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What to do with PoE and Fortuna (Variation, Events, Missions, Heists)

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Had an idea considering the "outposts" on Fortuna you can capture.

Right now you can capture them to start certain Bountys from there, which is not a bad idea.

I dont know yet if they plan to add something to it, but if this is all, i think it needs something more.

There are 2 ways of adding to it imo.

 

1st possibility: Make it persistent

- if you capture a point, it stays captured forever, even if you leave extract

- you can start the regular 5 Bountys from there aswell so you dont have to go back to the central each time to start over

- this would be some sort of incentive to capture them

- there also should be ammo/health/energy supplies it those outposts then so you might chose to go there real quick if you are close and in need

- In public matches, the host determines wether they are captured or not

- if you are not the host but are in the lobby when it gets captured, it counts as captured for you aswell

- although this maps are called OpenWorlds and advertised as such, i agree with peter that they dont feel much like it. So on those Outposts, different NPC's (with little backstorys) could appear that offer little Missions.

--- The rewards would be things you usually get from something else, for example rare fish. So if you dont like fishing, you could do a task for one of those NPS to get like 5 of the rare fish for example. Or completly the other way around, the NPC wants you to fish and gives you something else for it.

--- Those NPC's and their tasks are constantly changing

--- If you select a task, it could be either that you have to finish it in one session, or it could be tasks like certain riven challenges or the Simaris scanning that you simply accept and then you keep it until its finished. One task for something like that could be "Find a Toroid in a cave"

 

2nd possibility: Make it the start of "something big"

- they are not persistent, so the system stays like it is now

- but capturing those outposts is the condition to start other, more difficult and longer missions

- so all players have to capture all those outposts first

- after that, multiple things could happen:

 

--- it triggers a big boss or multiple bosses you have to fight, like Eidolons for example

--- it triggers massive attacks of the Corpus, and you have to defend those Outposts. So you might get a message like "it seems the Corpus try to get back the Orokin Dig Site, they might arrive in 1 minute", and then you have to go there and defend it. Corpus might send those big spiders along a big army 

--- unique events on the different outposts: On the Orokin Dig Site for example, the portal might open and different enemies might come out of it, we have to push them back and close the portal again

--- other "big missions like "massive extermination": now that we managed to get a few Outposts, we might try to get rid of all Corpus on the plains. We have to take down all the spiders in Orb Vallis alongside most of the enemies. We could be also send to exterminate the huge corpus facilities where those Toroids are farmable right now (no respawning enemies, but hundreds of high lvl enemies are there already waiting for us)

 

Whatever those missions are, they would take a little longer and be a little harder, but make this feel even more like an Open World with "real goals"

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Whatever your ideas or good or bad,I can assure you this won't happen in the next 2 years,DE look more at Reddit than the forums suggestions,which is bad.

 

 

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Special Events with strange modifiers like only Flying enemies or buffed animals? Just say Tactical Alert in PoE/OV. Would totally be a Fan of that, since tacs have become so rare nowadays

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vor 9 Stunden schrieb Bombarder0:

Whatever your ideas or good or bad,I can assure you this won't happen in the next 2 years,DE look more at Reddit than the forums suggestions,which is bad.

Might be true, but i find reddit a confusing mess and dont understand why it has become so popular for stuff like feedback^^

I took my time anyway to make OP more clear in case someone stumbles across it.

At least @[DE]Marcus made this post in General on how to provide good feedback, so i guess there might be a small chance someone is checking this forum every now and then.

 

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Eisdschungel:

Just say Tactical Alert in PoE/OV. Would totally be a Fan of that, since tacs have become so rare nowadays

I didnt really get to experience much of those, but sure, everything is welcome at some point.

 

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Here are some ideas for Bounty Missions which could be also used as random Missions for NPC's, i took inspiration from normal gamemodes in Warframe and the Railjack trailer.

