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2 minutes ago, Dhrekr said:

That's funny. At the moment, those who are crying out loud are the veterans.

All squealing, coming both from greedy newbies and from stingy veterans, still sounds like squealing.

Remember how some time ago, with ESO, some veterans cried that this was a huge slap in their face and the worse thing to ever happen because now even newbies could have full Focus and all of that? I remember quite a number of "veterans" crying.

After a couple of months, nobody even cares. That's how much it affected the game. Same with the login system.

 

Also, I don't see why you say "even ask for the mythical exc prime" as if that was unthinkable. There has probably been one such thread popping up every week for the last 5 years. "Asking for the mythical exc prime" is basically a Forum must, at this point.

no no no those being upset right now are those who played the game continuously the Q.Q guys are here 

as i know focus is still locked after a time wall (personally i did choose adaro) my concern is will ^^ try to smash that wall next 

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Doesn't really matter how many hours you've played.

Only thing that really matters is if you thought about Warframe every day as the login system was designed to do.

That effort; be it even 5 minutes a day is pushed aside with no real care just as DE pretty much gave away one of the most exclusive items in the game ( Rift Sigil ). It's pretty clear they only care about the new player experience and that will likely never change.

The only difference between the login systems is that new players can get things that other players have put 900+ days into which removes the exclusive value of these items and in the end exclusive items are the only thing that separate a 5+ year players from a first year player in this game. Seeing another player with Rift Sigil means nothing now and any Founder playing Excal Prime over Umbra is just being foolish.

There is nothing in this game any longer that separates veteran from newbie. Esp content.

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Very Very important!

I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in this, and that it also applies to other of varying Mastery Ranks and Daily progress etc. I'm sure what DE is doing with this system is gonna be great or get updated and reworked to look great in future, but like, can it wait like a week? I'm three days away from another primed mod,  and Billy over there is two days away from his first weapon etc etc.

Please DE, if there isn't a way to ensure that people on the cusp of milestones don't get screwed over with the implimentation of new scaling and whatever, absolutely set a big red flashing warning with a clear release date for this change with enough time for all of us to either grab those really close milestones or go into mourning. 👻

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47 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

Seeing another player with Rift Sigil means nothing now

That's funny, it meant nothing to me before either. And if I have things right, that sigil was given out before as well. There was no way to tell who got it the first time around from the second time around. 

 

If someone is trying to rate their enjoyment of things in the game based on some misguided sense of "I have something you don't", then yeah I can see your argument holding merit. If someone is actually looking at how a player plays the game, instead of trying to compare cosmetics..... then not so much. 

56 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

There is nothing in this game any longer that separates veteran from newbie.

Well then, I suppose that means that those veterans aren't particularly good players, because a lot of newbies aren't particularly good. Maybe that's why they focused so much on the 'exclusivity' of the shiny baubles they had? 

 

If it's any consolation I've never actually worn that sigil in a mission, and there were more than a few people who figured Excal prime really wasn't worth the angst that so many people seemed to have, and that was long before Umbra came along. 

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The issue is B.F. Skinner didn't have pigeon rebellion problems so DE has to find other references like Nixon. 

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These changes change nothing at all.
It's still an excessive 50 days to get to each milestone.
It's still a monumental 700 days to get all weapons.
The only change here is the fact that resource rewards scale with mastery, which is irrelevant for anyone actively playing the game, but still a nice addition.

I'd be okay with this if I could choose whatever I'm missing at each milestone, instead of having to pick something I'm not interested in, but I'd still be annoyed at it taking 50 days each.

Elder Scrolls Online has me coming back for daily logins without any complaints. There are about 20 days worth of rewards each month that they change every month. From various junk, to a single unique item in the middle of it and finally loot boxes at the final days. Logging in after getting all rewards and before the next month starts offers nothing, but allows people to catch up.

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2 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

That's funny, it meant nothing to me before either. And if I have things right, that sigil was given out before as well. There was no way to tell who got it the first time around from the second time around.

 

It was given out for the Phoenix Intercept Event in 2015 and once again at less than 1% reward chance in an endlessness Tactical alert event. DE made it a rare item on purpose much like Primed Chamber. So it was very exclusive. Regardless what it mean to you; it was a rare item. very rare. "Enjoyment" is subjective rarity is not and rarity will always have value or purpose in a video game.

Veterans good? What's there to be good at anymore? DE has eliminated any incentive for players to push themselves and ignored veterans numerous times when we ask for more difficult content because as I mentioned. The "New Direction of Warframe" does not have long term players as an interest.

Players didn't care about Excal Prime because it was a tiny increase while Founders should be outright furious over Excal Umbra who can muster over twice the eHP of Excal Prime let alone normal Excal. The most exclusive item in the game, given to players for literally saving this company and supporting them with their money was pushed aside by something any player can get a week from starting.

There is no such thing as " Veteran " in Warframe. If there were; how would you even know? That's my point.

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2 hours ago, (PS4)NachoZissou said:

Big fuss over nothing in my opinion. 

