war prime

[Acersecomic]

Any non-tenno weapon cannot be Prime as it was not made by the Orokin.

[(PSN)ChiefDevilEggs]

Umbra War?........

[mikakor]

43 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

I'm not sure about the mass production of prime frames. I know they were the originals though and probably produced at a rate where they could replace those wrecked by their operator. They were not real infected people, they were designed with orokin materials and infested biotech or what you call it. The Umbra thing is another story.

Most things that arent prime but have a prime variant are mass produced Tenno copies.

No. Prime Warframes are ALL infected persons. That's what you learn in the sacrifice.

[--END--Rikutatis]

Probably not, but I'm really, really hoping that the melee 3.0 rework will completely revamp War stats and make it great! One of the most beautiful weapons in the game. 

[(XBOX)DShinShoryuken]

We will get Divided War Prime.

It will be Broken War and Severed War as a dual weapon. 

The story will be that the Warframe that trained the Tenno had the ability to dispel their powers when they would get out of control during training sessions to not hurt anyone. His swords of choice were the dual blades of Peace and Tranquility. Peace had a built in Parry while Tranquility would make Status Effect not work on the weirder while they held them.

As he watched his Warframes go into battle, he had his swords forged to help them in battle against the Sentients. This was where The swords Retribution and Reverence were made for the Warframes. As these were used, the Sentients captured some Frames and turned their swords into War by putting the two into one. This is the reason Shadow Stalker uses this sword as he has some of the trainers abilities and the swords are a way for the Sentients to rub it into the wound of the Stalker not knowing the full story of who he is or where the sword came from.

Or whatever storyline DE will use when they Prime the Stalker weapons. 

[(PSN)TheRallykiller]

My point simply was that lore circumvents community logic if there's a narrative gap...and in this case there *could be...

[SneakyErvin]

2 hours ago, mikakor said:

No. Prime Warframes are ALL infected persons. That's what you learn in the sacrifice.

Those arent the Primes. All frames are however using infected tech, infested "golems" in the center of them, hence why they can act on their own but not to the extent of the U-frames. What we see in the sacrifice is Ballas ideas and one experiment prior to (iirc) the first primes.

[mikakor]

24 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Those arent the Primes. All frames are however using infected tech, infested "golems" in the center of them, hence why they can act on their own but not to the extent of the U-frames. What we see in the sacrifice is Ballas ideas and one experiment prior to (iirc) the first primes.

hmm, i'm heavily disagreeing on that, but i would have to do the quest again and look to the wiki to see if it is true, because you're making me doubt. 

[(XBOX)ThermalStone]

It could easily be canon: "War Prime: the long lost blade of legend pure and unsullied by Hunhow's blasphemous imitation."

Prime stuff could have inspired anything amd so anything can be primed.

[Firetempest]

5 hours ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

Big no for many of the reasons already said above.

Dragon War? Really? Even bigger now.

Also, how would you upgrade a weapon which you have no idea how it was made and what it is made of?

Pretty presumptuous when we knew exactly what parts we needed to collect to repair broken war.

The Tenno has a network of syndicates and cephalons to mull over any tech really. I'm sure orokin also had vast knowledge bases on the sentients they we're able to kill and study as they are of their own tech, in creation and in extra tech they absorbed.

[SneakyErvin]

58 minutes ago, mikakor said:

hmm, i'm heavily disagreeing on that, but i would have to do the quest again and look to the wiki to see if it is true, because you're making me doubt. 

As  far as I remember the first ones were the Umbra, made from willing and unwilling Dax soldiers (as seen in the sacrifice). They rebelled, some died, some got their minds broken and others escaped (excal). The broken ones got controlled by the Tenno and used as weapons fighting and dying to the sentients. Somewhere after that they made the primes that had no memories or emotions like the umbra because they were only engineered golems. Later on the Tenno made their own budget frames based on orokin blueprints. The odd one in the bunch is Chroma that acts on his own much like Umbra.