 

Hijack a corpus/grineer ship:

- both OpenWorlds have the flying ships, and we have to Hijack them and bring them to extraction in 2 stages

1st stage:

- Eliminate all targets that are on the Dropship - try not to damage the ship itself! If you damage it, the mission will be harder afterwards

2nd stage:

- Get on the ship just like in a regular Hijack-mission and power it with shields to make it move towards extraction

- while doing so, both flying units and ground units are trying to destroy it to prevent it from being extracted, so you might have to fight on 2 fronts

- possible Bonus: No dmg on health taken

 

Rescue a target:

- it works like a regular rescue, but with a few twists

- the target is in a Prison cell either in caves (in fortuna we got caves will little "puzzles" like the one where the water is under electricity) or in one of the huge facilities

- the twist is: The console that needs to be hacked is not near the prisoner, but somewhere else, so the team has to split up

- both the prisoner and the console is heavily defended by enemies

- when the one team is ready to guard the prisoner, the other team has to hack the console (if they do it too early, the prisoner might get killed by the enemies)

 

after that, there are 2 possible ways for the mission to continue:

a) both teams can meet and guard the prisoner together just like in a regular rescue mission

b) the prisoner has some sort of electronic chain attached to him, so the "hacking team" has to continue to defend the console or the chain gets activated again

if they fail to defend it, the prisoner cant move until the console is hacked again

 

Assault - plant a bomb:

- this mission will work like the Assault mission on the kuva fortress

1st stage:

- we have to pick up a bomb and bring it to one of the huge facilities/bridges/caves

- their might be some bombcarrier-mechanic involved just like in the "Law of Retribution"-Raid

 

2nd stage:

- plant the bomb and defend it

- the location where the bomb has to be planted can make this mission a lot more interesting, so for example: We got really tall buildings in Orb Vallis, and the bomb gets planted somewhere halfway up some of these huge structures or completly on top. This means that some players might actually need to be fighting in Archwings to properly defend the bomb because enemys are also flying up there (Dargyns, enemies on dropships, typical Archwing-mission enemies)

 

possible twist:

- we have to plant 2  bombs at the same time and defend them at the same, so the players have to split up a little again and defend different spots

- or: only one bomb, but it needs to get armed via a console that is located somewhere else. the result is the same, the team has to split up, 2 players defend and 2 players search the console and fight there to be able to hack it and arm the bomb.

 

Defend an Outpost (infested salvage and/or Railjack type elements involved:

- when you capture one of the outposts, this could lead to a certain bounty type that basically is a defense mission, but again, with twists

- after starting the new bounty, the Corpus want to get the Outpost back, so you have to defend one "high priority defense target" and several "low priority targets"

a) the "high priority target" is a target just like in any other defense mission with standard HP and shields

b) the "low priority targets" are not always active, but the enemies can set certain objects on fire

if that happens, you either have to extinguish them like seen in the Railjack trailer

or you have to bring a ressource like the Antiserum-charges  known from the infested salvage gamemode to those hot-spots to isolate them and prevent further damage

that means enemies will drop this ressource, and you have to keep the "isolation" active for a small amount of time (like keeping the bubble in infested salvage)

This would be a great bonus reward for a defense mission: "no low priority target got destroyed"

 

 

As you might have noticed, all these mission types focus on adding more diverse gameplay because there are different tasks the players have to do at the same time.

In a normal defense for example, you can have a frost defend it with his globe while the 3 other people do whatever they want, but in this case, something might always happen that needs the team to coordinate their actions and gives everyone something "meaningful" to do. At the same time, its not too complicated, so you dont have to be in Discord/Teamspeak to talk about everything - paying attention to what the other players do is already enough to coordinate your team.

 

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On 2018-11-07 at 11:22 PM, DreisterDino said:

2nd possibility: Make it the start of "something big"

- they are not persistent, so the system stays like it is now

- but capturing those outposts is the condition to start other, more difficult and longer missions

- so all players have to capture all those outposts first

- after that, multiple things could happen:

 

--- it triggers a big boss or multiple bosses you have to fight, like Eidolons for example

--- it triggers massive attacks of the Corpus, and you have to defend those Outposts. So you might get a message like "it seems the Corpus try to get back the Orokin Dig Site, they might arrive in 1 minute", and then you have to go there and defend it. Corpus might send those big spiders along a big army 

--- unique events on the different outposts: On the Orokin Dig Site for example, the portal might open and different enemies might come out of it, we have to push them back and close the portal again

--- other "big missions like "massive extermination": now that we managed to get a few Outposts, we might try to get rid of all Corpus on the plains. We have to take down all the spiders in Orb Vallis alongside most of the enemies. We could be also send to exterminate the huge corpus facilities where those Toroids are farmable right now (no respawning enemies, but hundreds of high lvl enemies are there already waiting for us)

Really like this one!. This is actually kinda similar with guild wars 2's silvervain meta event. we capture and defend bases and then it leads to a boss fight!

