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I love Warframe and it's the only game I've been playing for the last six months. Games that don't respect my time and how I want to play drive me batty. My partner isn't going to understand or respect the idea that I have to interrupt the show we're watching to log in for this or that. And frankly it's kind of insane to expect that. I have certain times that I can play. And I play a lot, probably to my detriment. Please, please, please respect your player's time more.

If I put in 1,000 hours over 250 logins I kind of feel like I should be at the same place as someone who hit 1,000 hours over 1,000 logins no?

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As much as I hate the fact you're going to be giving your Veteran players who have stuck with you for the longest time the shaft again by letting newer players get the login weapons earlier, I'll admit I'm a little less peeved seeing that you're still going to follow a pattern so these entitled crybabies who want everything earlier without putting in the effort we had to newer players still have to make an effort to login to get everything.

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So, you went and changed the requirements again because the crybabies couldn't accept the consequences of their actions. You need to stop with the "there are no winners, everyone gets a participation trophy" mentality that's causing so many people in these newer generations to feel they're entitled to everything others already put in the work for. Grow a spine, DE, and not just when it's convenient for you (a la that terrible excuse you came up with for keeping the Hema's 5,000 Mutagen Sample requirement).

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DE caved into the whiners again
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Well, you certainly can't argue "fair" because what you are arguing is unfair for new players and/or vets who's majority of their hours were before the implementation of the login system. So you can't use the argument of "fair" or veteran status. Personally, I say they are more login "gifts" rather than rewards.

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Adding complexity without actually addressing a major complaint? Sounds about par for the course.

I dont understand how they dont realize that locking mastery and mods behind a time gate measured in YEARS feels #*!%ing terrible. Even moreso since the Zenistar is actually a decent elemental heavy blade, the S+O is one of the few S&S in the game AND has a unique albeit useless mechanic, and primed shred is a powerful mod. Anything that gives mastery or is a mod needs to be pulled out of the stupid login milestones and replaced with decent cosmetics that someone actually put effort into unlike that 2.5 year syandana that doesnt even have the disk animated. Maybe the milestones could actually give something useful like. IDK. Slots?  more than one catalyst/reactor/forma? Maybe give newbies 1, 3, 5, 10, 20 day milestones that contain some of those items so they get things that would maybe convince them to keep on playing instead of making it really #*!%ing obvious they have to shell out cash for slots after the first 20 or so hours of the game when they have nothing worth any plat to trade and are slot blocked. Maybe for older players who have everything the want, give peculiar mods their own slot and lock those mods behind some of the later login rewards so when players see someone running by spraying flowers everywhere they will recognize that player dumped a ton of time into the game. Although I wouldnt be surprised if DE abandoned those and forgot their existence completely. And stop with the goddam sigils. I for one really dont need another obnoxious overly detailed circular sigil that all look the same once I put it on a warframe if i can see it at all.

As for regular drops. Would it kill DE to add things that actually feel good to get like exclusive ayatan statues, exclusive ayatan star decorations, untradable vaulted relics or refined relics or a few rolls worth of kuva or ship decos and actually give a semi-decent chance of getting them? There are so many interesting things that could have been done like: "player will start every mission with a random void fissure buff for the next 3 hours" or "mod capacity of all equipment increased to 60 for the next 3 hours" or "the ____ focus tree is fully unlocked for the next ____ hours". Then there are the drops that are outright insulting to get like the 50 cryotic and 2 fieldron/detonite/mutagen samples. I have no idea why they werent axed.

Idk. This communication is more talking at the playerbase instead of actually listening. Nothing has actually been solved other than players now being able to grab the objectively "best" milestones a little earlier. Most normal drops dont feel good to get even if someone is able to get the 3x bonus. (Its honestly laughable that DE thinks 300 endo is going to make any sort of difference to a 1000 day player who can steamroll any material farm node and thats if they get the endo at all.) The choice system has potential but as usual the execution falls short. Not impressed.

 

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So with the current pattern, it will take 1200 days to get the weapons, syandana and armor. During that time there will be at least 2 repeat Primed mods, provided you don’t make more.

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I think DE has made the right decision before it’s too late. It is a flawed system no questions about that. Although they just left it carry on like that for 1,000 days and what choice did the fans have back then? 

Both sides will complain if they fix it or not. If they don’t change the system those people who are joining Warframe after 2,000 days or veterans who are coming back after long break will keep complaining about this ‘permanently inferior’ status and they’re getting bigger and bigger everyday.

On the other hand, let’s be honest, those fans who have been logging in for 1,000 days are royally screwed. I feel your pain as much as I hate login elitists I’ve met.

