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I just wish I could say that meme without getting banned.

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Considering it's my fetish I'd hardly say I'm bashing it.

 

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Just now, ChipsLight said:

Also I love how Warding Halo's new AoE effect and invincibility when it runs out is basically shield gating. I thought that you guys said that wasn't possible ? ūü§Ē

Its more complicated than that honestly. They can't give a huge  invuln period to shields when they break due to their auto recharge and shield restoring abilities. Normal shield gating is just gating 1 instance of damage and well in warframe that's often not the case.

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1 minute ago, (PS4)TwilightGrim said:

its low enough that it would seems fine too, but high enough to stick with (as a dev stand point may see it)

The arcane energize+guardian cheese is about to get real

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@[DE]Connor

 

I'm glade that some the changes I suggested have been taken into account but here are some other ideas that I feel would make Nezha better.

1st ability:

·      (Synergy) depending on the damage done to enemies affected by the 1st ability, it will increase the damage of the 2nd ability.

.       Increase width of the flames to 2m

.       Increase flame duration from 10 to 15 seconds

 

2nd ability:

·       When enemy affected explodes, the flames will spread onto enemies in a 10m radius.

.       Make fire spread duration 10 seconds.

.       DON`T make charge duration too long like Vauban, hydroid, ember`s charges or make it a double click mechanic.

.       Make it be able to cast while on the move to make him more versatile.

3rd ability fix:

·      IMPORTANT. Make the ring go over his head and under his feet instead of through it (PLEASE FIX!)

.       Make the aoe stun range 12 meters

 

4th ability:

¬∑ ¬† ¬† ¬† Enemies affected will be set on fire doing damage overtime.ÔĽŅ ÔĽŅ

Extras:

Fire damage buff: The longer fire is on enemies the more it stacks up. This will make fire damage more useful in the game and it will buff warframe that have fire abilities.

Future Nezha prime: When design Nezha make the chakram on his back smaller or a flaming see-through hologram.

I have put up a post giving feedback on warframe that can be made better with a re-work, re-visit, or some small changes. Take a look. 

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1000375-warframe-changes-that-will-make-them-better-and-useful/?tab=comments#comment-10127565

 

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after my first double credit index gets done i'm gonna start re-building since these changes look absolutely tasty, though I am a bit salty Nezha gets an energy orb drop mechanic since that is something I wanted on Oberon's 1 if enemies were killed by it on his 2 but *handwaggle.*

 

Nezha looking good with a lot of much-needed quality of life. 

 

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As a nezha player i really love it

 

But will we keep the explosion synergie launching chakram while fire walking?

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1 hour ago, Zyneris said:

[DE]Pablo pliss fix Revenant and rework Wukong ‚̧ԳŹ

Excited for Nezha though, I'd like to play the frame more.

That's a totally useless statement to say on its own; nothing's really that wrong with Revenant.

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look i'm willing to give the warding halo the benefit of the doubt here, although if you ever do something similar to rhino you best think about removing the "do x riven challenge without taking damage" thing.

But i absolutely beg of you above all else please please PLEASE, DO NOT make the first ability duration based. PLEASE! This feels like a massive step backwards to me. It'd be like if wukong's cloud was a channeled ability like it probably should be, and it just got arbitrarily changed to what it is currently, which people hate.

At the very least leave fire walker like it is now and let people mess with rage/hunter's adrenaline first before changing it. I'm not going to disagree that new nezha might have energy issues if fire walker was still a channeled ability, but with warding halo being damage reduction and not a shield if you have one of those mods you might not have energy issues. 

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just no... or add warding halo augment to basic power, and with 100% efficiency and not 50% and put this nerf on rhino's iron skin also
and boost warding halo health scaling with power strg and armor, lvl 40 destroy it with only 4 bullets

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Since this is actually going to be quite a meh rework at best I thought it would be good to explain a few points 

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Increasing Nezha’s power overall by giving him added team support value and internal synergies

While the QOL changes for his 1 and 2 are quite nice, and my only major concern with these is if his fire trail duration will be shorter overall (you can get quite a bit of passive CC going with his 1 if you run around fast enough) His nerfed 3 will sadly have me retire him from use in it's current state.

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Warding Halo now only blocks 90% of damage taken. Will still block status effects and other procs.

Now this is not such a major nerf that it would warrant me calling this frame dead, It would still be quite useful if not for the ring STILL having HP on top of this, and quite a small pool at that. 90% DR for 1000 damage is laughable even at mid star chart levels, and indeed it would seem that the utility that the team would get from his 3 before this nerf is all but gone with it. The reason given gave me quite the laugh

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In this context, Warding Halo’s 100% damage resistance was completely overshadowing his other options - why heal or CC when I never take any damage?

