(PSN)robotwars7 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 if it were like 3 seconds into a game then sure, but something that takes a long time to become powerful is not overpowered. overpowered means literally NO downside or cost whatsoever, or one that is negligible. most players won't even spend that long in one mission anyway. Gara is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koed Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sannleikur said: if you have a problem with an aoe that does 6.21 million damage per second in a small radius on a frame that gets 90% damage reduction, Then I'm sure you'll just hate things like: ... In short, shut up. Since u seem incapable of reading my OP (even though u quote it) I specifically state: "I know there are other OP warframes but we have to start somewhere. People will disagree whether or not Warframe is supposed to give us a challenge or be the ultimate power fantasy. But I think we can all agree, that there shouldn't be such a MASSIVE gap in the power levels of the warframe we play as. Right?" So yeah, I think a lot of those things u mention are OP. Good talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenariousNex Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Unless it can take out 20 lvl 155 battalysts under two minutes, it's not strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannleikur Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Koed said: Since u seem incapable of reading my OP (even though u quote it) I specifically state: "I know there are other OP warframes but we have to start somewhere. People will disagree whether or not Warframe is supposed to give us a challenge or be the ultimate power fantasy. But I think we can all agree, that there shouldn't be such a MASSIVE gap in the power levels of the warframe we play as. Right?" So yeah, I think a lot of those things u mention are OP. Good talk. I read it carefully, 3 times, just to make sure I addressed your topic properly. I just find your opinion to be particularly awful, and flawed in logic. And no, we don't all agree there shouldn't be such a massive power gap in the levels of the warframe we play as. Frankly, most of us are concerned with niches. The Niches we want all include damage higher than you typical gun, sure, but we don't necessarily want the same damage per second over area per energy for every warframe. If you couldn't tell, your opinion is massively unpopular, because most people feel the time and effort gara needs to scale her damage is balanced, for many reasons listed by many people. I just hope the devs don't skim general and see your title and go "oh ****, maybe we should nerf something because this thread seems to have a lot of posts in it, therefor lots of people must agree with the original poster." Because its seems that sometimes they do that. Pretty sure ember got improperly rebalanced because of people like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Herrwann69 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Il y a 6 heures, FlusteredFerret a dit : I'd rate her as a decently tanky frame. Not as good as Rhino or Frost, but certainly one of my favourites, to date. Gara is far more stronger and useful to a team than frost and rhino. Actually it's one of the strongest frame in the game and the more the mission gets longer the more she became stronger. But she also needs you to be very active and do a lot of micro management so it's not that op, it's just very fun and rewarding. I main her beside Valkyr and Titania and every game I have is a ton of fun. Edited October 14, 2018 by (PS4)Herrwann69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeekly Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) It takes time to run to each enemy, damage is worthless if you have less kills. Gara is the absolute most powerful Warframe in the game, it eats me up inside seeing other MR20's using her wrong. Well outside of bosses... Edited October 13, 2018 by Squeekly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanholic7 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Nerf hero which i saw rare as hell in game..sure..so OP. Maybe nerf rhino with millions of armor? or nerf mesa with aim bot and tons of dmg? TS is sad person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Gara is absolutely one of the strongest frames in the game. She can tank. And make allies tank. And kill everything just by touching it. And nuke entire defense maps. Only Octavia really has her beat for usefulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2.2M man... this requires A LOT of energy and time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koed Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, Sannleikur said: I read it carefully, 3 times, just to make sure I addressed your topic properly. I just find your opinion to be particularly awful, and flawed in logic. And no, we don't all agree there shouldn't be such a massive power gap in the levels of the warframe we play as. Frankly, most of us are concerned with niches. The Niches we want all include damage higher than you typical gun, sure, but we don't necessarily want the same damage per second over area per energy for every warframe. If you couldn't tell, your opinion is massively unpopular, because most people feel the time and effort gara needs to scale her damage is balanced, for many reasons listed by many people. I just hope the devs don't skim general and see your title and go "oh ****, maybe we should nerf something because this thread seems to have a lot of posts in it, therefor lots of people must agree with the original poster." Because its seems that sometimes they do that. Pretty sure ember got improperly rebalanced because of people like you. People who disagree will always be the loudest. ... But since we don't agree there shouldn't be a