Paracesis status chance

[Kylezz]

3 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

You havent Forma'd it 5 times, have you?

Come back once you do that.

just did after the day mainline was released

[Kylezz]

2 hours ago, EoFallen said:

Also what u got a remember is that melee 3.0 will change most stuff

looking forward to that

[Mr.SpookSpook]

3 hours ago, EoFallen said:

Learn to mod properly then reevaluate what you just said

Learn to detect sarcasm properly then reevaluate what you just said

[-Krism-]

3 hours ago, EoFallen said:

Learn to mod properly then reevaluate what you just said

I think he was joking, you're the one who needs to calm down

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

I mean, tbh, I’m kinda used to having that low Status Chance with Zaws already. It just means that with the Paracesis maybe Corrosive will be the better option to mod it for rather than Viral for what it’s worth with that base Status Chance. With Drifting Contact and 1 dual stat mod you can achieve 24% Status which is feasible imo.

[EoFallen]

On 2018-10-14 at 8:56 AM, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

I think he was joking, you're the one who needs to calm down

calm down?????? lol im always calm 

[(PSN)N7_Dredgen]

Don't have it on console yet, though it doesn't look too bad I guess.  Crit is nice but most vets know crit is poo poo late level gameplay, status is where it's at.  But as many have noted, this is for killing Sentients, so thematically it makes sense. 

The wiki for Paracesis points a horrible trend though:
-Third highest base damage of all heavy blades, behind Galatine Prime and Gram Prime.
-Second highest critical chance of all heavy blades, behind Gram Prime.
-Tied with Gram Prime for the highest critical multiplier of all heavy blades.
-Like the Gram Prime, the weapon's slam attacks covers a large radius of 8 meters, with very high ragdolling force.

I can't see this weapon having a place in any vets arsenal as long as Gram Prime remains as is, though that's not always bad - it means Paracesis is a good "stepping stone" weapon in normal gameplay.   

All of that said, the Paracesis was clearly not designed for normal gameplay, it's mechanic with forma does in fact make it a monstrous Sentient killer - which right now is only useful on Lua, but when New War drops, I can see this weapon being the melee meta for Tau related content.  Since I don't have it yet, I'm unsure of how the damage bonus is applied (before or after mods) but either way that 60% boon should push it above Gram Prime - but only against Sentients.  Not to mention the extra mod points should make it more flexible for Umbra mods. 



 

Edited October 15, 2018 by (PS4)lagrue

[-Krism-]

15 minutes ago, EoFallen said:

calm down?????? lol im always calm 

yeah, sure you are

[AEP8FlyBoy]

On 2018-10-14 at 7:36 AM, IceColdHawk said:

Gram Prime > Paracesis. Change my mind.

Dragon Nikana > Everything else.

My mind is unchangeable.

[EoFallen]

On 2018-10-15 at 1:29 PM, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

yeah, sure you are

lol i can never get angry about a game

[-Krism-]

2 minutes ago, EoFallen said:

lol i can never get angry about a game

Why do you keep answering me then? You could've just stopped by then

[EoFallen]

3 hours ago, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

Why do you keep answering me then? You could've just stopped by then

just wanna have a conversation 

[-Krism-]

Just now, EoFallen said:

just wanna have a conversation 

This is not what this thread is about, if you want to talk here, then talk about what the OP talked about, hence, I won't reply further from you

[seprent]

On 2018-10-14 at 6:15 AM, EoFallen said:

just wait for melee 3.0 op might not be in ur dictionary after

the sneak op of melee 3.0 

[Damocles]

On 2018-10-14 at 9:14 AM, DerGreif2 said:

Nothing to change here. Gram P. is OP and should be weaker. But it is not. /theend

uh excuse me? there's a great weapon, so nerf it? I'm missing the part where this is PvP and gram prime offers some competitive advantage. If you accept facts then I'd like to add a riven modded zaw polearm does half the damage but at 2 times the reach/4 times the area while gram prime also riven modded can do 2 to 3 times more damage but at a significantly slower swing speed and shorter reach. It averages out to hitting twice as hard, but the range you get from zaws still make it a more combat effective weapon. You're strictly looking at gram prime as a damage effective weapon, but in practice it is not as combat effective as say +365% range spin2win scoliac. Now why hasn't anyone nerfed that?

[ThumpumGood]

The complaints about weapons and frames because they arent what was hyoed always cracks me up. Usually the complaint stems from some one who isnt looking at the base damage. They try to make the weapon do what they want instead of what it was designed for. The Sonocor is a HUGE example. I love it. I modded it to amplify what the weapon IS, not what I want it to do and I am super pleased. Does need more forma so I can max the mods I have on it, but I have no issues going into a Uranus survial solo and doing 20-30 min with an unranked frome to level it and using ONLY the sonocor. No frame ability use, no primary weapon use, no melee weapon use. JUST the sonocor.

Max out what the weapon does before you add something else. I'm still in process of making this as Im still leveling the Galletine, Im willing to bet it will be a pretty good weapon.

[Oreades]

On 2018-10-15 at 4:38 PM, AEP8FlyBoy said:

Dragon Nikana > Everything else.

My mind is unchangeable.

Challenge Accepted!

Nurse, bring me the bone saw. 

[Loza03]

To be honest, I don't really care that it's a 'Worse Gram Prime'. A 'worse Gram Prime' is still a hella good sword. Plus, it looks very appealing to me, and I personally enjoy and get use out of the 'slam them everywhere' mechanic, since the time they spend up in the sky is time I can spend either targeting the heavy they were in front of or slicing them out of the air.  It doesn't really need good status since, frankly the power and speed at which it crits with a Sacrifical build makes it well worth it.

[AzureTerra]

On 2018-10-14 at 11:02 PM, JohnKable said:

That doesnt increase the low-average status chance. I never had capacity problem with weapons even without the 40levels gimmick.

 

If it has a low status chance means its a Crit weapon, that you choose to compare it to whatever the new prime weapon does is your choice but not one thqt means that it needs to have its stats changed.

[Dishonored]

still melt heavy gunner if you slap condition overload on that thing,
especially if you using Saryn 1 + 3  with +200% str 

[Guest]

Please, if anything Gram Prime is a lousier Paracesis. Gram Prime is so slow that even with Primed Fury it swings like a baseball bat in a water tank. Needing two speed mods/a riven to make it remotely usable is not a justification for OP, since you either give up primed reach or another damage mod.

Considering all crit melee draws their power from attack speed, actually, due to the buildup of the Combo Counter, the Paracesis gives results faster and with less chance of you being interrupted mid swing. Just don't waste a mod slot on Condition Overload. You don't need it to deal seven digit damage.

[WindigoTG]

On 2018-10-14 at 7:59 PM, CeePee said:

Let's just say it's not a MR fodder weapon.

It is tho

[RunicZeus]

My assumption about DEs design on the weapon is to make it great against sentients but not power creep against all other content. I think it's great as is imo.

[-QUILL_PETER-]

On 2018-10-14 at 7:02 AM, JohnKable said:

 

Nevermind this post. Nothing to read here that hasn't been stated several times before.

Really need to look through threads before I comment =\

Edited October 17, 2018 by -QUILL_PETER-

[SneakyErvin]

On 2018-10-14 at 3:19 PM, Zeclem said:

paracesis is better for a crit build. much better. 

How?

Gram has higher crit chance, same crit damage and higher base damage. Both can technically slot the same mods. Gram also benefits from 32% baseline status chance, meaning it isnt very hard to get massive slash procs into the mix aswell that also feeds of your crit.