Jump to content
Dante Unbound: Share Bug Reports and Feedback Here! ×

Elite Onslaught is Pointless Boredom Because of Saryn


ActionPoohole
 Share

Recommended Posts

7 minutes ago, Kotsender_Quasimir said:

Agreed. I seriously don't even really know much about their design despite having slayn buttloads because as soon as they start doing anything i go into operator mode and sit it out while being completely invincible. It's quite literally the solution to everything those "colossal" enemies might be throwing at us. In the end it's still only about cramping as much as possible into a single night cycle for max looting. How epic an encounter indeed.

Edit: Bottom line: There is a "win button" for everything in this game, be it spores or perma-invisibility or you name it... It really seems to be one ongoing concept of this game.

Yes, win buttons everywhere... I honestly think a lot of this has come from the console generation. 😕 PC games have been affected like this for ages. But then again, even console games used to be harder! So maybe it's a generational thing. The things that people say are hard after failing a couple of times! It's just absolutely ridiculous. Old games were literally all about failing hard and brutally, till that one day on that perfect run you might get half way through the game... or even, almost impossibly: to the end. Now I'm not saying that Warframe needs to brutalise people like the old Sega Classics, but just SOME sort of challenge would be nice, because this game is even easy for even the most inept of players, which is a bit sad.

I really don't see why this game can't cater to both.

Warframe allowed everyone to play, yet more avid raiders could do the hardcore content and get extra and better loot. Why is everyone rewarded the same in this game? It's all about time invested and not actual challenges overcome.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, ActionPoohole said:

I'm pretty sure everyone realises what the point of the game is and everyone has their own opinion of what it is and what it should be.

However; if YOUR journey is always about the loot then you are basically left with nothing but a whole bunch of loot to do nothing with. No sense of achievement of overcoming anything except for time spent. I always thought that games were there to challenge people and provide entertainment.

But to get only loot? Are you just Scrooge McDucking it? I guess you enjoy swimming around in your mod collection because that what it sounds like.

I'm pretty sure that's what you're saying by logical deduction of your words.

Not really no, I tend to target one thing at a time and if it happens to be something I get from an endless mission and Saryns happen to show up then I'm not going to get upset about it and try to demand fundamental changes to the game. 

I get plenty of chances to take centre stage and carry the team as I'll give any mission with any group of randoms a fair go. The standalone hero portion of the game is regularly filled for me. If I want kuva and a Saryn nets me a load of it in a survival without me giving myself carpal tunnel syndrome then I'm fine with that. 

Edited by (PS4)NachoZissou
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, (PS4)CoolD2108 said:

Semi afk? How even?

Perception aside, did you play saryn recently? There's just no way to afk her and still participate as is.

Lets not get into semantics here, you know exactly what I'm saying (I should hope). A Saryn can stand in the middle of an area and make a damn hissing noise and everything dies. That is what I mean. I'm not saying they can walk away from their computer, it's an exaggeration for the point at hand. They don't need to do very much at all in order to wipe the entire surrounding area of enemies.

That is the point.

What fun is left for everyone else when they didn't get to partake in that? What are guns for? I don't see how that is fun. Maybe for some? Maybe so, for those around? Only for the lazy who want to AFK and do nothing while they Saryn does everything while being almost as active as a sloth.

6 minutes ago, Azrayle said:

IF your teammates play along nicely you can "afk" with saryn. IF your teammates dont like this playstyle they should stop shooting at targets "they dont see"... get the problem? 

oh the salt is get for this...

You're just helping to further prove my point about how toxic Saryn is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

To get things clear: I dont like the new Saryn either. Shes WAY to strong with practicly every setup you could even imagine (this is why I only play her Solo cause I know that she ruins every bit of Fun). But to say that she needs a nerf, practicly every wf ability changed,Broken basic mechanics that are there since ages (armor scaling etc) change etc etc etc. is hilarious. DE already showed that they have NO plans and no intentiones to even remotely fix the most gamebreaking bugs/mechancis. Better put Framefighter in there along with a few more Bugs to keep the player busy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, (PS4)NachoZissou said:

Not really no, I tend to target one thing at a time and if it happens to be something I get from an endless mission and Saryn's happen to show up then I'm not going to get upset about it and try to demand fundamental changes to the game. 

