FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, --Q--Stryker said: All of those can be farmed, almost all armor sets cannot. That's the difference. Easy enough to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerAgentTexas Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, FrostDragoon said: I have to laugh at the people who are saying it's "p2w" as if that isn't already super prevalent in the game: * Buying plat for prime sets, and special variants of things (Vandal, Prisma, Wraith, etc), Primed mods, catalysts, reactors, forma, boosters, rushing things (if people even do that?), etc * "What" exactly are you winning? * It doesn't hurt your frames anyway, so you can still put whatever you want on them. * If you're worried about other people using it to min/max and you don't want to, you don't have to. This "keeping up with the Jones'" attitude is the real problem, and where pretty much all of the naysaying is coming from. Every single thing you say is "pay 2 win" except rushing items can be done without buying plat, or even without earning plat.Primes are farmable, special weapons are buyable from Baro, same with prime mods, both flavors of potato and forma are craftable, and boosters come through the daily system and sorties. They'd be winning better stats. It hurts the balancing of the game. If they can min max and someone else can't because of money, that's an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, angias said: It would be ok only if they could be earned via gameplay. Other wise people would pay for bonus stats. It would still be the same problem we had before though... Someone would complain that an armor they thoroughly didn't like the look of had a necessary use and an armor they very much liked hindered their gameplay. Which would, of course, lead to complaints that "premium cosmetics do nothing at all" ... opening the door to P2W complaints if bonuses got added. Bear in mind, DE tried for a year to just not make new Arcanes and folks still complained because of Looks vs Function vs The Theme on the frame in question. "XYZ's arcane helmet looks like trash but is so helpful" "Rhino moves at Loki speed because of the arcane helmet and that's not fair" "ABC's helmets offer more function that XYZ's" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, NotDealwithitdog said: Every single thing you say is "pay 2 win" except rushing items can be done without buying plat, or even without earning plat.Primes are farmable, special weapons are buyable from Baro, same with prime mods, both flavors of potato and forma are craftable, and boosters come through the daily system and sorties. They'd be winning better stats. It hurts the balancing of the game. If they can min max and someone else can't because of money, that's an issue. You're still not listening, and instead committing a "straw man" fallacy. I said armor should be in the loot pool in the very first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Padre_Akais said: It would still be the same problem we had before though... Someone would complain that an armor they thoroughly didn't like the look of had a necessary use and an armor they very much liked hindered their gameplay. Which would, of course, lead to complaints that "premium cosmetics do nothing at all" ... opening the door to P2W complaints if bonuses got added. Bear in mind, DE tried for a year to just not make new Arcanes and folks still complained because of Looks vs Function vs The Theme on the frame in question. "XYZ's arcane helmet looks like trash but is so helpful" "Rhino moves at Loki speed because of the arcane helmet and that's not fair" "ABC's helmets offer more function that XYZ's" This was a problem because the old arcanes carried big drawbacks. Not the same at all to what I'm suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerAgentTexas Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, FrostDragoon said: You're still not listening, and instead committing a "straw man" fallacy. I said armor should be in the loot pool in the very first post. At that point they're no longer cosmetics. And at that point Fashionframe (which is a massive part of the game and community) will die on the spot because no one will care how it looks if the stats aren't good. No one uses a weapon because they like how it looks. They use it because it has good stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealHeftyTrout Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It's cosmetic for a reason, really stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errodin Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, FrostDragoon said: You're still not listening, and instead committing a "straw man" fallacy. I said armor should be in the loot pool in the very first post. Armor should be in the loot pool? You mean cosmetics should be farm-able? Ughhh no, you can boast about spending $500 over 3-4 years ... I've spend that alone this year in cosmetics alone ... the upset would be too great and DE would suffer from a secondary source of income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, NotDealwithitdog said: At that point they're no longer cosmetics. And at that point Fashionframe (which is a massive part of the game and community) will die on the spot because no one will care how it looks if the stats aren't good. No one uses a weapon because they like how it looks. They use it because it has good stats. Fashion Frame is a meme, which is why I described this as a lost opportunity. I know they aren't going to change it now, but it was a mistake to not have armor be "armor" from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Errodin said: Armor should be in the loot pool? You mean cosmetics should be farm-able? Ughhh no, you can boast about spending $500 over 3-4 years ... I've spend that alone this year in cosmetics alone ... the upset would be too great and DE would suffer from a secondary source of income. They should never have been cosmetics. That's the whole point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerAgentTexas Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, FrostDragoon said: Fashion Frame is a meme, which is why I described this as a lost opportunity. I