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On 2018-09-04 at 4:22 PM, revanatar said:

Unique stuff - the main feature of any reward system. You are not weak without that stuff but it's good(at least it has to be) to own it.

Make nonsense, why the hell weapons and mods? Why not synada or other cosmetic stuf? All gameplay related stuff should be obtainable via playing period.

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3 минуты назад, Keetsune сказал:

Make nonsense, why the hell weapons and mods? Why not synada or other cosmetic stuf? All gameplay related stuff should be obtainable via playing period.

I don't understand why you so angry and why someone needs that mods and weapons so hard? As for me - I almost reached 450 days for now, and all that stuff is gathering dust 99.9% of all time I have it. Will placing it in shop or labs or baro change this? - Nope. I became op or imbalance with it? - Nope. Anything changed when i got them? - Nope. Anyone can get it? - Yep.

So just tell me - why you care about this? What does it change? Why not about usless frames and weapons, not about over9000 bugs and ignored reports, not about updates we waiting too long?

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Not sure if this has been asked yet, but will the other rewards for log in be scaled based on days logged in as well, getting 1 neurodes or a single syndicate medallion is a real feels bad after 1000 days logged in xD

 

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1. Sigils and Resources. Days 50, 150, 250, etc.

2. Weapons and Equipment. Days 100, 300, 500, etc. 

3. Primed Mods. Days 200, 400, 600, etc.

 

this isn't a fx.

a fix would be letting us choise between all 3 every 50 days.

or atlest combining the weapon equipment with primed mods. for every 100 day.

the 3 catagories spread out like this is what caused the outcry in the first place.

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On 9/7/2018 at 5:48 PM, revanatar said:

I don't understand why you so angry and why someone needs that mods and weapons so hard? As for me - I almost reached 450 days for now, and all that stuff is gathering dust 99.9% of all time I have it. Will placing it in shop or labs or baro change this? - Nope. I became op or imbalance with it? - Nope. Anything changed when i got them? - Nope. Anyone can get it? - Yep.

So just tell me - why you care about this? What does it change? Why not about usless frames and weapons, not about over9000 bugs and ignored reports, not about updates we waiting too long?

You do not like it, other people like it, it's useless to you but many builds use these Mods, the weapons are not OPs but there are people who like them and do not care about damage, the problem is, DE is taking content from the game to put This is not good, especially Zenistar one of the few melee weapons with a single effect, one of the few if not the only melee weapon that has something special compared to other weapons of the same gender

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I think the 50 Day System much better, this prevents players who do not want visual items or resources can get + weapons or mods, not only that, players who have spent the respective days of things he wants will have to wait 100 to 200 days (My case, I'm almost 100 days, and I do not want the next weapon, I just want Zenistar (Yes, 100 days, although I played long before the system of days and then resealed the account)

Better still would be if the weapons were exchanged for exclusive versions of the current ones, (Type the Prism weapons) and the base versions were put in the market or in the dojo

Like, "Zenistar" goes to the Dojo and the Daily would have the "Lodestar Zenistar" (or a different name

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As far as I know, none of us actually asked for this system in the first place, but something strange has happened: DE created this system and two groups seem to have emerged: One group said "Okay, it will take me X amount of days to get Y, l'll just keep playing on until I get it." and a second group says "Omg, that is too long to get it. I want it now!" I think most of the people showing such disdain for those of us that have reached the required log-ins already are working under the assumption that we just logged on and got off the game. Nothing could be further from the truth! I'm sure there are some who might have pulled this, but many of us have spent an amazing amount of hours playing Warframe. 

Also, many are using the word "entitled" absolutely wrong. Calling a person who has worked for something or fulfilled the requirements to get something "entitled" is absurd because they've already gotten whatever it is they worked for in the first place. Entitled is wanting something given or handed to you when you haven't worked for it or haven't fulfilled the requirements to get it. That is the context in which this word is used today. I'm sorry to say this, but this is NOT how life works. You don't get to go to the grocery store and pass the ten customers standing in front of you at the register just because you don't feel like waiting. I dare you to try it on Black Friday.  It's just NOT how life works.