This. 

It is a non issue. 

6 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

There is no such thing as " Veteran " in Warframe. If there were; how would you even know? That's my point.

Six years and 5500 hours and all the content consumed in that time in the game says so. 

Fundamentally, I've never regarded the login reward system as anything but a bonus for doing something I was going to do anyway. 

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I think the problem is that it's a metric that doesn't accurately measure a player's dedication to the game.

A simple hypothetical: A person could log in every day and only play rarely. Another person could play for long periods every few days, but cannot log in daily due to various reasons. Who is more dedicated? It could be argued that both are equivalent. However, due to the arbitrary daily tracker, the first player is deemed more "dedicated". Logging in does not necessarily mean playing.

Many old-timers are in situations like this. They played a lot before the Daily Tribute system was ever implemented. However, since they are maybe not as active now, they are deemed to be less dedicated, by this system.

The proposed changes are an improvement. This is not up for dispute. However, they are so lackluster that they seem totally irrelevant in the wake of the literal years-long gating of items.

I'm personally not hung up about it, but I can see why others would be. As for the exclusivity side, I don't really let such trivial things bother me at my age.

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4 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

"Enjoyment" is subjective rarity is not and rarity will always have value or purpose in a video game.

And what purpose does it serve other than being rare? 

6 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

Veterans good? What's there to be good at anymore?

Ah, well, there you go. 

7 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

Players didn't care about Excal Prime because it was a tiny increase while Founders should be outright furious over Excal Umbra who can muster over twice the eHP of Excal Prime let alone normal Excal.

Ahhhhh but it's soooooo rare. Which I'm told always has a value and purpose in video games. 😁 Can't have it both ways mate, pick a line and stick with it. 

9 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

There is no such thing as " Veteran " in Warframe. If there were; how would you even know? That's my point.

They'd play better than a newb like me. 😅 

But you must be thinking about veterans like the ones who dress up in their old uniforms, put on their old medals, and sit around all day comparing old war stories, and doing little else other than gather dust and mutter about whippersnappers. 

 

And I doubt we'll ever run out of those. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, ArcKnight9202 said:

Many old-timers are in situations like this. They played a lot before the Daily Tribute system was ever implemented. However, since they are maybe not as active now, they are deemed to be less dedicated, by this system.

Emphasis added, because that's a pretty good definition of less dedicated if you think about it. 

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Hello Tenno. This will be my first forum post; something I've not until now ever felt compelled to do.

The recent recurrence of 'veteran drama', this time surrounding the login change that essentially shortens the rewards gap between new and old players, has got me feeling pretty passionate about what it means to be a veteran and what DE 'owes' us. I'm coming from the perspective of a founder who's gotten many years and thousands of hours of enjoyment out of this game. I've slogged through movement and melee 1.0, I've had beloved weapons go from top tier to mastery fodder (RIP Acrid), and I was there when the login system started us all back at 0, with no 'compensation' for the hundreds of days logged in prior.

There exists a VERY STRONG opinion from a vocal minority of veterans that DE should honor its veterans, showing them the 'respect' they deserve for having 'stuck with' the game since the beginning; for having been there to support DE when they needed us the most. They seem to feel that DE should ensure that we are considered in all design decisions so as to not bring us down to the level of the masses; for we need to stand out as veterans and be recognized for our contribution and dedication. You know what that reminds me of? That guy/gal in college who loaned you some money in your desperate time of need, but then lords it over you for years/decades always reminding you of it and saying you owe him/her for everything. Excuse me? No. That only brings animosity, something we definitely don't want DE to feel towards us. Yes, we veterans were there to support DE in its time of need, and yes we gave them money and stuck with them for years as the game transformed from compelling but clunky AF to glistening magnificence. But DE doesn't owe us anything past their only promise which is not to release the founder items for future acquisition. They've stated their eternal gratitude, and that should be enough. That, and this amazing game we get to play and enjoy, knowing that our contribution made it possible. This game IS our reward. The hundreds/thousands of hours of enjoyment we got to experience before new players were here is our reward. Enough of the narcissistic elitism and 'you owe us' BS. I'm just grateful that DE has thrived, and I'm internally proud to have been a part of it.

tl;dr - DE doesn't owe veterans anything other than keeping their promise of not releasing founder items for future acquisition. This amazing game IS our reward and DE has already expressed their gratitude, and that is enough. Enough of the narcissistic elitism and 'you owe us' BS.

Respectfully

A Veteran Tenno

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2 minutes ago, Rhiramas said:

This will be my first forum post; something I've not until now ever felt compelled to do.

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What sorcery is this!

Unfortunately, whilst I appreciate the sentiment of the thread, this is meta-complaining. Meta-complaining is bad.

I wouldn't worry, I'm pretty confident DE aren't actually listening to these people with regards to the log-in rewards as the complaints are so asinine. Well... I hope they aren't.

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5 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

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What sorcery is this!