On 2018-11-07 at 11:22 PM, DreisterDino said:

--- the Corpus attack an Outpost to get it under their control again

--- the player has a certain timeframe to defeat that attack and keep the outpost under his control (and gets a reward for it like in any other alert)

--- if he ignores the attack, he will lose control over the outpost again 

oh and this too. i actually suggested it on my feedback post too. Corpus trying to recapture the base make the world so much alive because it's not just we doing stuff to them, but they also react to our action. Make it like incursions, but instead of doing bounty mission, we defending the base we captured.

On another note, I think the "make enemy react to our action" thing is kinda important. Mostly in Warframe, players are the one  that always engage things. We infiltrate their buildings to steal info, we blow their moas and drones, we still their supplies, etc. Enemies rarely (or never) act against us. It's an issue that more often than not is overlook and open world might be the right place to start fixing it.

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23 hours ago, DreisterDino said:

Hijack a corpus/grineer ship:

- both OpenWorlds have the flying ships, and we have to Hijack them and bring them to extraction in 2 stages

1st stage:

- Eliminate all targets that are on the Dropship - try not to damage the ship itself! If you damage it, the mission will be harder afterwards

2nd stage:

- Get on the ship just like in a regular Hijack-mission and power it with shields to make it move towards extraction

- while doing so, both flying units and ground units are trying to destroy it to prevent it from being extracted, so you might have to fight on 2 fronts

- possible Bonus: No dmg on health taken

 

Rescue a target:

- it works like a regular rescue, but with a few twists

- the target is in a Prison cell either in caves (in fortuna we got caves will little "puzzles" like the one where the water is under electricity) or in one of the huge facilities

- the twist is: The console that needs to be hacked is not near the prisoner, but somewhere else, so the team has to split up

- both the prisoner and the console is heavily defended by enemies

- when the one team is ready to guard the prisoner, the other team has to hack the console (if they do it too early, the prisoner might get killed by the enemies)

 

after that, there are 2 possible ways for the mission to continue:

a) both teams can meet and guard the prisoner together just like in a regular rescue mission

b) the prisoner has some sort of electronic chain attached to him, so the "hacking team" has to continue to defend the console or the chain gets activated again

if they fail to defend it, the prisoner cant move until the console is hacked again

 

Assault - plant a bomb:

- this mission will work like the Assault mission on the kuva fortress

1st stage:

- we have to pick up a bomb and bring it to one of the huge facilities/bridges/caves

- their might be some bombcarrier-mechanic involved just like in the "Law of Retribution"-Raid

 

2nd stage:

- plant the bomb and defend it

- the location where the bomb has to be planted can make this mission a lot more interesting, so for example: We got really tall buildings in Orb Vallis, and the bomb gets planted somewhere halfway up some of these huge structures or completly on top. This means that some players might actually need to be fighting in Archwings to properly defend the bomb because enemys are also flying up there (Dargyns, enemies on dropships, typical Archwing-mission enemies)

 

possible twist:

- we have to plant 2  bombs at the same time and defend them at the same, so the players have to split up a little again and defend different spots

- or: only one bomb, but it needs to get armed via a console that is located somewhere else. the result is the same, the team has to split up, 2 players defend and 2 players search the console and fight there to be able to hack it and arm the bomb.

Hmm. I think this is too complicated for a 'simple bounty' missions. That being said it's suitable for something like 'dungeon equivalent' mission like strike from destiny 2. Not a raid, lesser than a raid, but more than just a simple mission, where there are multiple complicated missions in 1 mission (do I make sense here? lol)

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Am 29.11.2018 um 15:29 schrieb kingvaldemir:

Hmm. I think this is too complicated for a 'simple bounty' missions. That being said it's suitable for something like 'dungeon equivalent' mission like strike from destiny 2. Not a raid, lesser than a raid, but more than just a simple mission, where there are multiple complicated missions in 1 mission (do I make sense here? lol)

Might be true, dunno. I think its still fine, but who knows what players that dont play that often think about stuff like that.

Anyway, if its too complicated for normal bounties, those could be missions you pick up on the captured outposts.

So if its too complicated/annoying for you, you can ignore them and just do the regular bounties,

if you like some sort of coop-gameplay, you can go capture an outpost and do those bounties instead.

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Now that the Heists are introduced, i feel like adding something here,

and i would be really interested if you agree or disagree with how i feel about the current state of the heists and "my vision" of the Heists.