The Umbra as we see in game has his own behavior and not in need of the Tenno. The other frames only have a self/tenno preserverance "directive" running, as can be seen when Stalker impales our frame with War.

Edited September 18, 2018 by SneakyErvin

[mikakor]

" Excalibur Umbra escapes again, and the Operator returns to the Orbiter. On the way to extraction, Sentient Conculysts appear on the scene. The next Vitruvian symbol, "Warframes", has Ballas reveal that the Warframes were created from human subjects as Infested-hybrids converted by the Helminth as a means to fight against the Sentients led by Hunhow. However, Ballas calls the Warframes a failure as they turned on their creators, but there lies a secret hidden within the Void. "

 

directly Copy Past from the wiki. as i said, the Warframes ( The primes. because the normal ones ( like our mag/Loki/Exca at the beginning of the game are china copy ) ) that the orokin made, the Prime ones, are all humans who has been infested with the Infestation. Willingly or not.

Edited September 18, 2018 by mikakor

[(PSN)robotwars7]

War is a Sentient weapon, Sentient gear can't be primed, and the Orokin were enemies of the Sentients. Sentient tech was superior in it's own way, so why would they use Orokin tech instead? improved versions of a Sentient weapon could be possible in the future, but as we're limited to 3 currently (War, Broken War and Phantasma), it's too early to say if it would really happen.

[rune_me]

Not gonna lie, I thought the title of this thread said "War crime".

[AJ5511]

Lol

[(XBOX)Let Driscoll]

8 hours ago, MagPrime said:

I sincerely doubt that will happen.  

Prime variants are linked directly to the Orokin; Prime is what they made and used.  Unless Hunhow's blade was originally Orokin and his Sentient nanobot goop "infected" it and turned it into what it is now, there is no way for it to be Primed - it wasn't originally Orokin.

 

Couldn't the same be said for Valkyr?

[mikakor]

3 hours ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:

War is a Sentient weapon, Sentient gear can't be primed, and the Orokin were enemies of the Sentients. Sentient tech was superior in it's own way, so why would they use Orokin tech instead? improved versions of a Sentient weapon could be possible in the future, but as we're limited to 3 currently (War, Broken War and Phantasma), it's too early to say if it would really happen. 

isn't Phantasma more of an eidolon shotgun than sentiant? as a subclass of sentient, if you prefer.

[Atsia]

5 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

As  far as I remember the first ones were the Umbra, made from willing and unwilling Dax soldiers (as seen in the sacrifice). They rebelled, some died, some got their minds broken and others escaped (excal). The broken ones got controlled by the Tenno and used as weapons fighting and dying to the sentients. Somewhere after that they made the primes that had no memories or emotions like the umbra because they were only engineered golems. Later on the Tenno made their own budget frames based on orokin blueprints. The odd one in the bunch is Chroma that acts on his own much like Umbra.

The Umbra as we see in game has his own behavior and not in need of the Tenno. The other frames only have a self/tenno preserverance "directive" running, as can be seen when Stalker impales our frame with War.

Well no, there's nothing that actually indicates Umbra's would be the prototypes. Excal Umbra specifically was likely made after the Old War had started and frames were being used by the Tenno since Umbra was turned into a frame as "punishment" for spying on Ballas who was communicating with Hunhow against the Orokin because of the execution of Margulis, which would've been after we joined the war since the Silver Grove  established Margulis was still alive for the designing adn manufacturing if frames for Tenno use. Until more lore is given on Umbra's as a whole vareint type, Primes came first, then the Tenno budget version.

[CriticalFumble]

1 hour ago, (XB1)TwitchingFool0 said:

Couldn't the same be said for Valkyr?

No, the origional Valk was Orokin made.  The way in which an warframe is designed requires things the Corpus do not have.  

Second Dream and The Sacrifice made it clear that the use of the word "forged" in Valk's fluf text is metaphoric.  Most likely, they managed to get it to react after fiddling with it; or there was a conscious Tenno piloting it when they experimented on it, driving them insane.  