Even the argument about the mods and weapons is bogus, because most games require us to play a long time or do XY&Z before you can get this or that weapon. Why do you feel like you should be able to "catch up" to anybody? No one is rolling out the red carpet for those of us that have gotten these log-in rewards already. In fact, we're getting called "entitled" or "elitist" for asking DE why did they require us to do this and are now backpedaling. The more I think about it, the more absurd this whole situation is becoming. I'm sorry Generation Gimme, but real life doesn't allow you to "catch up", it doesn't allow you to skip in the grocery queue and it damn sure doesn't call you a "vet" just because you've been playing it for three months or bought all the "good" stuff in the first three weeks.

 

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@(PS4)supernova_gi You're acting as though there are only two sides here that are diametrically opposite each other and there's no one anywhere in the middle. Most people who say this system and the adjusted one are bad don't mention anything about people being entitled. It's just a bad system. It doesn't reward dedication to the game, it rewards clicking sign in each day. As someone else pointed out, you could literally write a script to open Warframe, log you in each day, and then close the game out.That doesn't show loyalty, or dedication, and logging in each day does nothing to better the community simply by the act of doing so. As long as this thread is I get that you didn't read every post, but even the majority here aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be.

 

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5 часов назад, walter100 сказал:

You do not like it, other people like it, it's useless to you but many builds use these Mods, the weapons are not OPs but there are people who like them and do not care about damage, the problem is, DE is taking content from the game to put This is not good, especially Zenistar one of the few melee weapons with a single effect, one of the few if not the only melee weapon that has something special compared to other weapons of the same gender

So what will replace all the mods and weapons? Visuals? - That's crap. There MUST be something special and not useless. Otherwise tributes will become stupid freebie.
50 days - maybe it's too short.

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4 hours ago, (PS4)supernova_girlie said:

Hermione Signing out.  

Thank you for your well worded response. You said things a whole lot more calmly than I managed.  I would have given you more than the +1 if i could

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ok so the veteran from patch 1 who have reseted account before open beta are screwed? nice

 

 

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1 минуту назад, Tsoe сказал:

ok so the veteran from patch 1 who have reseted account before open beta are screwed? nice

That is DE fault, not the fault of tribute system. They were supposed to take special measures in such cases.

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il y a une heure, revanatar a dit :

That is DE fault, not the fault of tribute system. They were supposed to take special measures in such cases.

i am still waiting ....

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18 hours ago, walter100 said:

I think the 50 Day System much better, this prevents players who do not want visual items or resources can get + weapons or mods, not only that, players who have spent the respective days of things he wants will have to wait 100 to 200 days (My case, I'm almost 100 days, and I do not want the next weapon, I just want Zenistar (Yes, 100 days, although I played long before the system of days and then resealed the account)

Better still would be if the weapons were exchanged for exclusive versions of the current ones, (Type the Prism weapons) and the base versions were put in the market or in the dojo

Like, "Zenistar" goes to the Dojo and the Daily would have the "Lodestar Zenistar" (or a different name

You do realise that would solve nothing.

If the "lodestar zenistar" had anything different about it, there would still be the same 'i want it noe' people complaining about having to wait to get it, and they would still be using the argument that it's cos of the affinity, even though that measly 3k affinity means less and less as we reach towards mr26+

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18 hours ago, True_Naeblis said:

@(PS4)supernova_gi You're acting as though there are only two sides here that are diametrically opposite each other and there's no one anywhere in the middle. Most people who say this system and the adjusted one are bad don't mention anything about people being entitled. It's just a bad system. It doesn't reward dedication to the game, it rewards clicking sign in each day. As someone else pointed out, you could literally write a script to open Warframe, log you in each day, and then close the game out.That doesn't show loyalty, or dedication, and logging in each day does nothing to better the community simply by the act of doing so. As long as this thread is I get that you didn't read every post, but even the majority here aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be.

 

Missing the point. DE created this system and all they asked for was that we log in X amount of days to get Y reward. While I'm sure some people have been doing the log in thing and getting right off the game, most of them probably get back on at another time of the day and play for hours or they can only really play on the weekends, but thing about it is this: even those people weren't too lazy and entitled to just log in instead of whining.