 

The Problems with Heists:

  • i think dividing the Heist into 4 different Bounty-like missions isnt a good approach for a Heist due to the following reasons:
  • no real feeling of progression/climax (we either grind the first 3 phases for ressources or do the fight seperatly after the first time)
  • weak co-op mechanics (the only co-op-like interaction takes part in one phase where we have to split up and press 2 buttons at the same time)
  • boring tasks that dont fit the theme of a heist that leads to a massive boss-fight (fishing in a Heist?)

 

General thoughts on the Design of the Heist:

  • it is one mission only, but the length is around 20 to 30 minutes for one complete heist
  • the heist consists out of 3 stages (capture an outpost - follow-up mission - bossfight)
  • this should ensure that there is a feeling of progression each time you play it
  • also, this way we dont have to leave Orb Vallis after each succesful phase which is interrupting the flow of the Heist (especially when a phase might only take 2 minutes to complete, it doesnt feel "meaningful" when you go in - rush to some point to kill 3 guys - rush to extract again)
  • get rid of "filler"-missions like fishing and so on, sure - people might like fishing or conservation, but in a heist? it doesnt belong here

 

Stage 1 - Capture an Outpost:

  • basically this will be the mission that is currently in Phase 1 of the Heist
  • we have to capture one of the outposts in Orb Vallis and defend it for some time against heavy attacks
  • this might be combined with the current phase 2 of the Heists - the datamass we need for a Outpost drops from one of those "VIP"-targets that we have to find first
  • for the 1st Orb we need to capture 1 random outpost, for the 2nd Orb we need to capture 2 random outposts and so on
  • this means, the more outposts we capture, the stronger the Boss gets (like the Eidolons get stronger and more difficult to fight)
  • also, we have some sort of choice on where to fight the Orb, it might appear close to the Outpost we have captured

 

Stage 2 - follow-up mission:

  • this will be the stage in which we have to do a mission that involves some co-op mechanics
  • in my previous post (or Point 4 in the OP), i posted ideas on how basic warframe missions can be enhanced with some co-op mechanics
  • all those co-op missions should provide some fun gameplay for each player
  • they shouldnt be too complicated, its enough to watch your teammates to notice which tasks you have to do.
  • considering storytelling - this is the mission that will trigger the Corpus to send one of the Orbs because we have proven that we are a real threat

 

Check this spoiler to see possible missions with some co-op mechanics:

Spoiler

Hijack a corpus/grineer ship:

 

- both OpenWorlds have the flying ships, and we have to Hijack them and bring them to extraction in 2 stages

1st stage:

- Eliminate all targets that are on the Dropship - try not to damage the ship itself! If you damage it, the mission will be harder afterwards

2nd stage:

- Get on the ship just like in a regular Hijack-mission and power it with shields to make it move towards extraction

- while doing so, both flying units and ground units are trying to destroy it to prevent it from being extracted, so you might have to fight on 2 fronts

- possible Bonus: No dmg on health taken

 

Rescue a target:

- it works like a regular rescue, but with a few twists

- the target is in a Prison cell either in caves (in fortuna we got caves will little "puzzles" like the one where the water is under electricity) or in one of the huge facilities

- the twist is: The console that needs to be hacked is not near the prisoner, but somewhere else, so the team has to split up

- both the prisoner and the console is heavily defended by enemies

- when the one team is ready to guard the prisoner, the other team has to hack the console (if they do it too early, the prisoner might get killed by the enemies)

 

after that, there are 2 possible ways for the mission to continue:

a) both teams can meet and guard the prisoner together just like in a regular rescue mission

b) the prisoner has some sort of electronic chain attached to him, so the "hacking team" has to continue to defend the console or the chain gets activated again

if they fail to defend it, the prisoner cant move until the console is hacked again

 

Assault - plant a bomb:

- this mission will work like the Assault mission on the kuva fortress

1st stage:

- we have to pick up a bomb and bring it to one of the huge facilities/bridges/caves

- their might be some bombcarrier-mechanic involved just like in the "Law of Retribution"-Raid

 

2nd stage:

- plant the bomb and defend it

- the location where the bomb has to be planted can make this mission a lot more interesting, so for example: We got really tall buildings in Orb Vallis, and the bomb gets planted somewhere halfway up some of these huge structures or completly on top. This means that some players might actually need to be fighting in Archwings to properly defend the bomb because enemys are also flying up there (Dargyns, enemies on dropships, typical Archwing-mission enemies)

 

possible twist:

- we have to plant 2  bombs at the same time and defend them at the same, so the players have to split up a little again and defend different spots

- or: only one bomb, but it needs to get armed via a console that is located somewhere else. the result is the same, the team has to split up, 2 players defend and 2 players search the console and fight there to be able to hack it and arm the bomb.