Unfortunately, whilst I appreciate the sentiment of the thread, this is meta-complaining. Meta-complaining is bad.

I wouldn't worry, I'm pretty confident DE aren't actually listening to these people with regards to the log-in rewards as the complaints are so asinine. Well... I hope they aren't.

4 answers and 1 thread opened.

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Imma guess a lot of people don't use the forums, that doesn't exactly make them any less of a veteran/experience player tho. 

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3 minutes ago, xcenic said:

4 answers and 1 thread opened.

I know, I was just teasing them :wink:

Well, 3 threads opened, recently as well. But whatever, I don't actually think it's magic :tongue:

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you started good

and ended up as fanboy ignoring reality

you kow how much cash DE make worldwide with this game ?

so, please rethink your opinions

i did not reat in that mentioned thread, i stopped doing so since DE started to create a product for the masses to get more cash

im not bad about, because its not my choice what they do, means, they are DE and do a offer

and im a player and can take it, or NOT ^^)

im free to do so, DE is not free to do what they want ...

i would like to see more players with a sense for reality, thats all, and this people are dying out here ...

again, no bad meaning, just a sharing ^^)

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SOLUTION::::::BAD idea all the way around. If you are worried about the login system appearing dated you can supplement an additional brand new reward group to pick from to make the game more current and leave everything else the way it is. The END!

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2 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Emphasis added, because that's a pretty good definition of less dedicated if you think about it. 

So you're telling me that because my father served in Vietnam and my brother served in Iraq that my dad is less dedicated to the US? Be careful what you say about dedication as even if you are not currently able to do as much as you once were, that does not negate your previous effort or make your current dedication any less.

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24 minutes ago, (PS4)Hiero_Glyph said:

So you're telling me that because my father served in Vietnam and my brother served in Iraq that my dad is less dedicated to the US? Be careful what you say about dedication as even if you are not currently able to do as much as you once were, that does not negate your previous effort or make your current dedication any less.

did u just compare warframe dedication with military service and #$@&% Vietnam iyPE5T8.gif

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3 hours ago, Xzorn said:

Veterans good? What's there to be good at anymore? DE has eliminated any incentive for players to push themselves and ignored veterans numerous times when we ask for more difficult content because as I mentioned. The "New Direction of Warframe" does not have long term players as an interest.

Have you seen how much people whine whenever anything even vaguely challenging - or for that matter requiring any semblance of logical thought and forward planning - ever comes up in the game?  See the Sentient fights in Second Dream, the final fight in Chains of Harrow, Lua Spy, Law of Retribution, Design Council Challenge Alerts, hell even original Stalker (not gimp-boi Shadow Stalker) for examples.  Now imagine how much more upset people would get when they run across content so challenging that it actually requires people to have already completed most or all of the game's other content in order to access it.  Yeah.  Warframe's never going to get anything vaguely resembling "endgame", not just because of the core design of the game itself, but because of its playerbase

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3 hours ago, Sloan441 said:

This. 

It is a non issue. 

Six years and 5500 hours and all the content consumed in that time in the game says so. 

Fundamentally, I've never regarded the login reward system as anything but a bonus for doing something I was going to do anyway. 

What have you got to show for all that time and effort though that literally anyone whos played the game for just over a month cannot obtain with some plat and some simple exp grinding?  

Some tiny white unrecognisable sigals for your shoulders?  The only other thing at this point is login rewards because theyve brought back literally everything else already. 

Your 6k hours and 6years play can be nullified in mere months item wise and this doesnt make you sad?  Youre not being taken care of or recognised for how long youve played,  you dont have any exclusive items to show for it from any events, and you can have your looks carbon copied by literally anyone who buys the same things you did because its all up for grabs.  The only cosmetics that cant are the tennocon ones because theyre rereleasing all the prime access ones too

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24 minutes ago, LuckyCharm said:

Your 6k hours and 6years play can be nullified in mere months item wise and this doesnt make you sad?  Youre not being taken care of or recognised for how long youve played

So I guess "having enjoyed the game for years" doesn't count, eh? There needs to be something that makes you personally feel special and valued in a video game. Or I guess, something that lets you stand among a bunch of other people that you can deem as less special than you.

Yeah, dis an epeen issue.

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34 minutes ago, LuckyCharm said:

What have you got to show for all that time and effort though that literally anyone whos played the game for just over a month...

I've got my stuff. What do I care what others do?

They have their game and goals; I have mine. 

I've got six years in the game and I've had a very good time during my tenure. That's all I ask and it's enough. 

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On August 22, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Aleksi134 said:

You dont even understand the system and if you have no criticism of something that means you dont have an opinion at all. Nothing is perfect.

Well after 2200+ hours play time , I'm pretty sure i understand the system , do u ?

Jumping up to seek justice for some youtubers out there who just want some content to make videos about is a bit naive . 

Locking content behind login system is not healthy practice for any game , but seeing DE trying to improve this system and make this content 

more accessible for more players is of course a welcomed change . 

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