Think of it as an assignment, your teacher tells you to write two sentences about your favorite food and you will get an A for the semester. The teacher is not going to give you an A if you only write one sentence and they're not going to give you an A+ if you write three. It was a simple directive.

Also, there might be, I'm guessing, like 100 idiots on each platform that actually just log in and never actually play the game. It makes no sense for someone to log in beyond 200 days just to get rewards that they will never use or play with in the game. So this argument is bogus in two ways: 1) It's not about how hard or easy it is to log in; it's about the fact that this is what DE required 2) The likelihood of anyone just logging in for the rewards and not actually playing the game has to be extremely low, because why get something you're not going to use? Even if it's someone with a second account it doesn't matter, because they can't trade any of it for plat.

If it was up to me, which it is not, I'd only maybe cut the time requirements in half. This isn't about having something exclusive, it's about the fact that I was a beginner and I was faced with the same daunting challenge, but instead of whining, I just played the game and time just started adding up. It feels like some people think that those of us that are beyond 500 days had it somehow easier, as if we got all the rewards on one day. I've literally logged into Warframe over 850 days and have 4000+ hours played. I didn't skip any lines, my Warframe experience wasn't any less fun or exciting before I got any of the rewards and now that I've gotten most of the "good" rewards, my Warframe experience isn't different, at least, not in any noticeable degree. Heck, Umbral mods have made more of an impact on my Warframe experience than all of the daily tribute mods and weapons combined!

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This doesn't really do it for me tbh. It is an improvement, but.... I've been playing Warframe off and on since 2013, and just hit 350 days login in my next 2 logins. I can't catch up, I'm years away from the mods and weapons, and those are ALL I CARE ABOUT at this point. Consumables every 50 is just a slap in the face that I wasn't logging in all that time.

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23 hours ago, (PS4)supernova_girlie said:

Think of it as an assignment.

 

That's exactly the problem. A game shouldn't be a job, an assignment, a required task day after day for years to achieve BiS items. You should be able to play the game, enjoy it, contribute to the community, and be rewarded for it. Give paths to the items that require actual game play, not simply logging in. Again, you could write a script to do that for you and never spend an hour actually participating in Warframe and have rewards that a player who's put in hundreds of dollars and hours of time each week will not see for years and years to come.

The system works based on logins, so why you call people who log in just for the rewards to accrue and play when they can idiots I don't know. Someone might play for a few weeks after every major content drop, or only after every story update, what have you. Regardless, it's ridiculous that people have to turn logging in regularly into an assignment as you put it just to have the best items.

Lastly and once again: this system is not about rewarding loyalty, it is 100% about keeping DE's daily login numbers as stable as possible between content droughts. If it were about rewarding participation in the game and being a part of the community it would be handled in a different way entirely. The games that I do play pretty much every day also have reward systems with some items given just for logging in and some given for clearing specific content daily. On days that I can't do much I still get something, and on days that I can give more time I'm rewarded even more. If I don't get on each day, I'm not yet another day behind on my path to receiving the best version of a mod, a unique weapon, etc., and I appreciate that some of the most unique non-cosmetic items in the game aren't time gated in a way that does nothing to reward actual participation in the title.

The worst part is this: it's actually incentivizing players who are coming up on 200 or 400 days to bide their time logging in. If they hit 200 or 400 days before the "fix" goes into place they'll have to wait longer than many other players who aren't so close to those milestones and won't hit them before the change is implemented to get one of the more choice mods. Same thing for players coming up on 100 days who could take one of the later weapons over Azima. That's not good design. Players who continue hopping on could actually be worse off for playing than they would be if they took a short break for now.

The bottom line is that the current system is about keeping DE's login numbers inflated and stable rather than rewarding players for being a part of Warframe. If you want to see it otherwise that's fine, but I'm not going to waste energy trying to keep up with such an outdated design. It's part of why I grew tired of Guild Wars 2, and it's doing nothing to give me actual incentive to play Warframe more than here and there. Shame, but I'm not going to feel like I'm chained to my PC by DE just to get rewards literal years down the line.

