Taranus Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Miser_able said: If your running in a team with a speedva, don't use the aura. It's that simple. And if you're using speedva in pubs or without warning you're team, you're kinda being rude and shouldn't expect them to cater to your needs. It's not rude. I could just as easily say that running this aura is rude. Calling either rude is an overreaction. Is running Limbo rude? They changed Limbo to have less of a negative impact on the rest of the team. They could change Nova. Edited October 11, 2018 by Taranus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranus Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, peterc3 said: Oh no, a potential means of ruining a Speedva that shows up in Public. A quirk that was popular enough to stay in the game but not explicitly part of Nova's kit and therefore unlikely to be protected in case an idea comes along that might interact with it. Oh no, fetch me my fainting couch. Your snark is unnecessary and unwelcome. Coptering was a quirk that was popular enough to stay in the game, remember? Then it was reworked into a better system? That's all I'm advocating here. Chill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterc3 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Taranus said: Your snark is unnecessary and unwelcome. Speedvas are unnecessary and unwelcome in PUBs. Should you really compare Speedvas and coptering or should we just start asking to have them go the way of the Dual Zoren Express. The entire point of Auras is they stack. Asking for an opt-out is inane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranus Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, peterc3 said: Speedvas are unnecessary and unwelcome in PUBs. Should you really compare Speedvas and coptering or should we just start asking to have them go the way of the Dual Zoren Express. The entire point of Auras is they stack. Asking for an opt-out is inane. Did you see the part where I said they could change Nova? The only thing inane is your attitude. I'm trying to have a civil conversation here. Edited October 11, 2018 by Taranus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Helch0rn said: literally noone plays a power strength disarm build. 155 energy for 2k impact damage is a waste of energy. And no one said that to begin with. I said Loki and Limbo arent getting worse with more strength. No reason to gimp your own strength when there are other options that benefit stacking more, like GP. Sure in a premade you can have a Loki or Limbo (or both) with the new mod while the other two use GP for maximum strength boost. But at the same time Loki makes great use out of Steel Charge aswell. And with everything being melee enemies when Loki is around, SC will benefit the group as much as 30% extra strength, or well more since it increases Loki's stealth damage aswell, so you have a buff fitting all 4 members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallisticSalsa Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, peterc3 said: Speedvas are unnecessary and unwelcome in PUBs. Speak for yourself I'm thrilled to see them when I have a dozen things to level and limited time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallisticSalsa Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, SneakyErvin said: It is just +60%. You are at -30% already from your own aura so you only get a bonus of +60% from the other 3 members. So it is far behind Growing Power even in a premade. The only place it would be useful over GP are in scenarios with status immune mobs. But in the only case we currently have, CP or Dead-Eye are already better. Ah my math was off. Still nothing to sneeze at and something to remember if the need for CP falls out of favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Taranus said: It's not rude. I could just as easily say that running this aura is rude. Call either rude is an over reaction. Is running Limbo rude? They changed Limbo to less of a negative impact on the rest of the team. They could change Nova. I think you misunderstood what I said. What I said was that an unprepared team can fail because of a speedva, because speedvas make it so players can be overwhelmed, and that because of this not telling your team you are a speedva and just expecteding them to deal with it is rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hiero_Glyph Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Miser_able said: I think you misunderstood what I said. What I said was that an unprepared team can fail because of a speedva, because speedvas make it so players can be overwhelmed, and that because of this not telling your team you are a speedva and just expecteding them to deal with it is rude. Agreed. Although a neutral Nova is purely a benefit even in PUGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, peterc3 said: Speedvas are unnecessary and unwelcome in PUBs. And yet in all of my years playing Warframe I have yet to ever see anyone complain about a Speedva being in our group. I have on the other hand seen people go thermonuclear over a Slowva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, (PS4)Hiero_Glyph said: Agreed. Although a neutral Nova is purely a benefit even in PUGs. I'm going to redo my neutral build with the new aura since she just need -30% power strength to achieve +/-0% on molecular prime. This will reduce her range, giving her the same radius on her #1 as slowva while also freeing up a few slots that are now dedicated to power strength in order to keep the debuff at +/-0%. Not sure what to do with the last few slots, maybe fit in some more survival mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranus Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Miser_able said: I think you misunderstood what I said. What I said was that an unprepared team can fail because of a speedva, because speedvas make it so players can be overwhelmed, and that because of this not telling your team you are a speedva and just expecteding them to deal with it is rude. I've never heard anyone complain. I've only been thanked. Maybe if it was a super low level defense mission, then people would have a problem with it? I don't know. If someone asked me to stop, I would. I've never been asked though. I wouldn't do it on anything higher leveled than Hydron. Usually it's something like a Lith or Meso fissure if not Hydron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Taranus said: I've never heard anyone complain. I've only been thanked. Maybe if it was a super low level defense mission, then people would have a problem with it? I don't know. If someone asked me to stop, I would. I've never been asked though. I wouldn't do it on anything higher leveled than Hydron. Usually it's something like a Lith or Meso fissure if not Hydron. Most of time when I have an issue with a speedva is because they decided to bring it on a Sortie mission. Worst one was a Sortie 3 melee only defense against the infested. They swarmed us like mad and we got wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Speedva was always more "bug that we intentionally decided not to patch" rather than feature. It's entirely possible the devs don't care and might consider it an acceptable loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL4CKN0ISE Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 It only makes her better. Remember, Nova speed/slow builds aren't something you're supposed to just force on a team. In general, players should know when to use Speed Nova or Slova, but you really should communicate with your team so they don't cancel out your negative power strength or bypass your speed with another frame who slows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranus Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, TARINunit9 said: Speedva was always more "bug that we intentionally decided not to patch" rather than feature. It's entirely possible the devs don't care and might consider it an acceptable loss Like coptering? Edited October 12, 2018 by Taranus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nr.9 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 did someone feel a change to speednova with power donation? it seems like it doesnt work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Grnmchn1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 So how will we abbreviate vigorous swap if VS already means void strike? Just by being out of eidolon hunts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Barbarian Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Just put Power Donation on my Speed Nova. It does a -60% slow when stacked with Overextended and surprisingly took it into 3 public matches and the sky was not falling, there wasn't another power donation nor did anyone complain about the speed boost or the extra 30% Ability Strength. Edited October 13, 2018 by Joe_Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beol Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 The best time to make speedva an augment was 5 years ago. The second best time is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Cram Duahcim Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 hours ago, beol said: The best time to make speedva an augment was 5 years ago. The second best time is now. I can only really seeing Nova getting the most benefit out of running that mod anyways but an augment for Speedva would be a welcomed addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeWilliam Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Is Power Donation working for you guys? I'm not seeing a difference, no impact on the power strength and Atlas' Rumblers aren't extra-adorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acersecomic Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Yeah, my first concern when I saw that mod, awesome as it is. But Nova's 4 will have to be adressed because of this aura. 30% and stackable at that is a big problem for low strength builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanille Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 It's been ages since I have seen a Nova in public matchmaking, let alone a speedva. Speedvas are rare outside of certain content with a premade, why would you use it on public anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyKavatLady Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I suspect we simply won't see anymore Speedva's in pugs. Wanna go speedy Nova? Form a squad with your clan/alliance/friends so none of you accidentally use the same aura. For pugs... well, there will forever now be a chance a Speedva will end up in a squad where someone else is running Power Donation. So that's a risk they must be willing to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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