I get plenty of chances to take centre stage and carry the team as I'll give any mission with any group of randoms a fair go. The standalone hero portion of the game is regularly filled for me. If I want kuva and a Saryn nets me a load of it in a survival without me giving myself carpal tunnel syndrome then I'm fine with that. 

Well our views clash to the extreme and I honestly see no point in an argument or discussion about your evasion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Azrayle said:

To get things clear: I dont like the new Saryn either. Shes WAY to strong with practicly every setup you could even imagine (this is why I only play her Solo cause I know that she ruins every bit of Fun). But to say that she needs a nerf, practicly every wf ability changed,Broken basic mechanics that are there since ages (armor scaling etc) change etc etc etc. is hilarious. DE already showed that they have NO plans and no intentiones to even remotely fix the most gamebreaking bugs/mechancis. Better put Framefighter in there along with a few more Bugs to keep the player busy.

So you can't discuss a topic properly because you think something is far fetched? Well it will be with that attitude. Coming on and instantly trolling a subject doesn't show much for your maturity or care for quality communication.

If you want to act poorly on here, go ahead.

Edited by ActionPoohole
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, ActionPoohole said:

Well our views clash to the extreme and I honestly see no point in an argument or discussion about your evasion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

Clearly it was part of a wider point about how sometimes it's nice to have it easy because the rest of the time you have to do it all yourself. I don't actually have CTS.

If Saryns were showing up over 50% of the time and I wasn't able to play my own game and be effective then you'd have a point. However they aren't, I am and you don't. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, ActionPoohole said:

 They don't need to do very much at all in order to wipe the entire surrounding area of enemies.

 

One of the reasons she’s so meta in ESO. She don’t care how high the enemy’s level is, she would be constantly killing rooms no problem.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You want me to discuss the Topic? Fine:

I agree with (almost) everything you wrote on Page 1 only with point 2 I have some problems with. Some Abilitys need even more Range but I dont wanna point out wich and how. Pretty much everything you pointed out are SERIOUS problems of Warframe that just keep getting worse and worse, and your suggestions are really nice.

BUT  no one (from DE) will look at this and say: Guys! this is it this could make our game better and (at least for now) stop powercreeping and whining players. 

I personally enjoy Spy missions, and sometimes run them if im bored. I also love survival missions (i really like them, they are by far my favorite gamemode) But im also the type thats ok with Archwing 😄

I just cant say enough that the problems you showed on your initial post are Serious and need to be adressed. But im sure we will see nothing of all this SOON™.

even if we make 1000 of these posts.

Edited by Azrayle
edit
Link to comment
Share on other sites

39 minutes ago, ActionPoohole said:

Lets not get into semantics here, you know exactly what I'm saying (I should hope). A Saryn can stand in the middle of an area and make a damn hissing noise and everything dies. That is what I mean. I'm not saying they can walk away from their computer, it's an exaggeration for the point at hand. They don't need to do very much at all in order to wipe the entire surrounding area of enemies.

That is the point.

What fun is left for everyone else when they didn't get to partake in that? What are guns for? I don't see how that is fun. Maybe for some? Maybe so, for those around? Only for the lazy who want to AFK and do nothing while they Saryn does everything while being almost as active as a sloth.

You're just helping to further prove my point about how toxic Saryn is.

Have you played her? Last time I tried played her in endless in to the 40 minute range I was a long way from killing everything with 1 cast. First it's nearly impossible too keep your toxin stacks between waves. So every wave you have to start from 0 again. In most cases I found just shooting down the enemies kills faster then waiting for spores to build up, and wait for them to kill unless your talking about under level 40 guys.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, (XB1)GhostofaMessiah said:

Everyone that says saryn is overpowered isn't playing on a damage frame.

Everyone who says the game is too easy, isn't staying long enough before they extract.

Why do so many people have an issue with "kill hogs"? 

I don't understand it. It's a co-op game.

When did winning stop being the objective?