know they aren't going to change it now, but it was a mistake to not have armor be "armor" from the beginning. It really wasn't. They wanted players to be able to choose how they looked regardless of any sort of stats. That's literally why they tanked arcane helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errodin Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, FrostDragoon said: They should never have been cosmetics. That's the whole point. Okay then ... you pay out all the money ever spent on cosmetics back to the players and get what you want ... i'll wait. Edited October 30, 2018 by Errodin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 ugh, no. cosmetics are a big money maker for them, this would likely be more harmful than helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nykerios Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, FrostDragoon said: They should never have been cosmetics. That's the whole point. So what about the prime armors? Do you really think DE will want to refund $20-$50 for every player who paid for it previously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azlen Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, FrostDragoon said: Fashion Frame is a meme, which is why I described this as a lost opportunity. I know they aren't going to change it now, but it was a mistake to not have armor be "armor" from the beginning. 1 minute ago, FrostDragoon said: They should never have been cosmetics. That's the whole point. Ahh to be so young and naive. Don't worry, maybe one day you'll understand how things work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Errodin said: Okay then ... you pay out all the money ever spent on cosmetics back to the players and get what you want ... i'll wait. It's been awhile since I've seen such a pointless comment that adds nothing to the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerAgentTexas Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, FrostDragoon said: It's been awhile since I've seen such a pointless comment that adds nothing to the conversation. Well, congrats. You just added another. Here's one more from me for the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Most of the objections really read like canned responses from people who didn't even read the OP, but I think my favorite one is people saying that they wouldn't want to farm for armor, but instead be forced to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errodin Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, FrostDragoon said: It's been awhile since I've seen such a pointless comment that adds nothing to the conversation. So is fighting the fight when you've spend 7 rounds losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerAgentTexas Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, FrostDragoon said: Most of the objections really read like canned responses from people who didn't even read the OP, but I think my favorite one is people saying that they wouldn't want to farm for armor, but instead be forced to pay for it. Who exactly said they would rather pay plat for armor than farm it? Who used that as their reasoning? No one. That hasn't been the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errodin Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FrostDragoon said: Most of the objections really read like canned responses from people who didn't even read the OP, but I think my favorite one is people saying that they wouldn't want to farm for armor, but instead be forced to pay for it. No one here has never not read the full suggestion. but it's similar to saying that i made a suggestion for players to be able to craft Platinum out of rare resources like Nitain and Argon ... it's about converting something worth actual money into something you can get for free ... and everyone is saying that it's never going to happen ... WITH examples from past WF experiences. Edited October 30, 2018 by Errodin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikakor Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hahahahaha-Nope. I don't want a look to be more powerful than an other. If the (said set) of cosmetic armor give me better armor, but is ugly as #*!%, no thanks. I don't want to be forced to choose performance over look. Go back to mobile games with this idea xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostDragoon Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, NotDealwithitdog said: Who exactly said they would rather pay plat for armor than farm it? Who used that as their reasoning? No one. That hasn't been the issue here. Calling it pay to win and then saying that people should be refunded if it was farmable sound familiar? lul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisztomaniac Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 il y a 14 minutes, FrostDragoon a dit : They should never have been cosmetics. That's the whole point. what is it with backwards people like you? every current game its doing away with stats on armor for a more fashinable gameplay experience, even wow introduced a way to transumte armors to have looks independent of stats, then comes you 10 years later with an idea thats not only a bad idea, but its actually an old design problem in games that developers are now doing away with, youre not trying to inovate youre trying to go back and its amazing that you keep replying to coments to insist its a good idea when it was actually in game before and it proved to be a bad idea, also every single example you have used ie maiming strike, buying plat for primes etc. makes no sense in this context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerAgentTexas Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, FrostDragoon said: Calling it pay to win and then saying that people should be refunded if it was farmable sound familiar? lul Which is far different than what you're claiming they're saying. If something that was only available through plat is now available for free, it would be unfair to those who bought it when there would be no other way. Now who's the strawman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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