(PSN)randy_lahey__-- Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Eirshy said: Are we really going to play @ tag instead of having a meaningful discussion? Your bad at forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Valar_Morgoolis Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Pretty sure this is a dumb idea with flaws but this is a random suggestion for a new disposition system which is to allow us players to choose from two options for each individual riven we own: Option 1: adjust the disposition of the riven to the new disposition aka the stats are readjusted. Option 2: grandfather the old disposition aka the stats will stay the same - choosing this option will lock the riven meaning it cant be traded or re rolled ever Option 2 is basically for people who spent tons on God Rolls aka they wont get pissed if dispositions change but they also wont be able to profit either by reselling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eirshy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, (PS4)randy_lahey__-- said: Your bad at forums you're* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajochi Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Why do people make whole threads in response to other threads? Is it because everyone wants to be an OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sajochi said: Why do people make whole threads in response to other threads? Is it because everyone wants to be an OP? More visibility. A lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sajochi said: Why do people make whole threads in response to other threads? Is it because everyone wants to be an OP? I believe so. People see "OP", relate it to "Overpowered" and somehow think if they're the OP of a thread they're somehow super powerful. Only thing that explains why people make entire threads just to respond to another thread. 50 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said: Riven disposition doesn't really need to be tinkered with much anymore. I don't believe you actually think this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfen Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I think we need a rebalance in the form of looking at weapon popularty and other average stats with and without rivens, Some weapons are only popular because of the rivens, while others, mainly new prime entries, should in no way have 5/5 because the new entries are plenty strong. Tiberon, gram, etc. There are also some of the old nerfed weapons like the Simulor and Tonkor that, while I did hate their over abuse, are stuck with 1/5 rivens that are way to low for their current power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shelneroth Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Sajochi said: Why do people make whole threads in response to other threads? Is it because everyone wants to be an OP? You should have made a new thread to ask this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajochi Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Shelneroth said: You should have made a new thread to ask this. But i have standards and important things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Dust Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Rivens ruined the market by making it hard for newer players and older to sell things, I've seen more negative plat balance post since rivens were released due to the large cost of the items, and riven prices turn newer people away from the game when they see the prices. They also dont work how they should because the rivens that get bought are already for the best weapons so the weak weapons still suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Gibberish-Jack Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I have no issue with them. I dont even use any yet because i only have 1 unlocked and another thats locked lol I have no interest in unlocking the other one, well maybe one day, but for now i am perfectly happy with the way my gear performs. A riven would only make my stuff more powerful (obviously) and i really dont think that needs to be the case. Totally happy to either have them in game or not. Doesn't bother me at all. Its not like this is a PVP only game, balance doesn't concern me too much. I dont care if some dude is killing things quicker than me, i love the way the things i have atm are performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox_Preliator Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Because they are a blight on the game, and ignoring it has only caused it to fester. There have already been plenty of excellent posts in the past that illustrate the issues, and yet we still get people unable to use the search bar and feel the need to be oh so special with their own thread, so I expect any argument contrary to your own will just, as it always does, be met with a resounding "nuh uh" and endless fallacies instead of actual counterarguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Dex Xean Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Rivens were maded to make weapons that people saw as unpopular(bad stats) as a reason to use them more. Now a days you get disposition 5 rivens on popular weapons (good stats *cough* gram prime) like someone else said in the thread here currently rivens just make really good weapons become even more overpowered that we never use low disposition weapons or unpopular weapons even more so now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, (PS4)AZN_RH said: Option 2: grandfather the old disposition aka the stats will stay the same - choosing this option will lock the riven meaning it cant be traded or re rolled ever Option 2 is basically for people who spent tons on God Rolls aka they wont get pissed if dispositions change but they also wont be able to profit either by reselling i really, REALLY love option two. fix up everything. you keep your riven with amazing stats, BUT, you can't trade it anymore, which means there won't be a stupid market with high grandfather riven who will cost even more, sicne they aren't trade-able anymore. which will bring down the cost of said rivens. god, i love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)N7_Dredgen Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Disposition changes are fine but only if they apply to new rivens after the change - already generated