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4 hours ago, (PS4)creativedsign said:

 I'm a PS4 vet so we didn't lose much since system lunched a bit later then PC ... I'm almost at 950 logins. 

So let's be real here. You started just after the login system was added so you have only benefited from it. What you don't know was that players like myself and many, many others played for over 2 years (some for way longer if they played the beta) and when the login system was added DE gave us, veterans, nothing for our time or dedication.

New players, like yourself, that started playing when logins were added have only ever benefited from the login system. So for you to say that DE never gives the veterans anything belies the fact that you were not a veteran when logins were added to the game.

So suck it up and let the new players enjoy the benefits, just like we saw you do almost 3 years ago. And don't forget that you have had almost 3 years of benefits while we got nothing for our time.

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1 hour ago, RawrKitty said:

this is my life. 8y0nTCL.jpg

i have been a dedicated wf player since early early beta (i mean seriously my forum account id is under 5000 lol), i have a LOT of time in this game, i'm mr 25, but i have long periods of times where i cannot get to my computer, so this is why my account looks like right now (i have another 500+ hours in the game that were before steam integreation or even playtime tracking in-game) i think it's pretty safe to say that i'm part of the demographic you guys are trying to reward for dedication, yet i don't even have a primed fury, or vigor, or any of the fun weapons, my friends have all passed me by and there are a lot of fun melee builds i honestly can't do effectively, it's really frustrating to see mr 13 players running around with primed fury. If i could pay plat or just pay money at this point for them, i would - thats how frustrated i am with the current system.

how can you call this is fair? i love you, DE. but please, stop gating this type of S#&$ behind a horrible reward system that punishes dedicated players and rewards people who don't have jobs or have regular schedules - at least with prime chamber i can WORK for it. and sure, there's something to be said for overkill, you dont "need" any of these rewards, but by that logic you don't need more than 3 frames and 1 weapon set, warframe is a game about collection, and when you've reached the end of the road, collected every single warframe, every single weapon and everysingle mod in the game, all thats left for you to do is sit there and lament how you can't get the things you have wanted for 5 years because of a contrived system

 

Well said. And the kicker is that the scaling changes will disregard your playtime and MR and treat you like a player that just started playing and only has 100 logins. It's nice to get kicked when you are already down, right?

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I have 4k hours total, 245th login on PC, On PS4 and XBOX over 1k+ hours of in-mission time ~320 login Days. Stoped playing Console over a Year ago. it will still take a long a** time to get all the Mods and Weapons the cosmetics i dont care about. Locking Weapons and Mods behind a 2 year login Wall has to go away. The only thing that changes is that you can choose what Item you want first, it doesnt change the time to get all Items.

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Just now, Cephalon_Umbra said:

I have 4k hours total, 245th login on PC, On PS4 and XBOX over 1k+ hours of in-mission time ~320 login Days. Stoped playing Console over a Year ago. it will still take a long a** time to get all the Mods and Weapons the cosmetics i dont care about. Locking Weapons and Mods behind a 2 year login Wall has to go away. The only thing that changes is that you can choose what Item you want first, it doesnt change the time to get all Items.

Even if you were allowed to pick any reward on your 50th login it would still take you over a year to get all the mods and weapons. That's another year of rewards for players that are near/at the login max. If DE adds anything new then everyone will take, at most, 50 logins to get it. That's the most fair system for new and veteran players.

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Double Post fellow tenno :clem:

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it seems no one will be pleased regardless 

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vor 9 Minuten schrieb (PS4)Hiero_Glyph:

Even if you were allowed to pick any reward on your 50th login it would still take you over a year to get all the mods and weapons. That's another year of rewards for players that are near/at the login max. If DE adds anything new then everyone will take, at most, 50 logins to get it. That's the most fair system for new and veteran players.

Every 50th would be kinda ok, but I still think it has to move from login to something else maybe something like complete 50 Alerts to choose a weapon or Login Mod that would give people a reason to do those 300 Ferrite Alerts.

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"2. Weapons and Equipment. Days 100, 300, 500, etc." 100th day...................200 was fine for zeni........................