It’s just that you are on the losing side but the decision had to be made at some point. I admit your complaints are all valid points and they have been culminating for years now. Let’s admit both sides are correct. We can agree to disagree. It looks like they are screwing you over in favor of new players but in the end we’re on the same boat, we all lift together. Let’s not fight over this login system. It’s not something that’s truly important. 

You have every right to be angry and needs a pat in the back. 1,000 days isn’t some joke. And this time you guys need some kind of makeup for this sacrifice. This time it’s for real. It’s time to give veterans proper exclusive high level contents to play. A ‘Proper’ one not some alerts. It could be the start of that trend. A proper veteran contents.

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Having read this a few times, and some concerns people have brought up, I'm still not convinced that the changes being made are justifiably different from the current system to matter.

Things I like Include:

  • Choices, I like to make choices and don't like knowing that the Sigma and Octantis is 700 days away.
  • Still a big fan of a running counter instead of force login daily
  • The ability to get things that are mission critical from just logging in

Things I don't like:

  • At MR 20+, 300 endo doesn't seem to be all that worth it, given we're looking at Prime and Riven mods (and u mods) that take upwards of 200k endo. I think the scaling on that might need to be a bit more aggressive. 
  • No mention of other values being increased. Currently, logging in to find 10k credits is not worth it past MR10. At this point, you could get double that for running starchart, or even more than that for running the Index for 15 minutes. I would also like to see other hard-to-acquire resources added to that, such as oxium.

I understand what the goal of this is, but I'm not confident that these changes are really substantial to justify a new login system. Theres a lot in this game that is very easy to look at and say  "Oh, I'll never get that." Especially if you're a new player. I think the login reward exemplifies that in that everything is so far away and unfortunately most of my friends do not have the time or addiction to the game that I have, leading many of them to feel like there's no point in pursuing things.

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12 minutes ago, (PS4)FurryZenJustice said:

I love Warframe and it's the only game I've been playing for the last six months. Games that don't respect my time and how I want to play drive me batty. My partner isn't going to understand or respect the idea that I have to interrupt the show we're watching to log in for this or that. And frankly it's kind of insane to expect that. I have certain times that I can play. And I play a lot, probably to my detriment. Please, please, please respect your player's time more.

If I put in 1,000 hours over 250 logins I kind of feel like I should be at the same place as someone who hit 1,000 hours over 1,000 logins no?

Actually, no. Just because one person can only put in 1 hour a day for about 3 years, doesn’t make them any less than someone who put in 4 hours for less than 1 year.

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8 minutes ago, ADirtyMonk said:

I dont understand how they dont realize that locking mastery and mods behind a time gate measured in YEARS feels #*!%ing terrible.

To be honest, i don't understand why players can't get that mastery is nearly pointless and that most old players have been doing amazing for years before primed mods were introduced.

I don't understand either how players are ok with having "mastery and mods" locked behind timewalls set in the past but not with stuff that can at least be obtained eventually with no other investment or effort than checking the game for 2 minutes at least once every 24 hours.

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I'm not happy i'm so close to my zenistar Need like 40 days...
This S...K Why change the Zenistar 300 day to 400 day.... is 100 days extra?????

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Why change Weapon and Prime mod order? 50 days till my Zenista now it's 150 days, thank you

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So we're going from 700 days to obtain all of the weapons and 900 days to obtain all of the primed mods to 800 days to obtain all the weapons and 700 days to obtain all of the primed mods?

related note: Weapons and equpiment are every 200 days? Well, there are 4 weapons (azima, zenistar, zenith, and sigma & octanis) and 2 equipment options (syandana + upcoming armor set). Doesn't that push it to 1200 days?

The meager Endo increase is fine since that's just a small perk to have. Being able to choose the reward you want is a nice touch as well. I can't help but feel like the net change from this "rework" doesn't really change the system enough to address the concerns and feedback provided over the past 1000 days.

Why is DE sticking to this raw tally system at all? Why not explore a weekly login system or a monthly reward track like many other games have implemented? They achieve the same goals of retention and are often paired with an incentive to play.

I imagine a system which rewards players with random trivial but still beneficial daily rewards like Endo/Credits/small resource packs and then every 7 days (or a specified day of the week) they get a Relic Pack with a chance of any quality aside from Radiant. Not only would it encourage them to log in for the reward, but it would incentivize them to actually engage and play.

This current system is still just a a login check with nothing else to it. It feels like the idea was copied because they saw other games doing it without understanding why they did it. I mean, unless the goal is to just brag about a hollow daily unique user count without substantiating it with anything else like play time / conversion rates helps somehow?