On topic, there could be Sentients that incorperated Orokin parts into themselves either as an augment or field repairs like the Eidolons.  Not sure you could call this a "prime" variant, though.  Alternatively, the Orokin could have captured a Sentient and tried to use Orokin parts to enslave it, or fitted their parts to dead Sentient parts in an attempt to make a weapon.  Not sure that there's a point to either of those ideas, but there's not an adiquite reason to call it impossible.  

[(XBOX)Let Driscoll]

27 minutes ago, CriticalFumble said:

No, the origional Valk was Orokin made.  The way in which an warframe is designed requires things the Corpus do not have.  

Second Dream and The Sacrifice made it clear that the use of the word "forged" in Valk's fluf text is metaphoric.  Most likely, they managed to get it to react after fiddling with it; or there was a conscious Tenno piloting it when they experimented on it, driving them insane.  

On topic, there could be Sentients that incorperated Orokin parts into themselves either as an augment or field repairs like the Eidolons.  Not sure you could call this a "prime" variant, though.  Alternatively, the Orokin could have captured a Sentient and tried to use Orokin parts to enslave it, or fitted their parts to dead Sentient parts in an attempt to make a weapon.  Not sure that there's a point to either of those ideas, but there's not an adiquite reason to call it impossible.  

After looking into it more, it seems there was an original Valkyr but there's so much fan made up lore that they try to make into something that explains it makes the situation very confusing.

[Marvelous_A]

Sentient weapons may get their own variant type, but I doubt we will see it anytime soon considering War and Broken War are the only 2 sentient weapons we have.

Edited September 19, 2018 by Marvelous_A

[disco_inferno6]

Was is made of Hunhow's bones.

Therefore there couldn't have been a prime version of it.

 

Speaking of the devil, WAR should have a HUUUUGE damage bonus vs Sentients and glow like hell when striking one(particle effects, the lot)

Edited September 19, 2018 by disco_inferno6

[Firetempest]

2 minutes ago, disco_inferno6 said:

Speaking of the devil, WAR should have a HUUUUGE damage bonus vs Sentients and glow like hell when striking one(particle effects, the lot)

Wouldn't it be a damage boost against corrupted? You don't build your weapons to be effective against your own. Grineer has more impact weapons vs Corpus. Corpus has far more piercing for grineer.

[disco_inferno6]

3 hours ago, Firetempest said:

Wouldn't it be a damage boost against corrupted? You don't build your weapons to be effective against your own. Grineer has more impact weapons vs Corpus. Corpus has far more piercing for grineer.

The Sentient despises all life. Their weapons should normally be effective against all. But they might use different tools for different prey.

If I'd have a guess, I'd say that it should suffer a penalty vs Corrupted since they have a programmed weakness against the Void.

Edited September 19, 2018 by disco_inferno6

[SneakyErvin]

8 hours ago, Atsia said:

Well no, there's nothing that actually indicates Umbra's would be the prototypes. Excal Umbra specifically was likely made after the Old War had started and frames were being used by the Tenno since Umbra was turned into a frame as "punishment" for spying on Ballas who was communicating with Hunhow against the Orokin because of the execution of Margulis, which would've been after we joined the war since the Silver Grove  established Margulis was still alive for the designing adn manufacturing if frames for Tenno use. Until more lore is given on Umbra's as a whole vareint type, Primes came first, then the Tenno budget version.

But which ones were the frames that turned on their masters during the old war and led the Orokin to use the Tenno to control them?

The history part of the wiki states that Margulis got executed before the old war, even before the creation of the sentients and that the frames werent created until after the sentients attacked the origin system. The history section about the old war also states that the frames created for the purpose to fight sentients were created from willing and unwilling Dax (as we can see happen in the sacrifice), it also mentions that these frames turned on their masters, which Ballas also mentions in the sacrifice.