"PRIMED MODS" Nice going for upsetting a lot of player thanks DE again

it was already broken now u guys breaking old players Thanks :) 

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Paraphrasing many people here: "what do we get for our time and dedication"

The correct answer should be nothing. You're not being paid to play. In fact it costs them money for you to play for which they get increased player counts which is required for an MMO. If the game is a chore and you need incentive to play, then the game should be improved so that it's no longer a chore. The idea of being paid to play is horrid and has led to so many instances of skewed priorities.

Any system that prioritizes loyalty over skill is bad. Any system that relies on rewards to counteract boredom is bad.

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32 minutes ago, Cephalon_Umbra said:

Every 50th would be kinda ok, but I still think it has to move from login to something else maybe something like complete 50 Alerts to choose a weapon or Login Mod that would give people a reason to do those 300 Ferrite Alerts.

Why? 50 logins is already way too long and not everyone is logging in every day so realistically those 50 logins take much longer for an average player. I know some players that are weekend warriors and others that have families and can only play after the kids go to bed but are booked solid on weekends, and the evenings are cut short by sports, the spouse, or the kids being sick. So for most people they miss 1-2 logins per week, and others can only login 2-3 times per week. So the system has to be flexible enough to still reward players that want to play and support Warframe but have limited availability throughout each week.

A perfect login system would let players miss X logins per week and allow them to play for Y hours to earn those back. So if you can only login 4 times this week, you can play for 4 hours to earn 2 of those logins back, putting you at 6 for the week. I mean that would be the most fair way to make logins work since you either reward availability or time spent playing but you cannot exceed 7 logins per week.

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We heard the same arguments from "Veterans™" when old event weapons were being re-released. No one promised that they wouldn't be re-released. No one promised that the login system wouldn't change. The game is still in beta.

But the thing that really kills me is when people threaten to quit over this. So much for "loyalty." Apparently all the new content coming out doesn't matter, as long as they get to have a few toys that they can hug to themselves and it's important that no one else gets to have them.

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5 hours ago, JJames141 said:

So, what am I supposed to do? Not login for seven days until this change goes through? And that still doesn't address the fact that people like me are over 500days behind with no form of catch up in sight when it's getting more and more needed the longer it goes on

needed?

primed mods are for veterans after that extra kick, regular version will sufice, weapons don't change the outcome of your current efficincy in missions and cosmetics are well, cosmetics.

And there is a "catch up" mechanic, all you need is to login in the same way other player have, if we have logged on 1000 times, then so should you, assuming you even want everything, i for example don't need certain login prime rewards and certain sigils make previous sigils rather irrelevant, if you have the same mentality then you probably need less 100 or 200 login to get everything you want.

Now if you trully want everything, including sigils you won't use (because they are needed right) then you must login as much as everyone else, deal with it

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While i dont like this at all you guys still have absolutely terrible rewards with only 1 good weapon and 2 useful primed mods everything else is trash but i hate zenistar now with my overkill greatscythe and warhammer

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1 hour ago, KIREEK said:

Anfd there is a "catch up" mechanic, all you need is to login in the same way other player have, if we have logged on 1000 times, then so should you

I would be willing to login 1000 times, but that's not the argument. The core point of contention is the waiting. You and others are saying, "wait 2 to 3 years, that's what we did". But upon waiting 2-3 years everyone who was 2-3 years ahead is still 2-3 years ahead with new weapons and mods. It's still a tiered system with no catch-up mechanism which is demoralizing for people who want the chance to catch up. I haven't seen a lot of "gimme, gimme, gimme" statements coming from the "catch up" crowd. It's mostly that they want a way to earn the items that doesn't involve waiting longer than the game may even be alive.

For those that didn't start with the new login system (or within 100 days of it) there will always be at least one significant item that they can never get because there will be new items (barring if DE stops making significant rewards). In-before-you mechanics are bad. It's bad enough that founder rewards are unattainable but I get that they have to honor that promise of exclusivity.

This system is just unnecessary. Give Baro the weapons and mods and keep the tribute to evergreen rewards.

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8 hours ago, andrewd084 said:

I think it is obvious to DE, which is why they want to rework it. They've even said in devstreams that they weren't really thinking about what kinds of things they were going to add on day 1000 - it was just a simple reward system when it started out, and it wasn't too bad at day 50, or even 100.

It's pretty obvious to anyone (except maybe the irrationally covetous players who feel "screwed" by someone else getting access to a mod in this non-competitive game?) that this type of system doesn't work once we start getting into years, especially for new and returning players.