  • Because his heal is bad
  • Because his CC is mediocre at best
  • The damage his ring could absorb was still very small once you start going past level 80 or so, It might give you a shot or 2 extra of survivability¬†
  • Being able to save the entire team from a small mistake was at least in some part useful when going for longer runs¬†

There is no "healing" in the higher levels, everything will oneshot you and CC is king

In lower level content his 3 would make you basically unkillable, but the same could be said for ANY frame that could disarm or give damage resistance.

Why not just nerf bless so it only takes 400 damage before stopping? (this is not a suggestion btw)

His other abilities are mostly fine except for

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Killing enemies while they are marked will now produce healing orbs, instead of the current healing pulse

While this is actually quite nice for nezha himself, this nerfs the healing potential of the ring by about 10X. I would suggest keeping the pulse and the health orbs as a bonus.

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DIVINE SPEARS

Sped up the casting/slamming animations, while removing the mandatory slam at the end of the Spears’ duration. (slam can still be triggered manually)

Hitting a speared enemy with Blazing Chakram produces a second Chakram, which fires at a nearby enemy.

Quite a good QOL change overall, although the ability itself is still going to be worthless in the void with ancients around.

 

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Divine spears should be a one handed cast on the slam. Also can it cause a heat proc when firewalker is active? Or cause a circle of fore based on divine spears range?

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Il y a 2 heures, [DE]Connor a dit :

If you doubt just how potent 90% damage resistance can be, try out Gara’s Splinter Storm at 130% or more power strength!)

and yeah... but splinter Storm can stay like what... 1 minute without getting reckted, and with the augment and aura slot you regen 3 + 3 (power str multiplier)
with the warding halo change.... you can have 20k health shield, but with the ennemie's lvl, he doesn't stay 1 minute like gara's #*!%ing splinter storm.
with this change, gara are gonna be the best warframe in the game for tankiness
If you doing that, gara will only be pick, and nezha will be put in trash of many player
change gara augment, change health and armor scaling, boost warding halo base health, i only ask this, because 2k shield with 90% damage reduction without any base health regen like mindless gara augment, nezha will only be the worst tank in the game

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4 minutes ago, SasoDuck said:

That's a totally useless statement to say on its own; nothing's really that wrong with Revenant.

Common knowledge, but Thralls is just completely flawed. I'm practically beating a dead horse.

Mesmer Skin's still quite broken; too many things pierce it. The Amesha's 1st, Watchful Swarm, is literally everything Mesmer Skin wants to be; it blocks all damage, from self damage to procs and possibly everything else that couldn't be tested outright.

Reave is quite useless because its 40% efficacy, both for its damage to enemies and health/shields restored, is only when you pass through Thralls. Otherwise it's 8%, and that's all it does, too. It doesn't even restore shields unless you hit a shielded enemy. At best it's a movement tool when Danse-ing, but otherwise there's no real point or incentive to use it.

Danse Macabre's great and all, but a 20/40 e/s channeled cost for an ability that can't even truly aim or at least change its angle from slightly below waist level and downward is not all that justifiable. I don't even really oppose the huge cost since I run max efficiency as standard anyway, but I still know it needs something to balance that cost.

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guys,guys. Lest wait for this to be released.

Lest put this new thing on test and then we can give feedback.

SO far seen interesting. 

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Overall sounds nice, but 90% reduction is... too usual now? Maybe 95% instead? It'll make a difference and he'll do better as a tank while still making use of hp orbs and other kit.

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How will blazing chalkrams augment work if you can charge the ability to do basically what the augment currently does?

 

Otherwise, nice changes Pablo! Especially love the firewalker change, considering I build for the passive.

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I'm not on my phone but imagine I put that hand emoji giving the okay sign, because these changes sound PRETTY OKAY.

That 90% damage reduction worried me for a second before I saw that there's an inv. phase after it pops. All these changes sound great for Nezha (especially that shorter divine spears cast time, optional slam and blazing chakram synergy), and I'm definitely going to start playing our slidey boi again after these changes ‚̧ԳŹ

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Um okay. Health orbs don't heal you by much. They chose health orbs because he won't need to heal much with Warding Halo active BUT what about your teammates? He'll drop less orbs than a Nekros by default and heal less than all of the other healing frames. Vacuum could also make it hard to heal certain allies especially if they're both in need of healing. He needs a personally designed healing drop that is easily distinguishable from other drops (and has a decent heal) OR give him the trinity affinity range for the healing pulse and make it 40-60 health per kill (maybe allow the health per kill to be affect by power strength). Also give the healing pulse a visual representation as well.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Connor said:

When the health of the Warding Halo runs out, it will do an AoE heat status effect and give you a short period of invulnerability.

  • Why? This gives the player precious time to react, helping survivability while controlling the enemies immediately around you. Your next Warding Halo can be recast during this window to ensure you‚Äôre always protected!

 

Please give this QoL to Rhino, Mesa etc too, so as to be consistent. 

Talking about consistent, please tell Pablo to make Nezha's 4 a press-4-to-win ability so as to be consistent with Saryn's 4.

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