 

Defend an Outpost (infested salvage and/or Railjack type elements involved:

- when you capture one of the outposts, this could lead to a certain bounty type that basically is a defense mission, but again, with twists

- after starting the new bounty, the Corpus want to get the Outpost back, so you have to defend one "high priority defense target" and several "low priority targets"

a) the "high priority target" is a target just like in any other defense mission with standard HP and shields

b) the "low priority targets" are not always active, but the enemies can set certain objects on fire

if that happens, you either have to extinguish them like seen in the Railjack trailer

or you have to bring a ressource like the Antiserum-charges  known from the infested salvage gamemode to those hot-spots to isolate them and prevent further damage

that means enemies will drop this ressource, and you have to keep the "isolation" active for a small amount of time (like keeping the bubble in infested salvage)

This would be a great bonus reward for a defense mission: "no low priority target got destroyed"

 

  • possibility 1) each time we start a Heist, this Mission will be chosen random from the pool of available missions
  • this might be good if we want some variety each time we play the mission

 

  • possibility 2) each mission type belongs to one of the Orb fights (Assault for the first Orb, Rescue for the second Orb and so on)
  • this might be good if we prefer a clear structure in each of the Heists

 

Stage 3 - the boss fight:

  • after we succesfully did the previous tasks, it is time for the boss fight
  • not much to say here, it's simply the bossfight from phase 4
  • i might add thoughts on the bossfight itself later though

 

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Had an idea for a new mission type, called time attack - extermination

 

General idea:

  • its a mission you can pick up just like you can start K-Drive races in Orb Vallis
  • you have to kill a certain number of enemies as fast as possible (3 versions: short=100 enemies ; moderate=250 enemies ; long=500 enemies)
  • short missions might take place only in one spot like a big cave while longer missions make you travel to different locations
  • those locations are marked with a yellow zone so you have a basic idea on where to find the enemies
  • You can finish the mission in 3 different ratings: gold-silver-bronze (gold is really fast, bronze is really slow)
  • you can play them solo or in a group, the number of players determines how fast you have to be to get a certain rating
  • your rating determines the possible rewards
  • the missions will show leaderbords just like K-Drive races do

 

Gameplay:

  • the player picks the mission he wants to play in the OpenWorlds (both OV and PoE)
  • the enemies spawn and all locations where enemies will spawn will be marked
  • You have to kill with primary/secondary weapons, Warframe-abilities might be deactivated
  • Headshots might give you a bonus on your final time
  • killing while parcouring (wall latching, aim gliding etc) also might give you a bonus
  • the spawn-locations of the enemies in each mission are always the same, so you can try to learn patterns and the fastest routes
  • enemy lvl should be moderate, so around lvl 50 for example
  • there might be special missions with weapon-modifiers like in Sorties (Bow only, Sniper only, etc)

 

Rewards:

  • you always get standing (so if you are sick of doing bounties/conservation, this is an alternative way to farm standing)
  • on top, you get 1 reward from ABC-rotations, while the rotations are matching your rating, so A=slow ; C=fast)
  • those rewards could be the usual stuff we get from the other (Heist-)Bounties
  • a place on the leaderboard if you perform great and care about that

 

Possible Variations:

  • Archwing only (you have to kill from your Archwing)
  • K-Drive only (yes, this would mean we shall be allowed to use guns on our K-Drives^^ - but i think this would be really fun!)
  • only low-level enemies (might be fun if weapons doesnt matter at all and your movement and spotting abilities determine the result alone)
  • only high-level enemies (the opposite, enemies are a real threat and you have to be careful)
  • all kinds of weapon-restrictions on certain missions like Sniper-only, launcher-only etc
  • no revives in mission with strong enemies for example

 

Conclusion:

  • the gamemode should provide some quick fun
  • it both serves the purpose of giving you another option to just grind for stuff but also a mission you can try to master
  • this gamemode focusses alot on mobility and movement - one of the best and most unique features of warframe
  • it might be interesting for both solo and party-players
  • and it might also provide fitting missions for all kinds of players (new players, casuals, vets), because you can place many different versions in the OpenWorlds
  • it might feel a bit like a "shooting range", a mission that will help you get better at using your guns
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