I agree completely, but if you read their changes it doesn't actually address this in any way which leads me to believe they have no problem with the system despite the obvious problems. The fact that they're not actually changing the system just letting people pick their rewards speaks volumes about how tone deaf DE can be about certain things. 

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1 hour ago, (PS4)FurryZenJustice said:

This system is just unnecessary. Give Baro the weapons and mods and keep the tribute to evergreen rewards.

In the end this is the only fair option. You let anyone who has earned those rewards keep them, they become tradable under the rules of baro's items (only unranked weapons are tradable/primed mods have a 1 mil credit tax), and Baro adds them in his future rotations.

At that point DE can do whatever they want with the login system as it would not affect player strength or mastery rank. And even the veterans had a long period of exclusivity, just like event rewards so there is no reason to complain.

This also lets DE keep adding rewards for players that hit X,000 logins without making new players feel handicapped. Instead it would be a true badge of honor that only the players that have played every day could attain.

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3 hours ago, KIREEK said:

needed?

primed mods are for veterans after that extra kick, regular version will sufice, weapons don't change the outcome of your current efficincy in missions and cosmetics are well, cosmetics.

And there is a "catch up" mechanic, all you need is to login in the same way other player have, if we have logged on 1000 times, then so should you, assuming you even want everything, i for example don't need certain login prime rewards and certain sigils make previous sigils rather irrelevant, if you have the same mentality then you probably need less 100 or 200 login to get everything you want.

Now if you trully want everything, including sigils you won't use (because they are needed right) then you must login as much as everyone else, deal with it

A. That isn't a catch up mechanic. A catch up mechanic would allow me, and all other players, to constantly close the gap to the current max amount of days logged in rather than constantly being 200, 300, 400 etc days behind the newest reward on the table.

B. I don't care for the sigils, never have and never will. Hell, I wouldn't be annoyed with this system if it was all cosmetics, but it's not. There are mods and weapons, MR, locked behind this system. I personally am missing only Brakk, Zenith and Sigma from weapons to start ranking up, I'm MR23 btw, and yet will have to wait over half a year just to get a single weapon.

So please, stop being an elitest and realise that an attitude like that, and a system like the current login rewards, is far far more damaging for the game than actually fixing it and annoying people who've done nothing but login and log back out again day after day, and expect to be listened to because they never had life get in the way of logging in, or have felt so burnt out they don't want to even launch the game

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why do we need this? don't tell me ppl can't play without a zenistar, or a zenith, or one of the mods? there are hundreds of weapons and thousands of mods, why do they need to catch up with those weapons anyways? i don't care about being a vet or prestige, but those rewards is what reminds me that i've been playing warframe even in the hardest times. But anyways, i know u can't go back now, cause you already announced, you don't screw the new players. But! [DE] you better come up with some REAL and really good endgame to compensate this "screw you vets" daily login...

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19 minutes ago, Ramlethal_SigN said:

why do we need this? don't tell me ppl can't play without a zenistar, or a zenith, or one of the mods? there are hundreds of weapons and thousands of mods, why do they need to catch up with those weapons anyways? i don't care about being a vet or prestige, but those rewards is what reminds me that i've been playing warframe even in the hardest times. But anyways, i know u can't go back now, cause you already announced, you don't screw the new players. But! [DE] you better come up with some REAL and really good endgame to compensate this "screw you vets" daily login...

Veterans were playing for over 2 years before logins were even a thing. And you know what we got for our 'effort' back then? Nothing. Sorry, I don't feel bad for you and I look forward to DE making login rewards better for new players.

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Removal of all Mods and Weapons from Daily Tribute is the only right thing to do now. Add a Alert Token System that let us buy Login Mods and Weapons every Alert completed grants 1 Token, E.g. 75 Token to buy Primed Vigor. That way Players can earn these Items and Common Resource Alerts have a reason to be completed.

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All you new players and vets are a bunch of idiots. You don't see the big picture if they go trough with this you could kiss your zenistar goodbye. De is natorious for nerfing S#&$ the weapon is the main key it what everybody wants. Damn if you can't see it look what they did in the pass weapon and warframes got nerf. Maiming strike, blood rush , weeping wounds all dat bullS#&$ we farm is down drain. All of you are sitting here bickering and *@##$ing like lil schoolgirls you need get your emotion check out. I don't care if you new , in the middle or a vet you are ruining the got damn game for everyone who plays the game.   