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On 9/9/2018 at 5:55 AM, revanatar said:

So what will replace all the mods and weapons? Visuals? - That's crap. There MUST be something special and not useless. Otherwise tributes will become stupid freebie.
50 days - maybe it's too short.

The mods have nothing to do, just remove, or trade for visual mods, but this is worse than visual because you would spend a space to put something visual,

Now Variants weapons would be perfect, I liked that weapon for its functionality I buy the base in the market, testo it, if I liked it, I wait X days and I get a stronger version (Only a little stronger, if it would not be another mimimi)

On 9/9/2018 at 6:52 PM, (PS4)dst123daniel said:

You do realise that would solve nothing.

If the "lodestar zenistar" had anything different about it, there would still be the same 'i want it noe' people complaining about having to wait to get it, and they would still be using the argument that it's cos of the affinity, even though that measly 3k affinity means less and less as we reach towards mr26+

Remove the mastery of these weapons, simple, first place, Login awards weapons should not come with mastery, so "Lodestar" weapons would not have mastery, so the staff would only use if it were good.

But I'm talking about Variations. because what irritates me the most is that it does not even have a weapon that works like Zenistar in the market or in the dojo, you have weapons of the same category, but it has unique functions.

But everything would be solved excluding the Login system, this does not match the game, better put a system of daily challenges like Sorties but something personal, giving the player exclusive coins and the player trades for the items

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9 hours ago, True_Naeblis said:

That's exactly the problem. A game shouldn't be a job, an assignment, a required task day after day for years to achieve BiS items. You should be able to play the game, enjoy it, contribute to the community, and be rewarded for it. Give paths to the items that require actual game play, not simply logging in. Again, you could write a script to do that for you and never spend an hour actually participating in Warframe and have rewards that a player who's put in hundreds of dollars and hours of time each week will not see for years and years to come.

The system works based on logins, so why you call people who log in just for the rewards to accrue and play when they can idiots I don't know. Someone might play for a few weeks after every major content drop, or only after every story update, what have you. Regardless, it's ridiculous that people have to turn logging in regularly into an assignment as you put it just to have the best items.

Lastly and once again: this system is not about rewarding loyalty, it is 100% about keeping DE's daily login numbers as stable as possible between content droughts. If it were about rewarding participation in the game and being a part of the community it would be handled in a different way entirely. The games that I do play pretty much every day also have reward systems with some items given just for logging in and some given for clearing specific content daily. On days that I can't do much I still get something, and on days that I can give more time I'm rewarded even more. If I don't get on each day, I'm not yet another day behind on my path to receiving the best version of a mod, a unique weapon, etc., and I appreciate that some of the most unique non-cosmetic items in the game aren't time gated in a way that does nothing to reward actual participation in the title.

The worst part is this: it's actually incentivizing players who are coming up on 200 or 400 days to bide their time logging in. If they hit 200 or 400 days before the "fix" goes into place they'll have to wait longer than many other players who aren't so close to those milestones and won't hit them before the change is implemented to get one of the more choice mods. Same thing for players coming up on 100 days who could take one of the later weapons over Azima. That's not good design. Players who continue hopping on could actually be worse off for playing than they would be if they took a short break for now.

The bottom line is that the current system is about keeping DE's login numbers inflated and stable rather than rewarding players for being a part of Warframe. If you want to see it otherwise that's fine, but I'm not going to waste energy trying to keep up with such an outdated design. It's part of why I grew tired of Guild Wars 2, and it's doing nothing to give me actual incentive to play Warframe more than here and there. Shame, but I'm not going to feel like I'm chained to my PC by DE just to get rewards literal years down the line.

oooo WHY? WHY CAN'T PEOPLE TAKE THEIR TIME AND READ THE POSTS THEY ARE REPLYING TO? WHY? WHY DO I FEEL LIKE I'M TRYING TO CLAP WITH ONE HAND SOMETIMES ON THIS FORUM? WHY? WARUM? Почему? WEISHENME?

I called people that just log in to Warframe to get the rewards that most likely will never actually play Warframe idiots. I stand by that judgment. Just having the log-in rewards is not going to give you magic Tenno dust my homies. Why get something you're not going to use? Also, they;re going to end up deleting Warframe because it's taking up too much space.