rivens should not be touched in any capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: I believe so. People see "OP", relate it to "Overpowered" and somehow think if they're the OP of a thread they're somehow super powerful. Only thing that explains why people make entire threads just to respond to another thread. I don't believe you actually think this. why does disposition need to be messed with right now? Because of trade chat prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I think the word you're looking for is "Balanced" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, (XB1)Dex Xean said: Now a days you get disposition 5 rivens on popular weapons (good stats *cough* gram prime) you know, i really don't see gram prime being used a lot. if it's on an already powerful weapon, but that said weapon is not being sued by a lot of the community, then the disposition is logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, (PS4)Shelneroth said: You should have made a new thread to ask this. I'm so very tempted... and bored. But I think that would get to the point of Metacomplain... if we havent already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturmorn_Carvilli Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Well a lot of stuff isn't mentioned how it works. And to some extent, I like that about Warframe. So just because riven disposition isn't really mentioned in the game isn't really a good excuse for it not being used as Digital Extremes meant it to be. I also don't think just because riven disposition hasn't changed in a long time is a very good argument for not changing it either. I actually I thing that favors the argument that the disposition change should be looked at sooner rather than later as there are many weapons introduced that were only 'eyeballed' (or more accurately given a 3 and that's it) to the disposition they have. I do wanted mention that you title is poisoning the well as it is entirely possible, and I think probable, that many unpopular weapons stand to gain something from a riven disposition update as much as meta weapons could lose from the same thing. So it isn't so much that people are eager for weapons to become "garbage" so much as they might just want to see a shake up in meta via an update in disposition. The fact is DE wanted riven disposition to be a thing in flux based on popularity of a weapon's use my the player base. Fair enough, I consider rivens to a cherry-on-top kinda of thing for already good weapons regardless of their current disposition. I have a good deal of meta weapon rivens. I haven't bought any of them, although; I have sold a few duplicates I have received. I also don't get too crazy with re-rolling with most of my 50+ keeper rivens under 7 re-rolls. I don't need 'god' stats, just something I can work with for the weapon. I also have a whole slew of out of meta rivens for weapons I happen to like. So any sort of disposition change has just as good of buff them which will having using them a little more as I lean more toward high level content of Warframe. I like the idea of a routine disposition update to shake up the meta a little bit everyone and again. It helps keeps Warframe from becoming too stale as weapons deemed too under powered to effectively tackle high level content quickly can now be utilized. It is not like most meta weapons won't still be good with a lower disposition riven. To even be a meta weapon, the thing has to start with at least decent stats for a riven to make crazy powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Dex Xean Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, mikakor said: you know, i really don't see gram prime being used a lot. if it's on an already powerful weapon, but that said weapon is not being sued by a lot of the community, then the disposition is logic. Problem is something like spira prime isn't use a lot either but it's a one disposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturmorn_Carvilli Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, (XB1)Dex Xean said: Problem is something like spira prime isn't use a lot either but it's a one disposition. Yeah, for me that's because I don't want to wield a micro-unicorn barber pole dart more than anything it has to do with its stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said: why does disposition need to be messed with right now? Because of trade chat prices? Because they no longer follow their design intent? Because weapons that could actually use Rivens have stupidly low dispositions, whilst blatant powercreep has high dispositions making them more creepy? Because the games balance would actually be better off without them in their current state? Because DE have admitted dropping the ball when it comes to them, and it's always good to see people actually doing something after such a statement? Why am I not surprised to see you implying that my argument is going to be about tradechat. That's what, a preemptive strawman? We know how I feel about your strawman arguments. Edited October 22, 2018 by DeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Dex Xean Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Saturmorn_Carvilli said: Yeah, for me that's because I don't want to wield a micro-unicorn barber pole dart more than anything it has to do with its stats. But that's the point from the person I quoted its unpopular so it should get a higher disposition even if you still won't use it rivens were meant as a incentive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 There would also be twice as many vocal threads complaining about their stats constantly changing. I dont see the major upside to updating disposition at this time. There is a meta, but there will ALWAYS be a meta. You will always have what the community considered best (whether its true or not). Right now, i cant recall one single weapon that seems to interrupt PUG play or dominate everyones loadout because they practically have no choice. So there really is no point in shaking things up. Now yes, there are some underused weapons, but there will ALWAYS be underused weapons. At best, i can see them giving the bottom few a buff if anything, but then they can just release a PRIME version of said weapon.....like the Gram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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