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3 minutes ago, (PS4)djefferson061 said:

All you new players and vets are a bunch of idiots. You don't see the big picture if they go trough with this you could kiss your zenistar goodbye. De is natorious for nerfing S#&$ the weapon is the main key it what everybody wants. Damn if you can't see it look what they did in the pass weapon and warframes got nerf. Maiming strike, blood rush , weeping wounds all dat bullS#&$ we farm is down drain. All of you are sitting here bickering and *@##$ing like lil schoolgirls you need get your emotion check out. I don't care if you new , in the middle or a vet you are ruining the got damn game for everyone who plays the game.   

Any system that rewards players with power isn't a fair system. If you were MR 29, and the ONLY thing standing in your way to MR 30 was a weapon locked behind a wait wall, would you find that fair? Maybe you would, since Mastery isn't something really worth while yet. But what if MR 30 unlocked Raids? Or what if MR 30 unlocked the Ceres Open World? When a system with no catch-up rewards players with something another person has to wait for, that system needs to be removed.

 

So what if Zenistar is nerfed? Tonkor was nerfed, and not many complain about that still. We can't keep using Zenistar either. I'm of the mindset that "If Item A exists and is better than Item B, why should I use Item B?", so I know where this comes from. But items come and go constantly, which is a good thing. If Tonkor was still pre-nerf stats, would people use future launchers? Tonkor, as much as I hate the nerf (Well, only the self-damaging part honestly), needed the hit to incentivise use of other weapons.

 

Like with Arcane Helms in alerts, Mods and Weapons should be removed from this system. Daily Tribute should be used for cosmetics, item parts/materials, and such. Leave things that affect gameplay out of this wait wall. Arcane Helms affected builds for the longest time, until we got Arcane Enchantments, so it stands to reason that a Mod or Weapon that affects a build or loadout should be available though normal progression. You can still reward valuable things through milestones, but they shouldn't be gameplay related. Exclusive ship cosmetics, exclusive pet armors, or even alternate artworks of mods. Milestones should be "Hey, look at me and how loyal I am!" not "Hey, look at me and how powerful I am!".

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1 hour ago, JJames141 said:

A. That isn't a catch up mechanic. A catch up mechanic would allow me, and all other players, to constantly close the gap to the current max amount of days logged in rather than constantly being 200, 300, 400 etc days behind the newest reward on the table.

B. I don't care for the sigils, never have and never will. Hell, I wouldn't be annoyed with this system if it was all cosmetics, but it's not. There are mods and weapons, MR, locked behind this system. I personally am missing only Brakk, Zenith and Sigma from weapons to start ranking up, I'm MR23 btw, and yet will have to wait over half a year just to get a single weapon.

So please, stop being an elitest and realise that an attitude like that, and a system like the current login rewards, is far far more damaging for the game than actually fixing it and annoying people who've done nothing but login and log back out again day after day, and expect to be listened to because they never had life get in the way of logging in, or have felt so burnt out they don't want to even launch the game

if you don't care for sigils then you already need less logins to get everything you want

I'm a MR16 player, a dam good one, that's because mastery isn't my goal, for me a player's needs regarding missing exp for MR don't really matter, i understand the concern to some extent, but not the "need" as if the fun is being locked out.

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1 minute ago, KIREEK said:

if you don't care for sigils then you already need less logins to get everything you want

I'm a MR16 player, a dam good one, that's because mastery isn't my goal, for me a player's needs regarding missing exp for MR don't really matter, i understand the concern to some extent, but not the "need" as if the fun is being locked out.

Nope, because I HAVE to take the sigils, I don't get a choice in that matter. As for fun being locked out, well, Sigma and Zenith, from what I've seen, are extremely fun weapons to use, Shred and Fury make weapons even more fun with punch through, fire rate and attack speed, Fury especially when using a Valkyr with War Cry, and that's locked behind 200 days logging in, nearly a full year before someone can get it. If I was starting out right now, I'd be turned back not by the grind, not by the more than slightly confusing beginning mission, but simply by the fact that there is over 3 years worth of content that I'm straight up locked out of, because I only just found this game.

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