I respectfully acknowledged the people that log in during the week and play on weekends. I don't see anything wrong with this, they're fulfilling the requirement to get the dang reward.

Okay, let me get my panties out of the bunch and take a deep breath.

I respect you, my fellow Tenno. My comments are not meant to be personally attacking you. However, I will attack your arguments like a Doberman that hasn't eaten in 30 days! You argued that the log in requirement is like work, yet you argue that you want to be able to work towards getting the log-in. This is a bad argument for anyone that is trying to get the system to change, because they will eventually come back to the bogus argument " You're not actually working for it, you're just pressing a few keys or buttons."  This argument is most detrimental to those that want the system change, because when they belittle the act of logging in, saying it's not real work or that it's easy, then they're admitting that they don't want to do something that is easy.

I'd just like to point out that the whole entire video game is a series of required tasks. Alert comes up for Orokin Catalyst, you're required to complete that mission, that task, to get the Orokin Catalyst.

Warframe is FREE TO PLAY, not Pay to Win, so the amount of dollars anyone has spent should have no bearing on whether or not they have the log-in rewards, which require, as you put it, simply logging in. When you purchase something, you spend money to get it. You got what you payed for. Ninjas be riding for free.

You literally can get on right before work or school and be done in less than 30 seconds. I don't see how this is "chaining" you to your PC.

I don't care WHY DE created this system. It's none of my business. They didn't have to come up with any of these cool rewards at all. They are extras! I'm just saying too many people are looking a gift horse in the mouth. All they require is that we log on X amount of days to get Y reward. It's so simple and so easy, you basically just have to play the game. Why should someone not really playing the game be rewarded? By not really playing, I mean they're going to get on a few times annually, but sit at the barstool daily of another video game.

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I like the fact some of you are competitive in the logins, wanting things sooner than others by delaying logins, yet when it comes to the actual game, being competive, wanting to do more and so on seems to be tossed out the door. When it's personal you want it all, when it comes to showing others what you can do then a let down is the only thing that happens.

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On 2018-09-09 at 8:45 PM, (PS4)supernova_girlie said:

Also, there might be, I'm guessing, like 100 idiots on each platform that actually just log in and never actually play the game.

That is very ignorant to say. It's common for people to take breaks from this game, but continue logging in so that they don't fall behind on the login rewards. These players come back to play eventually, so "rewards that they will never use " is just incorrect.

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1 hour ago, oodalumps said:

That is very ignorant to say. It's common for people to take breaks from this game, but continue logging in so that they don't fall behind on the login rewards. These players come back to play eventually, so "rewards that they will never use " is just incorrect.

Please re-read the statement you quoted and take note of "never actually." What does the word "never" mean to you? If they never play the game why would they just log into it for 1000 days? The unspoken part of this is: People sometimes do stupid stuff like this, thinking I'll get back to it some day, but in reality they never actually get back to it. If you want to defend this sort of inanity, I won't judge, but I don't even care about someone that plays Warframe 5 hours a year, but goes plays some other game 1000 hours a year.

Anyway, this statement came from the strawman argument that some people just log on and don't actually play the game. I say, if they can only play on weekends, but log in during the week, they are in the clear because DE did not say you have to log-in and play X amount hours for Y amount of days to get Z reward. They said log-in for X amount of days to get Y reward. I also say the idiots that barely play 5 hours a year are also in the clear, I just think they're idiots for logging in to get rewards they're most likely never going to use. That's my opinion and if you think that's ignorant, I disagree and am moving on.

Please people bring substance to the table. We need more meat and bones and less needle-in-the-haystack, low-effort, nitpicking and emotion-driven responses. The person that can seriously answer the following question in a way that I currently don't agree, but convinces me otherwise, is GENIUS OF THE MONTH.on the forums:

When I started playing Warframe I, too, had to wait X amount of days to get Y rewards. At the time, I knew I had to wait 400 days to get Primed Vigor. Here I am at 850+ days. Why should it be any different for new Tenno?

P.S. I don't get a say in the final matter. DE reserves the right to yada yada yada ... These are just my opinions, though I would argue that many are based on fact and backed by logic.

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