Why does Ammo Case[Carrier Precept Mod]not negate -100% Ammo Max from Rivens?

[Scherhardt]

DE explain? Intentional or bug?

[Drasiel]

maybe it is an order of effect issue and carrier applies before the riven is taken into account. Honestly just guessing.

edit: actually thinking about it more even if the riven applies first that means your total ammo is 0 so adding 25% more of 0 is still 0.

Edited October 20, 2018 by Drasiel
brain think

[Scherhardt]

4 minutes ago, Drasiel said:

maybe it is an order of effect issue and carrier applies before the riven is taken into account. Honestly just guessing.

edit: actually thinking about it more even if the riven applies first that means your total ammo is 0 so adding 25% more of 0 is still 0.

Logical BUT is it intentional, that is the question. I need DEs word on this

[Robolaser]

When you use more than one mod for the same stat, they usualy don't multiply each other.

Their values are added instead, before the total is then applied as a percentage.

Here, ammo case's +25 is added to the -100 of your riven, then the the resulting -75 becomes -75% and is applied to your base max ammo.

You would need a -125% riven for your max ammo to be 0 despite ammo case.  <- wrong! ammo case bonus is indeed applied to the modded capacity.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2018 by Robolaser

[Scherhardt]

11 hours ago, Robolaser said:

When you use more than one mod for the same stat, they usualy don't multiply each other.

Their values are added instead, before the total is then applied as a percentage.

Here, ammo case's +25 is added to the -100 of your riven, then the the resulting -75 becomes -75% and is applied to your base max ammo.

You would need a -125% riven for your max ammo to be 0 despite ammo case.

 

 

Assuming it goes this way, then its a bug. I'm using a lato riven with 103% Ammo max negative with carrier equipped. Ammo max is at 0.

[Robolaser]

Though the vast majority of mods work the way i described above, i just verified ammo case and indeed it gives +25% of the modded max ammo. The wiki also confirm this. So yeah obviously if that modded capacity is zero, +25% won't add anything. My bad!

I've also tested shade's ambush mod, and found its +120% to owner's weapon damage works the usual way, like an additional +damage weapon mod would. So this inconsistency seems specific to ammo case, not sentinel mods.

Edited October 21, 2018 by Robolaser