 

Exactly. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, (XB1)GhostofaMessiah said:

Everyone that says saryn is overpowered isn't playing on a damage frame.

Everyone who says the game is too easy, isn't staying long enough before they extract.

Why do so many people have an issue with "kill hogs"? 

I don't understand it. It's a co-op game.

When did winning stop being the objective?

 

Because it's not fun when you all the enemies are killed and you don't have a chance to do anything. And she's too powerful compared to other Warframes too. Nuking the entire map just by pressing one button just isn't fair, it's stupid and needs to be changed. It's not about winning, it's about having fun. And, on a co-op game, there shouldn't be someone doing most of the work with a easy button press while the others don't have a chance to do anything.

Edited by Caliboom
Link to comment
Share on other sites

vor 2 Minuten schrieb (XB1)GhostofaMessiah:

I don't understand it. It's a co-op game.

When did winning stop being the objective?

It stopped right the seconds where frames got introduced that could do certain things better than some others. 

Some that had more power than others or where more specialised.

This is our time / our generation. Co-op isnt about winning its about beeing better than other players in a pve game. And everything thats better than them need to be nerfed.

I hate that too and it scares me to see this happening but its true 😄

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Caliboom said:

Because it's not fun when you all the enemies are killed and you don't have a chance to do anything. And she's too powerful compared to other Warframes too. Nuking the entire map just by pressing one button just isn't fair, it's stupid and needs to be changed. It's not about winning, it's about having fun. And, on a co-op game, there shouldn't be someone doing most of the work with a easy button press while the others don't have a chance to do anything.

She is not. I can any of my damage frame and compete with anyone's saryn. The fact also being that she will actually help me do more damage with her corrosive procs. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, (XB1)GhostofaMessiah said:

She is not. I can any of my damage frame and compete with anyone's saryn. The fact also being that she will actually help me do more damage with her corrosive procs. 

If you're able to compete, you're either playing Mesa or are just playing with a bad Saryn. There's no other "damage frame" that can compete with her.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Azrayle said:

It stopped right the seconds where frames got introduced that could do certain things better than some others. 

Some that had more power than others or where more specialised.

This is our time / our generation. Co-op isnt about winning its about beeing better than other players in a pve game. And everything thats better than them need to be nerfed.

I hate that too and it scares me to see this happening but its true 😄

New frames will always be better. Old frames will always need a rework. But these kids crying "Nerf it please!" That's a step in the wrong direction.

I want higher level content with more enemies. This is how we get there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Caliboom said:

If you're able to compete, you're either playing Mesa or are just playing with a bad Saryn. There's no other "damage frame" that can compete with her.

Volt. Oberon. Banshee. Excalibur. Ember. Ash. Octavia. Titania. Yes I said Titania. And absolutely Mesa. 

Forgot mirage and Mag. 

Edited by (XB1)GhostofaMessiah
Forgot mirage and Mag.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, (XB1)GhostofaMessiah said:

Volt. Oberon. Banshee. Excalibur. Ember. Ash. Octavia. Titania. Yes I said Titania. And absolutely Mesa. 

Most of these Warframes actually require effort to get their kills. Yet they can't do a better job at killing than Saryn. As I said, she nukes the entire map with 1 button, even killing enemies she can't see. And her scaling is ridiculous, killing level 100+ enemies as well. 

Edited by Caliboom
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, (XB1)GhostofaMessiah said:

Volt. Oberon. Banshee. Excalibur. Ember. Ash. Octavia. Titania. Yes I said Titania. And absolutely Mesa. 

Yeah also to increase her damage she needs infected to stay alive. If you actually go and kill everyone thats still standing after initial cast she looses alot of killing power between the waves.  If you are killing the enemies before they get infected your also depriving her of infection victims she vitally needs to get her spores the damage they need to amp up her damage.

Edited by Andaius
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, (XB1)GhostofaMessiah said:

Volt. Octavia. Titania. Yes I said Titania. And absolutely Mesa. 

Forgot mirage and Mag. 

Using frames that relies more on LOS or targeting Enemies except for Volt. But Volt's damage slows down on Armor while Saryn requires less LOS and Effort.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...