-Kittens- Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Context is lacking. Point is unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renathy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Context is lacking. Point is unclear. A.K.A. Spam and Pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallowsCalibrator Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Context is lacking. Point is unclear. Overheat and Link are being changed - Overheat will absorb a smaller percentage of incoming damage, and Link no longer makes Trinity completely invincible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Overheat and Link are being changed - Overheat will absorb a smaller percentage of incoming damage, and Link no longer makes Trinity completely invincible. Neither have any impact on Rhino and Frost... Edited September 4, 2013 by Archistopheles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallowsCalibrator Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Neither have any impact on Rhino and Frost... Honestly, I don't think Rhino's too tanky. At higher levels (maybe half an hour into survival), Iron Skin protects from maybe a second or two of gunfire. Frost is much more durable inside Snow Globe, except against infested. Edited September 4, 2013 by gallowsCalibrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kittens- Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Context is lacking. Point is unclear. Then watch the livestream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kittens- Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Neither have any impact on Rhino and Frost... Rhino was already nerfed twice. Guess who's next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienTetris Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The funny thing, is your names kittens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renathy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The funny thing, is your names kittens.. The common anime addicted teenager who thinks cats are the more beautiful than their own opposite gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kittens- Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 and you're a presumptive ignoramus, and wrong on three counts within one sentence, that almost broke namacyst's record. Better luck next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renathy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 and you're a presumptive ignoramus, and wrong on three counts within one sentence, that almost broke namacyst's record. Better luck next time. And I just hit the heart of the beast. Rawr, it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Rhino was already nerfed twice. Guess who's next. The livestream had nothing about further nerfing Rhino or Frost. So again I ask for clarity on why we need to say goodbye to either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakim0n0 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Honestly, I don't think Rhino's too tanky. At higher levels (maybe half an hour into survival), Iron Skin protects from maybe a second or two of gunfire. Frost is much more durable inside Snow Globe, except against infested. Which is a second or two longer than most frames, which can make quite a difference in certain situations. Link has no real business being full immunity and they are going to give it more teeth by description, not to mention bless grants invulnerability anyways so you can link, get into fire, start bless, kill tons of crap. Ember had skills like offense, defense, offense, offense and always lauded as an offensive frame so making her full offense instead of defensive makes sense. The thing you're really ignoring is; tanks aren't just about taking damage but they are about control as well... Currently I wouldn't really classify any frame as being "the tank" just defensive, offensive, utility and stealth frames. This is why I dislike people trying to insert metrics from other genres that don't really fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudPies Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Ember had skills like offense, defense, offense, offense and always lauded as an offensive frame so making her full offense instead of defensive makes sense.Now, instead of a useful utility skill that is viable at higher levels, you get the 50 energy version of fireball! YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Neither of them were tanks. RHINO is the heaviest Warframe, combining offensive and defensive capabilities. –In-game description Please explain how this does not make him a "tank." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kittens- Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Which is a second or two longer than most frames, which can make quite a difference in certain situations. Link has no real business being full immunity and they are going to give it more teeth by description, not to mention bless grants invulnerability anyways so you can link, get into fire, start bless, kill tons of crap. Ember had skills like offense, defense, offense, offense and always lauded as an offensive frame so making her full offense instead of defensive makes sense. The thing you're really ignoring is; tanks aren't just about taking damage but they are about control as well... Currently I wouldn't really classify any frame as being "the tank" just defensive, offensive, utility and stealth frames. This is why I dislike people trying to insert metrics from other genres that don't really fit. Except that's exactly what you did. Rhino certainly qualifies under the action game tank precept and to a degree the fighting game precept. And the other two did as well. Now only Frost remains. Edited September 5, 2013 by -Kittens- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 There is no tanks in Warframe. Saying Frost, Rhino or some other is tank just because some people think they are tanking is crap. Tanking=keeping aggro, and keeping aggro in WF is mission impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grilleds Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Honestly, I don't think Rhino's too tanky. At higher levels (maybe half an hour into survival), Iron Skin protects from maybe a second or two of gunfire. Frost is much more durable inside Snow Globe, except against infested.If it takes level 130+ enemies for Rhino to be in trouble, then he is a pretty good tank. Higher waves in defense really shouldn't be taken too seriously when it comes to game balance since there isn't much point to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundance Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 The common anime addicted teenager who thinks cats are the more beautiful than their own opposite gender. Opposite gender only? I'm a male tenno and I think Excalibur is more beautiful than Mag if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripheon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 There is no tanks in Warframe. Saying Frost, Rhino or some other is tank just because some people think they are tanking is crap. Tanking=keeping aggro, and keeping aggro in WF is mission impossible. Exactly.. there never were tank frames, there are DEFENSIVE Frames, BUT along those guidelines the nyx Absorb ability should adiquately "Tank" for however much its modded... Hopefully :/ Frost's snowglobe is a shell to protect objectives and your cell if necessary, but draws no aggro. Rhino may have high armor level with frost aswell but that'll only get you so far till you become wet tissue paper for lvl 40+ hostiles. Rhinos iron skin can get vaporized in seconds aswell as draws no aggro. Link for trinity never drew aggro, but took damage quite well, should still after the fix... again hopefully. Overheat is in the same boat as link as of now, i think sheldon wont allow his fav frame to suck hard. I could continue, but in all there are no tanks in warframe... yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drasiel Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 <snip> Rhinos iron skin can get vaporized in seconds aswell as draws no aggro. <snip> Just want to jump in here and say as far as I was aware Rhino's iron skin did in fact draw aggro. At the very least it's supposed to, it's in the update 8 patch notes "-Rhino's Iron Skin ability draws Aggro from enemies." https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/49101-update-8-rise-of-the-warlords/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxRabbit Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 The common anime addicted teenager who thinks cats are the more beautiful than their own opposite gender. lol I had a Boyfriend who was INSANELY obsessed with his cat... it grossed me out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripheon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Just want to jump in here and say as far as I was aware Rhino's iron skin did in fact draw aggro. At the very least it's supposed to, it's in the update 8 patch notes "-Rhino's Iron Skin ability draws Aggro from enemies." https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/49101-update-8-rise-of-the-warlords/ Hmm.. well i never noticed it, enemies either rip it to shreds or run past me hauling &#! to stand 3 inches from the objective and just stand there for 15 seconds before shooting (lol) in any case i did not know that. my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxRabbit Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Opposite gender only? I'm a male tenno and I think Excalibur is more beautiful than Mag if you know what I mean. Agreed. It's cause he's a Unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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