massive gap in power I assume you you are fine with these warframe's power when compared to ones that fill the same role just much worse? Zephyr vs Any Frame. Titania vs Any Frame Mirage vs Any CC frame Valkyr vs any tanky frame Nyx vs Loki/Rhino Etc. What niche scenario does Zephyr and Titania fill? Nothing. They are madly underpowered compared to other frames. So I think most people will agree there shouldnt be a gap and quite a lot of warframes need a rework/tuning. Stop trying to sound smart and overcomplicating simple matters. Of course there shouldn't be such a massive gap in power. And yeah sure, blame the sorry state of Ember on me xD Jesus christ dude, anyone who wants what's best for the game will agree with the nerf of Ember. So yeah, until they get around to giving her the proper rework she so desperately needs, I will gladly see her in the sorry state she is in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korgans Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Koed said: People who disagree will always be the loudest. ... But since we don't agree there shouldn't be a massive gap in power I assume you you are fine with these warframe's power when compared to ones that fill the same role just much worse? Zephyr vs Any Frame. Titania vs Any Frame Mirage vs Any CC frame Valkyr vs any tanky frame Nyx vs Loki/Rhino Etc. What niche scenario does Zephyr and Titania fill? Nothing. They are madly underpowered compared to other frames. So I think most people will agree there shouldnt be a gap and quite a lot of warframes need a rework/tuning. Stop trying to sound smart and overcomplicating simple matters. Of course there shouldn't be such a massive gap in power. And yeah sure, blame the sorry state of Ember on me xD Jesus christ dude, anyone who wants what's best for the game will agree with the nerf of Ember. So yeah, until they get around to giving her the proper rework she so desperately needs, I will gladly see her in the sorry state she is in now. I agree with you that the amount of damage is huge like very huge but you need a lot of work to get to that damage and if your distracted you lose your stack,gara in the right hand is a powerhouse indeed but in uneducated hand she is underwhelming.OP=lot of damage with minimum effort and i dont see that in Gara.I did a 30 wave Arbitration alert today and i can tell you this it was exhausting to keep those stack up ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) It's like complaining ballistic battery is op for killing hek with a mining laser. It takes a lot of time to set up. Edited October 13, 2018 by Firetempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannleikur Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Koed said: People who disagree will always be the loudest. ... But since we don't agree there shouldn't be a massive gap in power I assume you you are fine with these warframe's power when compared to ones that fill the same role just much worse? Zephyr vs Any Frame. Titania vs Any Frame Mirage vs Any CC frame Valkyr vs any tanky frame Nyx vs Loki/Rhino Etc. What niche scenario does Zephyr and Titania fill? Nothing. They are madly underpowered compared to other frames. So I think most people will agree there shouldnt be a gap and quite a lot of warframes need a rework/tuning. Stop trying to sound smart and overcomplicating simple matters. Of course there shouldn't be such a massive gap in power. And yeah sure, blame the sorry state of Ember on me xD Jesus christ dude, anyone who wants what's best for the game will agree with the nerf of Ember. So yeah, until they get around to giving her the proper rework she so desperately needs, I will gladly see her in the sorry state she is in now. Zephyr niche is for being speedy and avoiding damage and flying, with some CC. basically a flighted version of nezha, only with more survivability and less cc and damage. I use her for speed runs and for the plains when I want to be very fast + very tanky. There's a DPS build for her with her tornado aug but I don't bother with it. Titania has massive dps if you use her aug, she needs and deserves a rework. Niche is pretty much boss killing and being very fast atm. She has great potential for being CC+DPS+speedster if her rework goes well. Mirage niche is carpet bombing and basically just making more copies of weapons. There's some other niche combo builds for her, but her main problem is her kit is wonky. She's great for people who use explosives or higher ranged melee. Valkyr's a fast attack melee tank. Her niche is pretty easy to understand, she can out tank any tank frame with the proper setup, and outdamage most of them. She's got other niche builds too like eternal war high armor for those who really love their melee weapons and having 95% DR and attacking fast. Nyx is getting a rework. Her niche for me is extremely long range very cheap CC+ immortaility that can protect defense targets. Frames needing touchups isn't the same as narrowing the gap between their DPS/A per S/E. It means making them fit their niche better. I didn't blame ember on you, I blamed it on people like you. Anyone who wants whats best for the game will agree that Ember's nerf was mishandled and didn't even address the problem they wanted to address. The problem DE and a lot of newer players had with her is that she could just press 4 and stroll thru any star chart map and kill it. That is a problem. It wasn't fixed. I can still do that not only with ember, but with a few extra presses of either 4 or E, I can do the same with a lot of frames, and with a lot of melee weapons. There were better ways to address ember, instead they gave her tweaks that didn't fit any of her niches, which is a problem. A far simpler solution would have been to start WoF's range very low and allow it to ramp up over time if certain conditions were met. A more moderate and