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Thanks for the information! I definitely think this is a step in the right direction, but I am disappointed to hear that we won't be able to elect to get a weapon in place of a primed mod or vice-versa. Newer players might want to focus on acquiring all the interesting weapons, or focus instead on getting the best mods.

Since the riven packs are becoming evergreen, will we see more sigils to replace the current spots in the rotation held by the 3x riven mods at the moment?

I'm interested to see what the new types of rewards beyond 1k logins will be. Keep up the good work!

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Isn't it time to stop with these daily logins? If someone starts playing right now they will need to wait 3 years just to get the lodestar armor set. And as the game goes on he will effectivelly NEVER be able to get the rewards. Its almost like a Ponzi Scheme. It's not that daily login reward milestones should never exist or be removed, its just that there needs to be a limit to it...

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12 minutes ago, TheFatDrake said:

Actually, no. Just because one person can only put in 1 hour a day for about 3 years, doesn’t make them any less than someone who put in 4 hours for less than 1 year.

Isn't this hipster logic. I was there first, so even though our time investment has been the same, the less dedicated (time-wise) player who happened to play the game earlier should be ahead?

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More Evergreen in my yard? Smells like Legendary Fusion Cores and Primed Chamber 😅

@[DE]Rebecca Can we get a stats workshop pls. I need more of this in my life at all hours.

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This login system rework still sucks for newer players. They should have just made it that every 50 days you can pick one reward you want from those. Thus making weapons not so bad to get for people that want them. It'd still take forever to get them but at least it wouldn't be as bad. Timegating weapons and primed mods is not very good. That's from someone who is hitting that lodestar armor set 1k login milestone in round 13 days.

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For me I'm not upset at all that it takes so long to get a lot of the rewards. Once I put in the time in, it's a nice thank you for being dedicated to the game & a way to set myself apart from other players. So many other games have exclusive items for the players who have been playing a long time or were around for specific events & these items are a point of pride when you have them. Why can't warfare have the same exclusivity of items? It's not a bad thing to have to wait a long time for an item if it gives the item some meaning. 

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3 minutes ago, TGDM said:

So we're going from 700 days to obtain all of the weapons and 900 days to obtain all of the primed mods to 800 days to obtain all the weapons and 700 days to obtain all of the primed mods?

related note: Weapons and equpiment are every 200 days? Well, there are 4 weapons (azima, zenistar, zenith, and sigma & octanis) and 2 equipment options (syandana + upcoming armor set). Doesn't that push it to 1200 days?

I didn't notice until you pointed it out, but it appears they switched the mod and equipment milestones. Previously, the [100, 300, 500, ...] set was the weapons and the [200, 400, 600, ...] set was the primed mods. I feel like this should be consistent with the current system.

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I'm close to Sigma & Octanis at day 700. If this launch when I'm at 2 days away to get it, will I have to login again another 200 days to get it?

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il y a 5 minutes, ChaosSabre a dit :

This login system rework still sucks for newer players. They should have just made it that every 50 days you can pick one reward you want from those. Thus making weapons not so bad to get for people that want them. It'd still take forever to get them but at least it wouldn't be as bad. Timegating weapons and primed mods is not very good. That's from someone who is hitting that lodestar armor set 1k login milestone in round 13 days.

Totally agree with you!

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I really like the changes but, please let us claim our daily tribute off of the Warframe app, that would make it so people with more busy lives or people who travel a lot for their jobs be able to get the rewards still. 

You could set a limit to how many times people can use the mobile app to claim before having to login on a computer again.(A week maybe?)

That is my only extra request for the changes

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Gonna throw in my two cents,

While being able to choose which items you want first is a much appreciated improvement, it still doesn't solve the problem of needing to log in for 3+ years to get everything, and as the front runners of the login system keep pushing those high numbers, DE will continue releasing further items to get through logins, and new players are going to be helplessly behind.

I would personally like to see a catch up mechanic added to daily logins(eg, skip alot of the non-milestone days), so new players aren't permanently 3 years behind the content ball. Would need balancing, but at its base it seems like a fair trade-off given you wouldn't get the login rewards for those skipped days. (rare resources, weapon bps, boosters, plat discounts(lots of good stuff you'd be missing out on, but it would be worth it to some.))

I also want to give a special mention to the swapping of the mods with the weapons, i'm not sure why this change was made, but it seems to be upsetting many-a-players. Just keep the weapon on uneven hundreds and mods on even hundreds.

EDIT: swapped milestones fixed, still doesn't address the overarching problem however.

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WTF!!! I am 280 days!!! I am counting days to get my Zenistar and now THIS !!! WTF!!! =_=

 

Please someone tell me that I wont have to log more 100 days to get that @!#$!@ Zenistar!?

 

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