about reverse engineering and vectors being opened with the intent to scam trade, forge items, create 3rd party servers and generally leak unfinished content and game internals that can be just as misleading as undisclosed information. Seeing a trade for Primed Streamline take place for thousands of Platinum meant people were about to get caught in the crossfire of tolerated data-mining and malicious use of datamined information. "
Still, it had nothing to do with me, so I should not have been targeted for it. Datamining does not equate to hacking, nor does vice versa. They are two different things that your lawyers will not understand if they do not play video games (specifically in this case, Warframe).
"Soon we'll have a webpage that is automated to drop provide information for those who seek it"
Sounds fair to me if it provides an Item Count, Rarity, and Drop Chance percentage.
"We asked you who does it best so we could figure out a quick way (since the urgency is on) to reflect a currently appreciated method of developers giving %'s. Where could we seek wisdom of other developers’ actions to demystify the RNG process and publish drops? The trick is that this behaviour is not strongly or exhaustively exhibited elsewhere in the industry (unless the law demands it in certain regions). There were a few (only one from a game I play), but clearly we have an opportunity here! We want to set a new standard of transparency with our community and give our players further insight into the processes in which they are assigned rewards."
You know, I would be willing to assist you, but you people seem to be against me in this... Additionally, I could provide a report I wrote about Warframe Random Number Generation a long time ago, if that would assist you in your explanation of your Warframe Random Number Generation mechanics.
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I know I'm not participating in this event at the moment, but we're overall drop rates adjusted or just Acolyte-specific ones?
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Agreed m8.
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50% Crit chance.How amazing...
Hey Nuker. I'm still in the business ;)
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Honestly, I don't see the point in this as values will always be inaccurate / hand-tested. But, whatever.
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Telos Boltor
Sancti Tigris
Secura Penta
Synoid Simulor
Rakta Cernos
Vaykor Hek
If you love your Boltor P, you'll love Telos Boltor. It feels like an upgrade to Boltor P.
It's actually statisticly worse than the Boltor Prime, but has a syndicate proc included with it. So, you won't love it unless you prefer syndicate procs to statistics.
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Depends on your luck
Kind of.
anyone knows why is that? I never knew that
Ask DE.
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I think it's the same rarity as BR, FE, HC, MF. It dropped for me before I even realised they had added it to the game rather than just talking about it. But I did a lot of runs that day trying to get Overextended and didn't get a second one, which I would probably have gotten if it was as common as spoiled strike.
All corrupted mods have the same chance to drop besides Spoiled Strike which has double the chance to drop.
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Same chance as every other mod in the [Orokin Vault] drop table.
Spoiled Strike is the only mod that has [double] the chance to drop. Every other mod is equal in drop chance.
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It's fake until a source is provided.
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I would like the shuffle to happen, but since PC will always be getting new stuff (that we want) every visit, many of us won't want to change.
If Baro however was always guaranteed to bring at least one new weapon, mod and cosmetic item aswell as previous items then this would resolve the issue, but as of now people don't want to risk getting 3 useless mods when we could've got the Prisma Dual Cleavers.
Yeah, after we get Prisma Dual Cleavers, I'm completely fine with new items (well maybe, Prisma Shade too)
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Same.
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The real question is, does this really works in game ?
I'm pretty sure my bow speed were doubled from before but I haven't tested yet.
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Does the effect of the RoF mods on the bows can be confirmed asap ? Thanks.
Well, RoF mods have 2x the effect on bows, if that is what you are asking.
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I am pretty sure that the passive does apply to Exalted Blade no matter what melee you are using, remember that in the path notes not long after the rework dropped.
Yes, because Exalted Blade is treated as a Long Sword.
Mesa's passive only affects sidearms, and only dual/single ones at that. I'm not completely sure of this, but I don't think it affects specialized secondaries like throwing knives. May be wrong though.
- 20% Reload Speed Buff w/ Pistols
- 10% Fire Rate Buff w/ Akimbo Weapons
+50 Health Increase when no melee weapon is equipped
Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).
in Developer Workshops
Posted
Time-Sensitive PC Drop Table for the Balor Fomorian
400 ENDO 75%
IMPERATOR VANDAL BARREL 11%
IMPERATOR VANDAL RECEIVER 2%
IMPERATOR VANDAL BLUEPRINT 11%
For those concerned as to why this only equals "0.99", it is because they are rounding it too strictly. There are definitely decimals that come after those. The following information has been calculated based on my previous analysis on Warframe Random Number Generation:
Time-Sensitive PC Drop Table for the Balor Fomorian
400 ENDO 75.88%
IMPERATOR VANDAL BARREL 11.055%
IMPERATOR VANDAL RECEIVER 2.01%
IMPERATOR VANDAL BLUEPRINT 11.055%