reasonable version of the saryn rework is what she needs, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Herrwann69 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 il y a une heure, Koed a dit : You not knowing how to use a Warframe do not mean it is useless or bad. Titania is a DPS warmachine. Very useful on plains and in X or Y weapon only sorties. Plus she have a wonderful cc. Valkyr is tankier than every other frame because she as invulnerability. And she has a huge DPS and can control and support others tankiness. Zephyr can be almost untouchable, have a good defense ability and have a very useful ultimate. Etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)DShinShoryuken Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Sigh.... Players miss something that is pertinent to WARFRAME- they have the power to level cities. This is stated in the lore. Yet when a Frame gets even close to that aspect of what they should be.....NERF!NERF!!NERFNERF!!! Come on please people....if you have to do something for a while to get big numbers against the game, that is okay. You put in the time to hit those buttons. You ran around to find the enemies and kill them. You got energy and kept it up plus you built the mod setup. We're here to have fun and go as far as you want. Some will keep building this up and some will use it and let it run out. Let the work stay where it is as it is not an instant power up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WeeMalk5 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 You can choose to use a playstyle that is op. However, you can also choose to run Gara with a playstyle that is not op. No need for nerfs. Its in your control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DG-ShadowPrime Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 *Says Gara needs a major nerf* Reason: A time dedicated build that requires a 10 minute build up with specific mods and specific melee setup As @Sannleikur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DG-ShadowPrime Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 *Says Gara needs a major nerf* Reason: A time dedicated build that requires a 10 minute build up with specific mods and specific melee setup As @Sannleikur said other frames can do the same S#&$ and they've been around for far longer and noone had a problem with them. Except Ember people *@##$ to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DG-ShadowPrime Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 *Says Gara needs a major nerf* Reason: A time dedicated build that requires a 10 minute build up with specific mods and specific melee setup As @Sannleikur said other frames can do the same S#&$ and they've been around for far longer and no-one had a problem with them. Except Ember people *@##$ too much in low levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DG-ShadowPrime Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 *Says Gara needs a major nerf* Reason: A time dedicated build that requires a 10 minute build up with specific mods and specific melee setup and constant upkeep. Emphasis on constant As @Sannleikur said other frames can do the same S#&$ and they've been around for far longer and no-one had a problem with them. Except Ember people *@##$ too much in low levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ultamite hero Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Melanholic7 said: Nerf hero which i saw rare as hell in game.. Why do I need to be nerfed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunderke Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I haven't Gara yet but she does not looks op in a bad way and she needs a lot of work to manage those levels. As a Titania main I could tell all frame needs some work to be lethal and manage it up to level 100-200 or more. If an ability can kill a whole map in seconds that is op in a bad way otherwise I don't think it needs nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgabor Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Well, i mean for what content would you even use Gara over any other frame? Does it hurt someone that it isn't a completely meme tier weak frame and can be useful in niche cases with extremely niche frame and melee builds? I can do the same and better with a Link-Bless spam Trin and Arcane Guardian plus bring some actual support with Energy Vampire, meanwhile Gara walls hp falls off at around lvl.80-ish with a Strength build and is only useful for cc and costs a ton of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixues Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I usually call for a nerf when a frame is really disruptive in a group setting. Gara can achieve huge numbers but I don't think she is disruptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlusteredFerret Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, (PS4)Herrwann69 said: Gara is far more stronger and useful to a team than frost and rhino. Actually it's one of the strongest frame in the game and the more the mission gets longer the more she became stronger. But she also needs you to be very active and do a lot of micro management so it's not that op, it's just very fun and rewarding. I main her beside Valkyr and Titania and every game I have is a ton of fun. And it also depends a lot on what mods you have available...an argument which can be applied to every other frame. OP's claim that Gara is OP - just because he's managed to create a particularly powerful build, using mods that many players may not have, is disingenuous at best. Idiotic at worst. Most players' evaluations of any frame are likely going to be heavily influenced by the builds they are able to create... Edited October 14, 2018 by FlusteredFerret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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